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SCO Tells the DE Judge a Story -- The July 6 Letter
Sunday, July 11 2004 @ 04:16 PM EDT

And to finish out our collection of Ret Hat letters, here is SCO's letter for July. They sent this on July 6, the very same day Red Hat sent their quarterly sum-up of the status of the IBM lawsuit. Here is what Red Hat told the judge about what has been going on there:

"1. SCO Group, Inc. v. International Business Machines Corp.

"In March 2003, SCO filed a Complaint against IBM asserting breach of contract and various state law claims arising out of IBM's alleged misappropriation of SCO's purported confidential information for use in the Linux operating system. Although SCO did not assert copyright infringement against IBM at that time, it subsequently amended its Complaint to add such a claim. On March 29, 2004, IBM amended its counterclaims against SCO seeking, inter alia, a declaratory judgment that IBM is not infringing any of SCO's copyrights through its use, reproduction and improvement of Linux and that SCO's asserted copyrights are invalid and unenforceable.

"On April 23, 2004, SCO filed a Motion to Dismiss or Stay IBM's counterclaim. In its June 17 letter to this Court, SCO claimed that it 'continues to believe that IBM's violations of its license obligations and U.S. copyright law through its improper contributions of SCO's intellectual property to Linux -- the issues that SCO's complaint in Utah presents -- are of paramount importance and will continue to dominate.' (6/17/04 Letter at 2). To the Court in Utah however, SCO asserted in its Motion that the 'primary' claims asserted against IBM are its 'breach of contract and other direct claims.' (Mem. in Support of Mot. to Dismiss at 2.) SCO further asserted that '[t]he only copyright claim SCO has asserted against IBM is primarily for IBM's continuing use of AIX and DYNIX after SCO terminated IBM's UNIX licenses . . . . The Second Amended Complaint does not contain a claim against IBM for copyright infringement arising out of its use, reproduction or improvement of Linux.' (Id. at 3 (emphasis added).)

"IBM opposed SCO's Motion to Dismiss, and has filed a Cross-Motion for Partial Summary Judgment on Its Claim for Declaratory Judgment of Non-Infringement. The primary basis for IBM's motion is that, after more than a year of litigation, two orders to compel, and affidavits from SCO certifying its compliance with discovery, SCO has yet to identify the necessary link between the parts of Linux that SCO claims infringe its copyrights and the specific UNIX code over which it claims copyright protection. Oral argument on IBM's motion is scheduled for August 4, 2004."

SCO tells a very different story. It doesn't even mention their copyright switcheroo.

To hear them tell it, what's been happening is IBM has been "steadfastly resisting" providing the "complete production" of AIX and Dynix that SCO is seeking. This is likely so she won't decide to open up the Red Hat case because of all the delay.

What they also don't tell the judge is that getting every version of AIX and Dynix since the founding of the world was not what the judge granted SCO in her order. IBM was told to provide what they had offered at the hearing to provide. Now SCO is asking for more. SCO on May 28 filed a request for more code. IBM hasn't yet been ordered to turn over that additional code. To read SCO's letter, you'd get a very different impression, that IBM is resisting compliance with a judge's order. Here are the documents SCO's letter refers to so you can verify:

*************************************

Morris, Nichols, Arsht & Tunnell
[letterhead] July 6, 2004

Jack B. Blumenfeld
[address, phone, fax, email]

BY HAND

The Honorable Sue L. Robinson
United States District Court
[address]

Re: Red Hat, Inc. v. The SCO Group, Inc.: C.A. No. 03-772-SLR

Dear Chief Judge Robinson:

SCO, as directed by this Court's April 6, 2004 Order, provides this summary of the status of the SCO v. IBM case pending before The Honorable Dale A. Kimball in the United States District Court for the District of Utah.

On June 10, 2004, Judge Kimball entered an Order granting SCO's Motion to Amend the Scheduling Order. Under the revised Scheduling Order, discovery will continue until March 25, 2005, with the trial scheduled to start during the five-week jury trial calendar beginning November 1, 2005.

