The witnesses on the stand on August 6 were Justin Denison, identified by the PDF on page 13 as having been called to the stand by Apple as an adverse witness, being a Samsung representative. Here's what adverse witness means, so you'll understand what come across as rather hostile questioning by Apple's lawyer, William Lee, on the day before. You are allowed to examine someone on the stand by different rules if he or she is designated as an adverse witness. For example, you can ask leading questions, so if you see examples of that, it's not breaking any rules.
Denison was asked questions this day by John Quinn of Quinn Emanuel for Samsung, then recross-examined by William Lee for Apple, and then redirect by Mr. Quinn. Mr. Denison was continuing his testimony from the day before. On page 236 of that day's PDF, he is identified as Samsung's Chief Strategy Officer, working out of Samsung Telecommunication America's Texas headquarters, the Samsung entity that sells mobile phones and tablets in the US. There is a parent, Samsung Electronics America, located in New Jersey, and then there is the South Korean uber-parent, Samsung Electronics Corporation. He explains all the entities on page 237 of that day's transcript with a few more details about four California divisions on page 42 of day 4's transcript [PDF].
He was deposed in September of 2011 as the company representative for Samsung, all three branches, and so if you see references to that, you'll understand. That means he was the 30(b)(6) witness, if you recall what that means from earlier coverage. If not, here's what that is, essentially a representative of the company presumed to have taken the time to know about the issues at play in the litigation and able to testify about them. As the article points out, that can be a huge challenge in the digital age.
One interesting point from Mr. Denison's testimony is that on page 39 of the PDF he says that around 25 or 26% of Apple's iPhone is actually supplied from Samsung. Specifically, Samsung supplied the applications processor, which he describes as being like the main processor of your computer, the CPU, or the brain. Later, Apple's Mr. Lee brings out that it is Apple that provides the design parameters , however. That's on page 50.
And another interesting point is that he describes, in the context of the description by a Samsung executive of the difference between the iPhone and Samsung's then-products as being like heaven and hell, that the company DNA is to speak with such hyperbole, to reflect a humble and self-critical attitude so as to create a sense of urgency "to really drive hard work and change and innovation so that it never, you know, rests on its laurel and becomes complacent, let's say." That's on page 40. But the funny part is, and this is the first I've seen it, is the executive specified the Samsung Omnia, and Quinn brings out on page 67 that the operating system on the Omnia was Windows, not Android. I know. Funny.
Then on page 42, Denison is asked if there are features that Samsung had introduced before Apple, and he lists voice recognition, advanced screen technology, super amoled, "the first cloud-based music -- or cloud-based video service in the U.S." He is asked if Samsung was "outraged" when Apple later did the same things or similar things, and he says no. Quinn then asks him this question:
Then next it was Peter Bressler on the stand, with Rachel Krevans of Morrison & Foerster handling direct examination for Apple, and Charles Verhoeven of Quinn Emanuel doing cross examination for Samsung. This is still Apple putting on its case. Bressler is an industrial designer who owns about 70 patents, half of them design patents. He's here as an Apple expert witness. And his testimony is that some Samsung phones and two tablets infringe Apple's design patents. (The jury later didn't agree with him in all particulars, but that's his testimony. As he said, users view things differently than experts.)
The next day, August 7, Mr. Bressler took the stand again for redirect examination by Rachel Krevans of Morrison & Foerster for Apple and then recross by Charles Verhoeven of Quinn Emanuel for Samsung and then further redirect by Ms. Krevans.
