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Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 02:03 AM EDT
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Here is a revealing little tidbit from SCO's April 24, 2003 DEF 14A filing with the SEC, their Proxy Statment. It seems to explain why we get press releases from Utah with such regularity, threatening everyone and their little dog too. After each threat, the stock seems to shoot up. Why does Darl do this? What's in it for him? Take a look at what he gets if he manages to have four profitable quarters: CEO Compensation.
In setting the total compensation payable to the Company's Chief Executive Officer for the 2002 fiscal year, the compensation committee sought to make that compensation competitive, while at the same time assuring that a significant percentage of compensation was tied to the Company's performance. The compensation committee reviewed industry compensation surveys for chief executive officers of comparable software companies to determine an appropriate compensation level. During fiscal year 2002, the Company hired Darl McBride, a seasoned technology veteran, to succeed Ransom Love as the Company's Chief Executive Officer. During fiscal year 2002, the base salary for Darl McBride was $250,000, which was later reduced to $230,000 as a result of salary cuts in the Company. Mr. McBride was also eligible to receive a quarterly performance award for reaching financial targets. The primary goals established for Mr. McBride included the successful attainment of revenue, and net income targets as established in his offer letter. These targets have been set very aggressively and will allow for Mr. McBride to earn from 20% to 300% of his base salary as a quarterly performance award based on attainment. During fiscal year 2002, Mr. McBride did not receive any quarterly performance award payments.
In recognition of the leadership and guidance Mr. McBride brings to the Company, he was granted 600,000 options to purchase shares under the Company's 1999 Omnibus Stock Incentive Plan. Of the options granted to Mr. McBride, 400,000 options vest 25% after one year with the remaining 75% vesting at 1/36 th per month thereafter, until fully vested. Of the remaining 200,000 stock options granted to Mr. McBride, 50,000 options will vest one year from the date of the Company's first profitable quarter (as long as that profitable quarter is before Q4 of fiscal year 2003) and the remaining 150,000 options will vest one year from the date the Company achieves four consecutive quarters of profitability (as long as the fourth quarter is before Q4 of fiscal year 2004). Now, this may prove to be very remunerative for Darl, particularly since the options he was granted on the 600,000 shares last year were at 76 cents a share, but is it a good business model? He has had two profitable quarters, thanks to the Sun and Microsoft licenses, and no doubt he'd like to have four. There does seem to be something wrong with an arrangement that puts the short-term personal interests of executives in a company so at odds with the long-term interests of the company itself and against the interests of the public at large.
SCO as a company is committing suicide before our eyes. No one in the open source/free software worlds will want to do any business with them from this day forward. That is a given. I wonder if they know how much business that will cost them? Here is an article on how to persuade your executives to switch to Linux. Here is an article on how to help SCO's poor customers make the switch to Linux, so they aren't left up the creek without a paddle, and notice one of the commenters says he just quietly recommends anything but SCO products, and that so far, just since this all began, they have "lost 58 OpenServer licenses over four customers because of me".
Here is economist Amy Wohl writing that "The Open Source Community Has a Business Model". And speaking of successful Linux business models, IBM has just signed a deal with Red Flag Linux too, just as HP recently did:"Given the size of China's economy and the related growth of information technology infrastructure, Red Flag could become the most widely deployed Linux distribution," said Stacey Quandt, an independent Linux analyst. Proprietary Microsoft is sulking but also trying to woo China, the article says, using a technique that validates the open source method: Microsoft, which has criticized China for not doing enough to curb software piracy, is trying to court Chinese customers, but Linux has the advantage that its core components are available for free. Microsoft also is trying to allay concerns by letting Chinese officials view Windows' underlying source code, a move that acknowledges one advantage of Linux and its open-source development process. SCO's other buddy, Sun, keeps trying to figure out new ways to graft olde business methods on to Linux. That is, of course, the same mistake Caldera made with its per seat license "brainstorm" that made it impossible to make money from their Linux product. You can't graft the two styles together, but that doesn't stop the dinosaur brigade from perpetually trying, as long as they have any breath in them. Now stuck-in-the-mud Sun would like to offer indemnity from SCO lawsuits, but there is a catch:Sun is contemplating adding an unusual provision to some of its Java licenses under which the company would agree to protect licensees from Linux-related lawsuits filed by the SCO Group. . . .
A Sun representative said the program, if executed, would likely apply only to Java 2 Micro Edition, Sun's version of Java for gadgets including cell phones and embedded devices such as electronic billboards.. . .