In addition, before this Court entered its April 6 Order, IBM had filed a Second Amended Counterclaim (served on March 29, 2004) in which it dismissed one of its patent counterclaims and added other claims. One of the added counterclaims was IBM's effort to seek a declaration that IBM's use and reproduction of Linux does not infringe SCO's copyrights. Specifically, IBM seeks a declaration that "IBM does not infringe, induce the infringement of, or contribute to the infringement of any SCO copyright through its Linux activities, including its use, reproduction and improvement of any SCO copyright through its Linux activities, including its use, reproduction and improvement of Linux, and that some or all of SCO's purported copyrights in UNIX are invalid and unenforceable." Counterclaim-Plaintiff IBM's Second Amended Counterclaims Against SCO at Paragraph 173 (Tenth Counterclaim). SCO answered all counts of the Second Amended Counterclaim except for Count Ten on April 23, 2004. IBM and SCO filed the following Motions directed to Count Ten since April 6, 2004:

1. Defendant/Counter-Plaintiff IBM's Cross-Motion for Partial Summary Judgment on Its Claim for Declaratory Judgment of Non-Infringement; and

2. SCO's Motion to Dismiss or to Stay Count Ten of IBM's Second Amended Counterclaim.[1]

Both of these motions are scheduled for hearing on August 4, 2004.

In addition to these substantive motions, there has been extensive motion practice regarding needed discovery. Specifically, on May 28, 2004, SCO filed a memorandum pursuant to the procedure the Magistrate Judge outlined in her order requiring IBM to produce certain versions of its AIX and Dynix code. SCO has sought complete production of this code and IBM has steadfastly resisted providing it. This matter is currently scheduled to be fully briefed on or before July 12, 2004.

Respectfully,

____[signature}____
Jack B. Blumenfeld

JBB/bls

cc: Peter T. Dalleo, Clerk (By Hand)
Josy W. Ingersoll, Esquire (By Hand)
William F. Lee, Esquire (By Fax)
Mark J. Heise, Esquire (By Fax)

[1] SCO previously described this motion to the Court in its Opposition to Red Hat's Motion for Reconsideration, dated June 4, 2004 (D.I. 39).


  


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Authored by: Weeble on Sunday, July 11 2004 @ 05:19 PM EDT
So PJ can find 'em easily.

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URLs, References, etc. Go HERE
Authored by: Weeble on Sunday, July 11 2004 @ 05:21 PM EDT
So all of us can find 'em.

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Off-Topic Stuff, Pun Threads, Trolls and Astroturfing Goes HERE
Authored by: Weeble on Sunday, July 11 2004 @ 05:23 PM EDT
So those who aren't interested can avoid 'em.

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SCO gets dangerously honest?
Authored by: Kelledin on Sunday, July 11 2004 @ 05:23 PM EDT

Hmmm...it looks like SCO slipped up and admitted that those "substantially similar issues" being brought up in the IBM case are the targets of SCO's frantic pleading for dismissal. I don't see that helping SCO maintain the DE stay...

Time to cough up that mountain of evidence, Darl!

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<Lionel Hutz> I'll be defending...The SCO Group!!!??? Even if I lose, I'll be famous!

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SCO Tells the DE Judge a Story -- The July 6 Letter
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, July 11 2004 @ 06:36 PM EDT
Good job PJ -- presenting right a top all the information the DE judge needs to
verify SCO has presented her with false and misleading information.

Hopefully, she reads Groklaw.

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RedHats Response Questions
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, July 11 2004 @ 08:11 PM EDT
Does RedHat get to respond to these quartely updates?

For example to tell the judge of the new scheduling order delaying resolution,
or the point out that SCO has asked to delay ruling on summary judgment and
seeks additional discovery?