But before that happens, we see the issue about the graphics presented by Apple not matching the phones. It's complicated by an earlier ruling by the magistrate judge, the Hon. Paul Grewal, that Samsung couldn't use certain evidence to cross examine Apple's witnesses because he ruled Samsung was late providing source code. Here's how that goes, beginning in the context of source code from Android that Samsung wants to use to impeach an upcoming Apple expert, Dr. Balakrishnan, and if it all doesn't sound fair to you, all I can say is it doesn't sound fair to me either:
MR. JOHNSON: We have. That takes me to a different point, Your Honor. Yesterday we saw some issues on the stand with some of the witnesses testifying about the home screen versus the application screen, and it became apparent, when a joint exhibit was put in front of the witness, which the joint exhibit which has remained in apple's custody, the parties have split up the
exhibit and Apple takes home Samsung products that are joint exhibits, that there's a difference between the joint exhibit that was put in front of the witness and the exhibit -- and basically the phones as they appear out of the box. And I just want to show Your Honor -- Isn't that bizarre? There are important differences and no one can explain it, and they just move on, with no one knowing the why of it. This is, you'll recall, a trial not only about patents but also about design patents and trade dress. So how a phone looks is precisely what is at issue. When the media reported this event, I wrote that I was sure that Michael Jacobs would never tamper with any evidence, and the judge felt that way too. But I suspect Jacobs hit on the explanation without perhaps realizing it. He mentions that while they didn't tamper with anything, they did use the phones. And what no one there realized is that when you first turn on the phone, it connects to the Internet, and changes are at that time possible, probable, maybe certain.
THE COURT: Are you talking about 2019,
MR. JOHNSON: If we can put up --
THE COURT: Hold it. Let's do one at a time because otherwise I'm going to get confused.
What does Apple want to say on the Android source code? Anything?
MR. JACOBS: I don't think they've answered the court's question. The issue here is whether -- whether the source code that they have produced and intend to use in cross-examining Dr. Balakrishnan is within the scope of Judge Grewal's order allowing them to do that kind of -- to use any kind of source code for any kind of purpose, and I still don't think they've answered that question.
What they've said is that he relies on 078 four versions of source code but is accusing 21 products. That's exactly Your Honor's point.
He will say that he reviewed all of the source code that Samsung produced, and he will testify to the court, and he will testify to the source code analysis of the source code that Samsung produced, and he will say that as between those versions that they produced, nothing impacted his infringement analysis. it was all materially the same.
So they haven't answered the question, why is this source code being used to cross-examine Dr. Balakrishnan?
MR. JOHNSON: And we have a difference of opinion in that respect. The source code, even the source code that Dr. Balakrishnan relies upon, PX 31, exhibits non-infringement behavior and it's not the design around. It's the hold still. And they know about this issue. It's a non-infringement theory.
THE COURT: Well, you can cross him on that.
MR. JOHNSON: And I intend to cross him on that.
THE COURT: Absolutely. I expect you to.
MR. JOHNSON: From my standpoint, he still hasn't done the proper analysis of
establishing that each version of the phone, taking the Captivate as an example, infringes.
Now, he's going to get up there and say that he thinks all of them operate the same way, and I should be entitled to cross him on the fact that it doesn't, and it has nothing to do with the fact that there's a design around for blue glow or anything else. It's not that point. It's the fact that some of the earlier --
THE COURT: Are all of -- go ahead. These are earlier products source code or subsequent?
MR. JOHNSON: No. They're -- sometimes it depends on the version. Sometimes it's earlier. Sometimes it's subsequent. It was all produced by December 30th. I don't intend on asking him anything other than --
THE COURT: No, it was not produced before December 30th. That is factually incorrect. You produced some before December 30th, but you did not produce all.
MR. JOHNSON: The source code that I intend to ask him about was produced before December 30th.
THE COURT: My ruling is not going to change on that. It's overruled.
MR. JACOBS: The same means sustained?
THE COURT: What?
MR. JACOBS: You're sustaining the objection. Correct? I think you just said --
THE COURT: No. Samsung objects to plaintiff's Demonstrative 27 on the basis that the phones allegedly infringe the '381 without specifying which version of Android phones that
are used. I don't know what exhibit you're referring to.
MR. JACOBS: I'm sorry. Thank you, Your Honor.....
MR. JOHNSON: Let me show you what's going on. If we could put up 3921.