Sun has publicly stated on several occasions that it will indemnify its Solaris customers against any liability. Customers that adopt Mad Hatter, an upcoming Sun desktop software suite, also will be indemnified, Schwartz said. . . .
When it comes to Linux, however, Sun server customers are on their own. The company does not provide indemnity to Sun server customers who choose to run Linux, rather than Solaris, on its servers. Sun sells servers that run Red Hat's Linux.
Sun, in fact, will try to erode Linux's growth in the marketplace by promoting a version of Solaris that runs on servers with chips from Intel or Advanced Micro Devices. [emphasis added]
In case you were wondering where Sun stands, now you know. They are desirous of "eroding Linux's growth in the marketplace". Still believe Sun isn't behind this SCO stuff?
As usual in the proprietary software world, there is no honor. And you'd best read the fine print. It seems Sun hasn't exactly explained just how the indemnification will work:Sun could request that Java customers seeking indemnity switch from using Linux to Solaris. Sun could also, conceivably, devise a Linux-like OS, or it could pay additional royalties to SCO. . . . However, Sun's license only extends to Solaris, said SCO spokesman Blake Stowell, not to Java related products or any as-yet-created version of Linux from Sun. Doesn't it just make you want to gag, once you grasp the hustle? You are "indemnified" by switching away from Linux altogether and on to Solaris. What a deal. Thanks, but no thanks.
Those proprietary software dudes are so smarmy. Maybe that used to work, before the internet. But it's going the way of the dodo now. Darl wrote about mainstream values, but the values reflected in proprietary business methods reveal the stream is polluted. Who wants to do business with people like that? Who even dares to?
And now nobody has to. What I love about GNU/Linux is, there is no fine print. There is no hustle. And there is honor. That alone is a business proposition worthy of your consideration.
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 12:33 AM EDT |
Interesting...Seems to be a discrepancy in what they report for Darl's salary
and what Forbes reports here: http://www.forbes.com/finance/mktguideapps/
personinfo/FromPersonIdPersonTearsheet.jhtml?passedPersonId=146648.
Forbes says 80K for Darl plus options.
I wouldn't hire Darl to wash my car; IMHO he would be tremendously overpaid at
20K/year. wild bill[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 01:17 AM EDT |
PJ, I know little about American law, but this smells very much of market
manipulation for personal gain. I'd be interested to know if the American
courts have any avenues for dealing with this sort of move ? Or anyone's ideas
for that matter. Dr Tony Young[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 01:29 AM EDT |
Interesting. My script seems to have downloaded a different number of SCO
"Partners" than Fyodor's. He got 3739, and I have 3747. Frank[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 01:41 AM EDT |
wild bill - I agree. I wouldn't hire him at all, for anything, ever. BTW, I am
payed more to be a Linux developer, but don't tell him that. His stock deals
are better than mine though.
pj - Instead of saying "stuck in the mud", how about "stuck in the tarpit" or
"stuck in the peat bog". Nice job BTW. Thanks for pointing out Amy Wohl's
blog.
I have a new business model - I am starting a company that will make slide rules
and abacuses. I will make most of my money by sueing Intel, AMD, etc. and all
computer and calculator manufacturers for suppressing my market opportunities.
I will then branch out into oil lamps, buggy whips, and button hooks. This
business model will recurse nicely until I get to clovis points.
Not sure I can really have a company that sells pointed sticks.
The bogon flux from Lindon is reaching levels I never thought possible. Harry Clayton[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 01:52 AM EDT |
The salary disparity is explained like this: he only started with SCO last
June, I believe, so he didn't work for them the entire year. The 14A document
records what his salary would have been, had he worked the entire year. Forbes
records what it actually proved to be last year.
As for the wiki, that's fine for editing for those desiring to use it, but
please make sure that all significant new info gets recorded here, so Groklaw
has a complete history, in case the wiki isn't permanently available. pj[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 01:57 AM EDT |
So Sun will indemnify its Mad Hatter Linux desktops, but not its Linux servers?
Well, it's Sun's choice as to what it wishes to offer indemnity for - this seems
more of the love/hate stuff we've seen for years now from Sun. They keep trying
to come up with a formula to give the public what they want (Linux) without
overseeing an inevitable retreat of Solaris - and of course, failing.