I wonder if RedHat should file these updates complete with attachments and all
of the filings by IBM, to allow the judge to review the facts?

Maybe the judge will get annoyed?

Maybe IBM could write the updates for RedHat?

Can RedHat appeal the stay, since it will be more than a year until the issues
are resolved if allowed to go to trial?

Can RedHat appeal the stay and ask anothe judge be assigned or make a motion to
move the case to Utah, where SCOG is located and where the other case is being
heard.

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Attempt to pervert the course of justice
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, July 11 2004 @ 10:26 PM EDT
Is it possible that this kind of lying by lawyers between cases could end up
with them being charged with attempt to perverse the course of justice? (uk
offence , not sure of the us equivilent) Couple of jailings would do loads to
prod thewm into being honest to everyone.

martin

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asking for MORE discovery?
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, July 12 2004 @ 06:06 AM EDT
Pardon me, but is it not strange that the PLAINTIFF, after obtaining the
evidence ruled necessary, is asking for MORE discovery?

I would think if you go and sue someone you would at least have *some* evidence
to back it up! And now they're asking for more fishing. This defies all logic...

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SCO Tells the DE Judge a Story -- The July 6 Letter
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, July 12 2004 @ 09:17 AM EDT
A great letter telling the judge they are proceeding as fast as possible and
that IBM is holding things up, but it's all set for hearings so there's no need
to get worried.

This is quite a shell game SCO is playing with the different courts, it's really
going to blow up in their face if AutoZone proceeds or if IBM gets even a
partial declatory judgement (which I think they may on the use of linux issue,
since it "isn't the heart of the case" anyway).

I guess SCO would prefer not to argue how the IBM case has shifted and changed
in memos to the court, rather do it in a hearing when/if it's called to review
the matter. They already know essentially what RedHat will/is sending the judge
and it doesn't seem to worry them at all. Either they just are too busy to think
about it until they have, there will be some other positive resolution before
they have to deal with RedHat, or they know they are dead meat and are just
dragging things as long as possible so they can keep dealing the FUD laiden
court memos...

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SCO Tells the DE Judge a Story -- The July 6 Letter
Authored by: s21mag on Monday, July 12 2004 @ 10:07 AM EDT
Interesting phrasing here:

"SCO filed a memorandum pursuant to the procedure the Magistrate Judge
outlined in her order requiring IBM to produce certain versions of its AIX and
Dynix code."

What they are making it sound like is that IBM still hasn't produced the code
and SCO has ahd to file a memorandum.
However upon closer review, they are actually saying that they filed a
memorandum according to the proceedure that had been outlined. Technically they
are not stating nor implying that IBM has failed to produced the required
AIX/Dynix code, but they have chosen a wonderful way of making a true statement
which will allow that conclusion to be inferred.


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L. W. Yost


Luck is when preparation meets opportunity.

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  • There's more... - Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, July 12 2004 @ 10:28 AM EDT
Groklaw Brief
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, July 12 2004 @ 01:37 PM EDT
Hello, I happened to think of something as I was reading this. I think in US
courts, interested parties, that aren't actually parties to the case, can file a
statement with the court in an attempt to further educate the court about some
aspect of the case? I think it is called an "Amicus Brief" maybe?

Anyhow, would it be worthwhile for Groklaw to prepare an Amicus Brief(?) and
submit it to the different courts, showing the inter-relationships of the
trials, and the inconsistent statements that SCOG has made to the different
courts?

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Organized communication for companies defending themselves against SCO?
Authored by: lachoneus on Monday, July 12 2004 @ 03:34 PM EDT
I'm assuming there has been a good deal of communication between the companies
with whom SCO is currently engaged in litigation.

However, I am not sure if these companies have organized their communication and
efforts specifically for the purpose of bringing SCO's actions and
contradictions to light in the various courtrooms now occupied by the SCO
nonsense.

If this question has already been addressed here on Groklaw, can someone point
me in the right direction? Does anyone know of such a conference?

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