What we have here, Your Honor, is an image from Apple's opening statement slide A, which is the iPhone and it shows the icon layout.
And what we have in the middle is joint exhibit 1034. And we went over last night, after there was some issues about the joint exhibits and what was -- what we were seeing on the stand, and we took some photographs of the home screen just to compare.
And we noticed differences between JX 1034, which has been in Apple's possession, and --
THE COURT: And what is JX 1034? Is that the actual phone? Or is that the photo of the home screen?
MR. JOHNSON: It's the actual -- it's a photo of the actual phone that was taken last night.
THE COURT: Okay.
MR. JOHNSON: And what we see on the right-hand side is an EPIC 4G that comes right out of the box, and I've got it right here. The seal was broken and taken out.
And what we see is there are differences between the home screens, and we see that the JX 1034, the images, the icons are different from what comes out -- as the product comes right out of the box.
And you'll see on the left-hand side the iPhone, the images obviously have three rows and have this one dangling down below of settings, and then it says phone, and you see here it says phone and you see here it says mail on the iphone, messaging over on JX 1034, Safari, when is the web browser.
THE COURT: So, wait. Are you saying that JX 1034 is a photo of the EPIC 4G Touch?
MR. JOHNSON: Yes, I am, and it's the joint exhibit that Apple's kept, and I don't know why there are differences. We don't know why there are differences. but there are differences between what's? JX 1034 and --
THE COURT: Well, what's the date of manufacture and the date of release of these two? There must be multiple versions and multiple releases. Why don't we just do a comparison.
MR. JOHNSON: We can.
THE COURT: Huh?
MR. JOHNSON: We can do that. But the point is there are differences, and we'd like to understand what those differences are and why there are differences, because they're not how we're seeing them as they come out of the box, and the jury's entitled to see them as they come out of the box because the layout of the image and the icons here is obviously very important, and that's the issue --
THE COURT: So what's your allegation? That Apple somehow changed the home screen on the joint exhibit Epic 4G Touch?
MR. JOHNSON: We'd like you to ask Apple's counsel whether anything was done --
THE COURT: All right. Has there been any tampering with any of the joint exhibit phones?
MR. JACOBS: No, Your Honor. We have being quite rigorous about this. I would note, just to begin with, that there's a -- there's a, I'm going to change the fruit, there's a pear-and-an-apricot comparison going on here.
on the right, you're looking at an Epic 4G Touch out of the box, I assume the latest shipment of it without the Google search tool on the top.
And in the middle, looking at JX 1034, there's the model search tool. So that's a different --
MR. JOHNSON: This has the Google search
THE COURT: So why did you remove the Google search screen from the home screen if he wanted me to do a comparison of the two home screens?
MR. JOHNSON: It isn't removed.
THE COURT: But why isn't it in your
photo out of the box? Why isn't box on yours out of the box?
I mean, you're telling me it is but you didn't capture it in your photo?
MR. JOHNSON: This was done as we were walking over here, Your Honor, and I brought the phone. If you look at the phone --
THE COURT: Why don't slightly different your home screen not show the Google search box if you're telling me that the home screen was a Google search box.
MR. JOHNSON: What I'm saying is it does have a Google search box on the phone out of the box. And I'm showing you -- if you see down b[e]low, there are several pages here. So what was captured was one page.
and I'm happy to hand Your Honor the phone to see it --
THE COURT: Okay, you know what? Why does your version not include a Google search box on the top if you're telling me that that very Epic 4G Touch out of the box has a Google search box on the top on the home screen?
MR. JOHNSON: I'm telling you --
THE COURT: Why doesn't that photo have
MR. JOHNSON: Because this is, this is the one that they took, Your Honor, and that's, that's the reason, and that's why I brought the phone.
THE COURT: And so you're saying Apple tampered because on Sunday we took a photo of this at 10:35 in the morning on August 5th, and we didn't happen to take one when it's got the Google search box on the top.