The interest to me is that Sun is offering indemnity to Linux users *at all*,
even if it is only for the MH desktops and boxes running Java. That means that
either (a) their UNIX is completely permissive, validating their Linux distro
(contrary to Stowell's protestations) or (b) they know that SCO has no case.
While Sun's actions may be decried as cynical, they do tell us something useful.
P.S. I liked Dell's response! :) Dr Stupid[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 02:16 AM EDT |
As far as market manipulation is concerned, the government isn't likely to
become involved until after the IBM/SCO case. As yet, there hasn't been any
ruling on SCO's allegation, so from the view of the SEC, SCO could just as
likely be correct as the are wrong.
Should IBM prove that SCO claims are egregious however, and that wouldn't be
very hard to do, SCO's upper management would then become liable to the SEC.
Given the fact that they've made a great deal of money through selling their
shares the last couple of months, couple that with the canopy purchase, they
would be in real trouble legally. If they are thinking that by folding SCO and
moving on before the IBM case would eliminate this, or that they could hide
behind indemnification provided by the company, then they have another thing
coming.
This hasn't gone to plan for SCO; it's gone badly wrong. Stephen Henry[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 02:59 AM EDT |
pj says: "Still believe Sun isn't behind this SCO stuff?"
Whoa there, pj, my rhetoro-meter just jumped into the red. Common interest does
not imply conspiracy.
Sun was just looking to avoid having Solaris' provenance brought in question and
to opportunistically score a few FUD points on IBM, that's all. paulb[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 03:04 AM EDT |
Thankyou Stephen Henry - nice to know some retribution is very likely.
style="height: 2px; width: 20%; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: auto;">Dr Tony
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 03:14 AM EDT |
"opportunistically score a few FUD points on IBM" + multi-million payments to
SCO for no new services ~= behind this SCO stuff.
Since the only customers for SCO Source are enemies of Linux and SCO Source is
the only profitable portion of SCO now (and Darl's only hope for his bonus), it
is important that Sun and Microsoft pay has high a price for their support of
SCO as possible.
There has to be a reason for Sun and MS executives to cancel the next round of
SCO Fud payments.
Microsoft's claim that its payment to SCO was a routine cross-licensing
agreement is as much FUD as SCO's claim that Linux has "millions and millions"
of lines of SCO code.
As long as Microsoft can get $11 million more Windows sales by giving SCO $10
million for anti-Linux FUD, they will continue to do so, especially in this
Window before Longhorn.
As long as SUN can get $11 million more Solaris sales by giving SCO $10 million
for anti-Linux FUD, they will continue to do so.
To stop SCO we have to make it clear to MS and Sun that there is a price for
this campaign and they won't be able to hide in the background. r.a.[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 03:17 AM EDT |
Concerning SCOX insiders:
- with 600.000 shares Darl would have almost 3times than current top insider
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/mh?s=SCOX
- there were only sales by insiders last 6 month
- through there is not much data on the "analyst estimates" it shows an
estimated growth
of 0.4% per annum for SCOX compared to 12.24% (industry) and 14.05%
(sector) murple[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 03:18 AM EDT |
Oops, forgot the links
only sales: http://finance.yahoo.com/q/it?s=SCOX
estimated growth: http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ae?s=SCOX
murple[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 03:34 AM EDT |
For those of you who are having trouble understanding American Law, here’s a
very brief way to understand what you are seeing. As stated previously, IANAA,
but my wife is – and I did sit in court all day every day for almost three years
of my brief (5 year) stunt as a Probation Officer. Hopefully this will help,
but then again it may just confuse you more…
Generally speaking, the law itself is pretty straight forward about what is and
is not allowed in one’s conduct. The hard part is establishing just what the
conduct actually was. This is the stuff that is fought over in things like
depositions & discovery, and is also the part that is often the hardest to
understand, and why it helps so much for there to be something like this site
where information is gathered & organized. Intent is notoriously hard to prove,
and an awful lot of what will count as “stuff” in any trial is very much open to
interpretation. My wife always states that what she hated most about litigation
was the establishment of the “facts” (“give me the law any day, establishing who
did what & why is just ugly”). These are not facts like we have in science,
they are the very much fought over information that will actually be allowed to
inter the hearing, and that has all sorts of rules attached to it. Unlike T.V.,
there is rarely any surprise information allowed in a trial. Should such a
thing happen (a surprise), both sides are likely to want to have a chance to go
over said information & there may well even be an argument about if such is
allowed – the famous instructions to the jury to “ignore” what they just heard…
(unless it is information that one side was found to have been hiding – but then
that just starts another round of did they really hide it, or was it an honest
mistake – see how hard “intent” can be to figure out?) Mostly at trial they are
either trying to get someone to alter what they said at deposition, or trying to
put a “spin” on how that information ought to be viewed (sort of like how Darl
put a rather interesting spin in his open letter). That’s what “discovery” is
all about – “here is all the information concerning “x” – but then it is up to
the attorneys to figure out just exactly what “x” is/means, and how to present
said information so as to support that interpretation. Then they have to get
the Judge/Jury to agree, thus the trial.