MR. JOHNSON: Because, Your Honor, when we went over there last night and took a photo, this is what they captured. This captured this one. Mr. Patel is here. He was involved in the --
THE COURT: Okay. Let me see your Epic 4G Touch out of the box. Does it have the Google search box?
MR. JOHNSON: Yes, and it's still different. That's the point.
MR. JACOBS: Let me point out one other visual cue to what might be going on here. If you look at JX 1034, you'll see that in the -- there must be a term for this, the dots that show you which screen you're on, in JX 1034, the one position is highlighted, so we're in the one position on the screen.
In the Epic 4G such slide on the right on SDX 3921.001, we're looking at a single highlight dot.
MR. JOHNSON: In no situation when you move to any of those pages will you find a page that looks like what's on JX 1034, and that's my point.
The Google search bar can be moved from one screen to the other. as any of these icons can, and all we were asking was that Your Honor --
if they -- I guess the question is, are they willing to represent that they don't move any of the icons on any of the joint exhibits, because that's, that's the issue.
When we compare it to what comes out of the box, it looks different from what's on the joint exhibit.
THE COURT: Okay. Put this in the first -- I mean, all right. Give me the two boxes. Give me the two boxes. I want to look at the SKU number. I want to look at the numbers. I want to see the release dates. I want to see the manufacture dates because this is sounding a little bit absurd to me.
I mean, how many versions and revisions get produced of these phones? Give me a break. You yourself tell me that there are multiple versions that go on with the phones, that there are earlier versions, later versions, you probably have application engineers that are making little knits constantly, fixing bugs constantly. So to say that -- anyway.
MR. JOHNSON: We'd like to get together with Apple and figure out which are the joint exhibits that go to the jury.
THE COURT: I mean, your photo is misleading. You said the Google internet search box is on the top of the phone that you have, the Epic 4G Touch out of the box, and you just chose to take a picture without it on Sunday before this issue even came up. Right? I don't know what you're talking about. You said we found out that they were tampering with these things yesterday and we took a picture yesterday. That photo was taken on sunday, August 5th, yesterday was Monday, August 6th.
So I don't buy your story that you thought that Apple was tampering yesterday and you had to take this photo out of the box. That was taken on Sunday, the day before yesterday.
MR. JOHNSON: Your Honor --
THE COURT: Anyway.
MR. JOHNSON: At the end of
don't have a phone that has this icon in JX 1034.
THE COURT: Well, I open up yours and I don't see what you have either. so you're telling me you took that photo yesterday after you found out that there was tampering by Apple of these joint exhibits?
Are you telling me that where it says Sunday, August 5th, at 1035 A.M. is false on the phone, that that time is wrong and that date is wrong?
MR. JOHNSON: I'm told the phone we have on the right is a soft photo of this phone.
THE COURT: And it was taken when, Sunday or Monday?
MR. JOHNSON: It was taken on Sunday.
THE COURT: So why did you represent to me that this was taken yesterday out of the box because you were so concerned that there has been tampering with the home screens on the joint exhibits, because that's not true.
MR. JOHNSON: Your Honor, what I said was the one in the middle was taken yesterday, last night, out of the -- and that's the joint exhibit.
THE COURT: No. You said you took it out of the box, and this is what it looks like.
MR. JOHNSON: Then I'm sorry, I misspoke. I said 1034 was taken last night after we inspected the joint exhibits.
THE COURT: So what is your recommendation?
MR. JOHNSON: Our recommendation is that
we look at all the joint exhibits or the other side and figure out what are the joint exhibits that actually go into the jury box, because that's -- as Your Honor points out, that's what they're going to be comparing.
THE COURT: I thought that you all did. The whole point of having the joint exhibits was that you all would go through them and agree that they're joint and agree upon them.
MR. JOHNSON: We didn't realize that there were going to be differences, differences in the home screens between the phones.
THE COURT: Okay. Who, who created that one that had 1019 on it yesterday that wasn't an official exhibit? Who created that one? Who put that 1019 sticker on the side.
MR. JACOBS: This is the one with the little sticker.
MR. JOHNSON: I think, again, that was on our side. That was -- what we thought the same exact phone. That's why we got to this point because someone on our side has the same phone, it's handed to the witness and it looks different from what the joint exhibit is, and that's what raised the issue in our minds.
COURT: So how many of the exhibits duplicating with your own copies of the exhibits?
JOHNSON: Well, throughout the case --
COURT: Was 1019 The only one or were
ones that you are going through you were working on?
MR. JOHNSON: No, I believe they're all the joint exhibits, except for that one.
THE COURT: Except for 1019.
MR. JACOBS: Your Honor, It is a symmetry in information here, which Samsung knows when it is sending out patch and updates to the phones. There's been no disclosure to us along the way of those patches and changes.
You do have to try to make sure that phones are not updated in order to avoid the patches and changes.
BUt we have done everything we can to preserve the integrity of the exhibits we've used in the case, because obviously, as Your Honor has noted, the sheer number of phones itself has been a huge challenge for us in managing this case, and now we know that that's Samsung's business
So I think all the, all the presumptions tilt our way on this issue.
THE COURT: Well, I don't see what the request is for today.
MR. JOHNSON: The request --
THE COURT: What's the request for today.
MR. JOHNSON: The request is at this
point the parties get together, figure out what the actual phones should be that go back into the jury room ultimately so that there --
THE COURT: Let me ask you something. If you agreed to a joint exhibit, why are you introducing your own exhibit? And I don't even know if it's the same phone, right? I don't know what reversions it is. I don't know what bug fixes are in that version versus what you agreed to be a joint exhibit.
MR. JOHNSON: When we agreed to an Epic 4G as being a joint exhibit, there wasn't a belief on our side that they were different, and it was only when we got into the testimony from the layout of the icons that we noticed that there are differences, and that begged the question on our side, why does this one look -- why is this late outlook like this and not like this? That was the issue for us.
MR. JACOBS: Your Honor, there have been innumerable inspections of these phones. We've gotten e-mail after e-mail after e-mail, we'll collect them and provide them to you, where Samsung representatives came over and inspected the joint exhibits. We have made them available at a moment's notice on their request, and that is the set of the joint exhibits.
This was all done in advance and to have the sudden discovery, maybe they have come up now with an Epic 4G Touch that they've patched and now they're trying to --
MR. JOHNSON: There's no patch. There's no patch. There are differences here that are important.
THE COURT: Where is that 1019 that you introduced that was not a joint exhibit? Where is it?
MR. BEDECARRE: We'll get it, Your Honor. Just so the record is clear, Ms. Khan was sitting there to hand demonstratives either to the jury or to the witness. And she didn't know that all the phones were on the stand already. So she just had that 1019 one that's our copy, the parties each have lots of copies of these phones, she just handed the wrong one to the witness. That's all.
It wasn't trying to submit a different exhibit. It was merely to hand him one to look at. And she didn't realize that he already had the one with the exhibit sticker on it.
THE COURT: All right. From now on, with any phone, it needs to be shown to both sides and I need to have an agreement that that is the actual joint exhibit that was agreed to. Okay?
I don't even think Ms. Khan needs to sit there. Why does she need to sit there?
MR. BEDECARRE: So she didn't have to go all the way across the front of the jury box.
THE COURT: I think they need to show the other side, just confirm. since we've had this happen now, it's important to have both sides confirm that whatever is being shown to the witness or to the jury is the joint exhibit that both parties have stipulated to.
MR. BEDECARRE: Sure, Your Honor.
THE COURT: Okay. Because i'm not going to have this happen again.
MR. BEDECARRE: We'll make sure.
THE COURT: So I guess I'm not clear. what is it that you're asking for, Mr. Johnson? You don't want Ms. Kare to be able to take about icons today? Is that it?
MR. JOHNSON: No, i'm not asking that.
THE COURT: Okay.