Now, a sane person might think that once they have finally agreed to what the
“facts/stuff” is, there isn’t much left to do. Most of the trial is actually
trying to get a jury/judge to view those facts the same way you do. As this is
going through civil litigation, both sides will spend the time between
“discovery” and the trial looking up all sorts of previous case law to support
their interpretation of said “facts” (remember, intent has lots to do with these
types of things), and lucky for us both sides will undoubtedly be able to find
ample examples that seem to support their views… (thus the mess of civil
litigation). When they find such case law they present it as being “on point”
(an example of how the court ought to act) and there is a regularly blown off,
or at least not overtly followed, part of this (though they don’t like to admit
it) where they are supposed to also present any case law that limits or dilutes
the case law they are citing that they may have uncovered also. A substantial
amount of the filings done prior to/during are “here is a case very much like
this one (that would be what they call “on point” again) where the court did
this, and we think you ought to too…(every night during a trial both sides go
over everything that happened in court and try to figure out how best to
maximize/minimalize what ever happened in court that day…and perhaps file
motions – clarifications or requests- concerning that days events)
And then a judge/jury takes all information presented in the trial & tries to
decide who to believe.
Like I said, not exactly a text book explanation, but believe it or not that’s
basically what the whole process is about. You can also see how it can become
rather expensive very fast (my wife always presented to her clients the cost
should it actually go to court – easily 5-10 grand per side just for the trial
part of it on a small case VS. how much is it worth for you to win? It can get
very expensive to “make a point”, one of the reasons so much gets settled
without a trial – is it worth spending 10,20 or 30 grand to prove that they
ripped you off 3 grand? It is also why so many companies just pay the litigant
to go away (the much mentioned “nuisance” fee), it was cheaper then going to
trial.
Thomas Thomas LePage[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 04:49 AM EDT |
http://www
.infoconomy.com/pages/news-and-gossip/group84712.adp
seems they are building for a big interview to be printed next week
maybe in anticipation of the 10Q being not as good?
just a note he seems to use the words allege and has toned down some
rehetoric
at least it seems that way to me brenda banks[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 04:52 AM EDT |
r.a. says: "opportunistically score a few FUD points on IBM" + multi-million
payments to SCO for no new services ~= behind this SCO stuff.
Sure, and by that same logic: pj scores a few FUD points on SCO + multi-billion
$$ support from IBM ~= pj getting marching orders from IBM.
If you don't like it when Darl has visions of ESR and Perens getting their
marching orders from IBM, then don't descend to his level, it's really that
simple. Or is Groklaw no longer a just-the-facts site? I choose to believe that
it is, pj just got carried away, like we all do sometimes. paulb[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 05:00 AM EDT |
Groklaw is an anti-FUD site, not just a just-the-facts site. There are times
when we do not have all the facts, but we do have various pieces of potential
evidence. PJ likes to verify all that can be verified, but this is community
effort. At times the thing to do is lay out the evidence and ask questions.
That's what is being done with Sun. Do we know Sun is pushing for this behind
the scenes? No. Is it possible? Yes. Here's more information, pj says, now
what do you think? That's all that is going on.
No statements are being made. Questions are being asked. Nick[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 05:30 AM EDT |
http://www.madville.com/li
nk.php?id=49473&t=23
i cant believe didio showed back up
enjoy the read brenda banks[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 05:36 AM EDT |
Heh. Like I said in a previous post, a friend of SUN's is a sucker indeed.
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 05:40 AM EDT |
I stand by what I wrote. Whatever the truth may be as to when they hopped on
the bandwagon, by declaring now that it wishes to block Linux's growth, it has
chosen what side it is on. I do them no harm by highlighting the position they
have publicly taken and noting that they have now revealed they share a common
goal with SCO. pj[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 05:53 AM EDT |
http://tinyurl.com/mzp1
interesting comment from mandrake brenda banks[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 06:08 AM EDT |
Thanks for the infoconomy link Brenda. I think it's the first time that SCO have
explicitly linked the "million lines" to IBM and Sequent, although it's what the
maths had indicated and we had expected. Before, they had trumpeted this total
in such a way as to imply that there was the IBM suit and then a million lines
on top of that.
Note again that the term "intellectual property" is used, not copyright, patent
etc.
Note also McBride: "That startled us because they have contracts that state that
they won't do things like that." He doesn't say they own the technology, just
that IBM have made promises.
I presume that he means the AT&T contracts. Let's leave aside for the sake of
srgument IBM's (on the face of it) strong case that the contracts, and the 1985
side letter sent to all UNIX licencees, do not prevent anyone putting Unix
"technology" (as opposed to copyrighted code) into Linux.
Let's imagine that there *is* a contract which says that (as SCO alledges)
although IBM own the copyrights to NUMA etc. they have promised they won't
contribute it to another system, and that IBM did it anyway. Clearly, IBM would
be in breach of contract. *But* this would not make the code SCOs property, and
consequently there would be no end user liability. To repeat the example I gave
on GrokLaw a long time ago, if A promises B not to give C an orange (the orange
belonging to A and B not having any title to it), and A breaks that promise, B
can sue A but the transfer of title to the orange from A to C is not
invalidated. Dr Stupid[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 06:41 AM EDT |
August 26
http://www.internetwk.com/breakingNews/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=13900143
a>
http://www.internetwk.com/breakingNews/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=139
00143&pgno=2
But Sontag said the BPF routines were not intended to be an example of stolen
code, but rather a demonstration of how SCO was able to detect "obfuscated"
code, or code that had been altered slightly to disguise its origins. The slide
displaying the code should have been written differently to reflect that
intention, he said.
"It was an example of our ability to find moderately changed or obfuscated
code, it was not an example we are using in court," Sontag said. "If they want
to go off and make a big defense on that, they are welcome to it."
http://www.inter
netwk.com/breakingNews/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=X5EZQXR3D0UM2QSNDBGCKHQ?
articleID=13900143&pgno=2
Sept 11
http://www.slt
rib.com/2003/Sep/09112003/business/91398.asp
SCO acknowledges it has not, because of pending litigation, completely
revealed its evidence of purloined code showing up in Linux. However, Stowell
argues his company has revealed -- through a mix of private screenings where
viewers signed nondisclosure pacts and in a public slide show three weeks ago at
SCO's trade show in Las Vegas -- sufficiently damning examples backing its
claims.
"They keep saying we are not showing the code, that we are being deceptive,"
Stowell said. "But we have shown it, literally, to hundreds of people now. . . .
We have been very forthcoming. The programs we have identified make up about 20
percent of Linux." quatermass - SCO delenda est[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 06:47 AM EDT |
Ignore the URL which is old half hyperlinked in my previous post quatermass - SCO delenda est[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 06:56 AM EDT |
Aug 20:
http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/232/business/SCO_undercuts_its_Linux
_case+.shtml
SCO, though, was steadfast. ''Their assertions are incorrect. The source code
is absolutely owned by SCO,'' said Chris Sontag, a company spokesman. quatermass - SCO delenda est[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 07:01 AM EDT |
Aug 19:
http://news.com.com/2100-1016-
5065286.html
Sontag then showed, in a series of slides, Linux code that he claimed has
been literally copied from Unix. He said numerous comments, unusual spellings
and typographical errors had also been copied directly into Linux. quatermass - SCO delenda est[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 07:05 AM EDT |
If Stowell considers the slide show a "damning example" I can't help wondering
what his mildly persuasive examples are like!! Dr Stupid[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 07:24 AM EDT |
Regarding the wiki, at this point it seems to be having problem similar to those
in Groklaw's comments page - it cuts off all input after a certain size is
reached. That means that it will probably work for fine tuning John's letter,
but not for a longer anti-SCO project.
RavingLuni, if you're out there, we need to have more space availabe on each
page, and a way to add pages or using the wiki just won't work.
Also, PJ has asked some good questions about whether we can expect the
space/bandwidth to be available permanently. Can you address these concerns?