MR. JOHNSON: I'm asking simply that Your
Honor be -- Your Honor ask the parties to go through and sit down and establish -- look at the joint exhibits and agree upon what goes into the jury box, because I think there may be disagreement. 1034 reflects a disagreement and what they're --
THE COURT: We will do that, but it will be charged to your trial time, because you stipulated to these exhibits in advance. Okay.
It will be charged to your trial time.
MR. JOHNSON: Understood.
THE COURT: Take as much time as you
want, but it's getting deducted from your 25 hours. I really don't think that this is -- I
don't find this to be a good faith objection. If you have stipulated to these exhibits in advance, and you now to come in and say, no, no, hold, hold it, hold it, I want to redo everything that's done, so what are you saying now, we're going to have to redo everything that we've done with the witnesses because that doesn't happen to be the exact version of the phone? Are you now saying we need to redo all of that testimony?
MR. JOHNSON: I'm not saying that, your honor. what i'm saying --
THE COURT: If you at the end of the trial suddenly have objections to joint exhibits that have gone to the jury and that the jury has already been shown at your request and the witnesses have already seen, so then what's the result?
MR. JOHNSON: The result ultimately should be what goes into the jury box is reflective of the phones as they come out of the box. That's all i care about.
MR. JACOBS: Your Honor, this is exactly the problem. We can't have a redo of the joint exhibits at this stage. They're in evidence.
THE COURT: I find it not credible that Apple tampered with these joints. Those are joint exhibits that both sides stipulated to in advance.
MR. JACOBS: Your Honor, we're confident that the record will support a verdict if the joint exhibits that have already been stipulated to remain the joint exhibits. To now do a redo of this in the middle of trial would create the potential for serious error.
MR. JOHNSON: Your Honor, if Apple is willing to represent that there's been no manipulation of any of the icons in any of the joint exhibits, we're fine.
MR. JACOBS: Absolutely, Your Honor.
THE COURT: Has there been any manipulation by anyone on your team, anyone, paralegal --
MR. JACOBS: There has been no manipulation. There has been use. There has been use because, of course, we have turned them on because they've been imaged and exercised and tested and so there's been use. But there's been no manipulation designed to create any appearance of the phones. We've been -- we've been rigorous about that in maintaining the integrity of the phones.
THE COURT: Has anyone moved any icons from any of these phones?
MR. JACOBS: No.
THE COURT: All right. Well, I'm satisfied with that. If you have a specific objection, you can raise it at the time.
But what comes across to me is that by the time of the trial, the judge does seem to have a bit of a bug up her nose about Samsung or at least their legal team. You see that where she says to Mr. Johnson things like, Is this what you are saying? That Apple tampered? And he patiently would try to explain that he hadn't said that. He hadn't. That was the judge extrapolating, and maybe correctly and maybe not, but he had not said that. He specifically said he didn't know what had happened.
In short, there is an underlying thread in this picture, but I don't know if it's because the judge saw earlier issues with the lawyers and had formed a negative impression of their forthrightness or what the problem is. But there was one by this time, I'd say. And you can see how Mr. Jacobs used her attitude and reinforced it with his contributions. When she said that there must be many versions and releases, as a possible explanation for the differences, he picks up that theme and runs with it, even though in truth, if they showed the wrong version, that would be a serious matter in a trial where specific versions of phones are at issue.
This all happened before the jury came in, so it's not anything that would influence them, in case you are worried about that. But if I notice that the judge had a little attitude, I wonder if it escaped their notice too.
Next up was Apple's icon designer Susan Kare, with Ms. Krevans for Apple and Mr. Verhoeven for Samsung. The next witness was Russell Winer, and this time it was Michael A. Jacobs of Morrison & Foerster handling direct examination for Apple and Mr. Verhoeven for Samsung. And the final witness that day was Hal Poret, with Mr. Jacobs handling direct examination and William C. Price of Quinn Emanuel doing the cross examination for Samsung.
You can find all this listed on page 3 of the PDF, by the way, followed by a page where you can find the testimony of each one.