Alex Alex Roston[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 07:27 AM EDT |
SCO folks keep going back and forth over the code in the slides, but refuse to
release any more examples of alleged code-copying. Those two fragments are
probably *all* they got. RC[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 07:28 AM EDT |
Brenda: I was wondering when/if she would show her face again, once again not
stating all the facts
she refers to ESR as not revealing the name of the "attacker" yet ESR stated he
had no direct contact with
the attacker and didn't know who it was. And it should be "alledged" attacks -
it's still not 100% proven
that there was an attack.
She shows her bias. ;-)
KPL[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 07:32 AM EDT |
Regarding BPF, Sontag says it's not an example of "stolen" code, just an example
of "obfuscation".
Kind of a bizzarre statement, isn't it? What's the differance? Seems to me he's
saying it's not
stolen, but it is. Doh!
KPL[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 07:42 AM EDT |
Hey Alex
I don't know what the actual limits of page size are for the software or how to
alter it, but you can add pages simply by making a wiki-word. A wiki-word is
two words put into one...like AlexRoston or RavingLuni or NewPage would all show
up with a ? next to them which you then click on to create a new page.
Also, I want to note since it wasn't clear: I do not wish in any way to step on
PJ's or anybody at Groklaw's toes...so anything anybody puts on the wiki, please
also post here. It is also under the creative commons license same as here, so
anyone can use it (I will add that to the HomePage) and I also will give the
database over to PJ/Groklaw when they move to the new software package (if
PJ/Groklaw wants it). RavingLuni[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 07:43 AM EDT |
KPL--they're backtracking about BPF. They sincerely thought it was theirs when
they showed the slide. When they were proven wrong, they changed their story to
say it's only an example of how they can FIND "obfuscated" copying, even though
it in itself is NOT an example of obfuscated copying.
There are at least two reasons that this seriously damages SCO's
credibility:
1. SCO must have removed the BSD copyright attributions from the BPF code if
they thought it was theirs. Doesn't justify SCO's self-appointed position as
Royal High Guardian of Intellectual Property in the Internet Age(tm), does
it?
2. Sontag's admission that the slide "should have been rewritten" implies that
SCO knowingly gave a deceptive presentation. And if you look at what SCOX stock
did following SCOForum, you might be able to make a case for securities
fraud. Jeremy Stanley[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 07:57 AM EDT |
Actually it should be "Alleged". There's only one "d". I'm nitpicky. :)
When Sontag says obfuscation, he means "code altered to hide its true origins"
which is an obvious ploy on SCO's part since they're likely the ones to be
obfuscating code in order to claim they own it when they do not. There's no
significant difference other than implying "someone" purposely and maliciously
did it rather than it being an accident hence the suit vs IBM. Z[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 08:10 AM EDT |
Linus answering open letter from darl:
http://www
.infoworld.com/article/03/09/10/HNtorvaldssco_1.html
Favourite qoute:
"We are happy that you agree that customers need to know that Open Source is
legal and stable, and we heartily agree with that sentence of your letter. The
others don't seem to make as much sense, but we find the dialogue
refreshing." murple[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 08:15 AM EDT |
Paulb:
"Sure, and by that same logic: pj scores a few FUD points on SCO + multi-billion
$$ support from IBM ~= pj getting marching orders from IBM."
You're welcome to show me the multi-billion $$ support PJ gets from IBM. I'll
show you my evidence if you show me yours. r.a.[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 08:27 AM EDT |
Here is an interesting new facet to the SCO business plan and it's future.
http://damagestudios.com/jobs.php
Notice that ex-SCO employee's need not apply. Tom Cranbrook[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 08:43 AM EDT |
Unfortunately, I'm afraid I don't find the DEF-14A filing that damning toward
Darl. Note that the `performance bonuses' are based upon company profitability,
not stock price. Darl has achieved 2 quarters of profitability based entirely
upon the largesse of his silent partners (Sun and Microsoft). That particular
well is now dry and the odds that SCO will have 2 more quarters of profit are
vanishingly small.
If I read your article right Darl has already vested 400,000 options out of
600,000, none of which are performance related. At today's stock price he's
sitting on over a 6 million dollar nest egg. Much as I despise the man I have
to admire him, I'm amazed he hasn't discovered a `tax liability' that requires
him to cash in some of those shares.
--
"Censeo Toto nos in Kansa esse decisse." - D. Gale Don
Dugger[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 08:56 AM EDT |
RavingLuni wrote:
>>> I don't know what the actual limits of page size are for the software or how
to alter it, but you can add pages simply by making a wiki-word. A wiki-word is
two words put into one...like AlexRoston or RavingLuni or NewPage would all show
up with a ? next to them which you then click on to create a new page.
As long as new pages can be created, this isn't a major problem at the moment,
though it might easily be a problem if the Gorklaw community and PJ decide to
use the software to create a more extensive document than a long letter. I've
put John's letter on the MainPage, and moved the proposed outline and my letter
to Rob Enderle to seperate pages.
>>> Also, I want to note since it wasn't clear: I do not wish in any way to step
on PJ's or anybody at Groklaw's toes...so anything anybody puts on the wiki,
please also post here. It is also under the creative commons license same as
here, so anyone can use it (I will add that to the HomePage) and I also will
give the database over to PJ/Groklaw when they move to the new software package
(if PJ/Groklaw wants it).
Raving, I agree with your intent entirely here. It's obvious that the Groklaw
comments section isn't up to doing serious work on a piece of text. The issue
here is what PJ and the community want to do. To me a wiki is a wonderful tool.
It has everything necessary to take the excellent news stories, web-references,
and opinions here on Groklaw and turn them into a coherent narrative which reads
as a linear history SCO's attack on open-source, a narrative which can begin
with the early history of UNIX and move through time to the present day, a
narrative which is indexed by subject and consists of logically laid our
chapters and some good indexing, complete with web-links, footnotes, and
appendicies. As PJ noted, something like this would be a great resource for
writers, reporters and the general public.
The sixty-four thousand dollar question here is whether PJ (and to a lesser
extent, the community) wants to do that. I'm willing to do the editorial
gruntwork - working up a general outline for the project, dealing with spelling,
grammer and phrasing, working to keep a high tone, etc. However, I'm assuming
that whatever we created would essentially take its tone from PJ and Groklaw,
and that she would have ultimate control over the project. Alex Roston[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 09:03 AM EDT |
Don Dugger: Microsoft has promised to sponsor another 5 mil. in the coming 3
quarters according to SCO's SEC filing.
That may be just enough to keep them in the black. It will also be interesting
what SCO's recent acquisition(s?) will do for it's quarterly report.
style="height: 2px; width: 20%; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: auto;">inc_x[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 09:15 AM EDT |
Thomas LePage: Thanks so much for that insight into the civil trial law system
(even if YANAA). Very informative!
And FWIW, I think that since PJ has stated on several occasions that GROKLAW is
a permanent resource for all things regarding TSG's behavior (including McBride,
Stowell, Sontag, etc. ad nauseum), it is possible that it may be referenced in
order to clarify TSG's "intent" with regards to the lawsuit(s).
As for the article, I do deeply suspect that McBride is engaging in
securities fraud, and that after the lawsuit is over (for good or ill), the SEC
is going to pay TSG a visit regarding the stock price during this timeframe.
Remember, there is still a rather sore spot with Wall Street regarding
latter-day "robber barons" (Enron, WorldCom, etc.). The only reason that it
might fly under the SEC's radar is that any actual defrauding (i.e. what's
likely to happen after the lawsuit is over, and findings go against TSG)
hasn't occurred yet, since the SCOX is currently riding high. Just wait until it
crashes, then watch the feds crawl all over them... RoQ[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 09:19 AM EDT |
http://www.madville.com/li
nk.php?id=49473&t=23
"SCO Group's lawsuits against IBM and Red Hat have helped the company incur the
wrath of an entire
IT movement, and no letter or justification will change everyone's mind at this
point, says Laura DiDio,
a Yankee Group senior analyst."
(gasp)... can this be a less-than-flattering comment from Ms. DiDio regarding
SCO? I'm feeling faint... Steve Martin[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 09:35 AM EDT |
Just to clarify the 4 posts I gave previously with dates. I believe they all
relate to the Los Vegas slide show, and therefore I would believe that could
they could be summed up:
1. Aug 19 - These are damning examples of copying.
2. Aug 20 - The criticism of these example slide are incorrect. This is our
code.
3. Aug 26 - One of the examples (BPF) is just to show our technique for
searching. It's not meant to be a damning example. It's not meant to show
copying. We won't use it in court. Ignore the wording on the slide that says
it's about our damning "proof" of copying.
4. Sep 11 - The examples that we showed, are damning. quatermass - SCO delenda
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 09:49 AM EDT |
I'm somewhat surprised nobody discussed Darl's stock options. In the best case,
he won't be fully vested for approximately another 3 years! By then SCO
will probably be in ruins and the stock worthless. Although he does have some
stock options available to him, they are nowhere near the bulk of what he was
awarded that hasn't vested yet.
Here's my math, assuming he was hired in June 2002 (as somebody posted
above):
Total stock options: 600,000
It doesn't specify when he was awarded these 600,000 shares but let's assume it
was Q4 2002 (salary for fiscal year 2003).
Options vested Q4 2003: 100,000
The remaining 300,000 options of his 400,000 "performance" options will be
vested 8333.33(repeating) per month for the next 3 years.
Now, let's assume that somehow they remain profitable until the end of the year,
making it 4 quarters in a row.
First profitable quarter: Q1 2003
Options vested Q1 2004: 50,000
Options vested Q4 2004: 150,000
So based on my lame math, in December of this year he'll have 100,000 shares
vested, with another approximately 75,000 by end of Q1 2004. Do we really have
to listen to his mouth spew crap for another 3 years (assuming best case
scenario for their finances) until he can sell off all his stock? Or do we
really think they can keep the FUD machine running for another year so he can
get the rest of his stock options.
I highly doubt it. Once this goes to trial the stock will probably bomb as they
are forced to reveal their evidence and IBM lays the smackdown.
Let's hope my math is right... :-) K Gardner[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 09:55 AM EDT |
Here's guessing that 4 profitable quarters are enough. Canopy will have had
enough time to complete their shell games, McBride will be able to cash in, then
lights out, and who cares? Frank Brickle[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 10:24 AM EDT |
Major find by pj, but it seems that pj and others miss the significance of what
she found.
first I must gloat
[GLOAT ON]
I posted something to this effect a few days ago about Dale in the comments
saying basically is about the money for Dale.
[GLOAT OFF]
wild bill hit on it without even reliasing it. No sane person would hire Dale,
so why did SCO hire Dale?
Here's why.
Canopy buys SCO to grow it and "turn it arround" either it gets a profit or it
grows revenue so that it. They go shopping for a CEO that is willing and sleazy
enough to sign up for a pretty awful contract for an awful company. The
contract for Dale that pj lists is only one half of the contract. There's a BIG
negative side. Its either in writing or implied. No good CEO would come in and
"fix SCO" under such a contract. The previous guy Love tried to increase sales,
introduced products, but that failed. What would someone bring to SCO that Love
didn't have?
A normal CEO type canidate would go "OK you want what when? and you think
what's in the code? you want me to sue who? NO THANK YOU"
Dale says yes because he's desperate enough or it doesn't matter to him
personally if he tanks SCO.
If Dale doesn't perform, he's toast. Same time frame basically. I thought it
would be like 2-3 years but with pj's find its definitely 4 quarters. If there
is no significant improvement in SCO in only 1 year, Dale's fired. Man, I knew
there was pressure on Dale but this is just overkill.
I know the comp package pj listed just shows what happens if he suceeds, but
believe me there's a LOT more than what's listed to the SEC. Companies that put
out those kind of carrots also have a stick. They put that in Dale's contract
to try to get him to fix the company NOW. They MUST get SCO profitable NOW,
RIGHT NOW or bad things will happen.
Hence the whole lawsuit and license thing. Its basically a scam to raise
capital and "make" sco profitable.
There is a lot more behind this and we could probably research this theory.
pj, we could found out the following: 1. Mr. Love was with SCO for how long?
What was his compensation compared to Dale's? 2. How long was Dale out of a
job before he got on with SCO? 3. What are the details of the IKON / Dale
lawsuit? (I think it was IKON, he sued someone over relocation issues). 4.
Did MS and/or Sun get anything for the "license" purchases such as stock? 5.
What products / improvements did SCO have when Love was CEO?
What I am saying here is this is boils down to the same thing a stock scam or
sleezy venture capital deal simular to an over pumped IPO where everyone really
involved knows lots of lies are going arround but thats ok as long as we are
making money.
MS and Sun don't just send that kind of money out to Utah for philosophical
reasons. $10 Million BETTER buy you SOMETHING. Conspiracy theories aside, the
"evil" MS is a business and businesses don't spend that kind of money for
nothing, even if it is "small" compared to their bottom line.
Yeah,yeah,yeah....they get the FUD advantage and rah-rah go SCO, kill Linux, but
there has to be more to it than that. What did they get for their money?
I know that it is common for everyone to think that MS, SCO, Sun, Canopy are all
on the same page, but it is entirely possible that SCO/Dale lied to them all.
"We found code and we are SURE that IBM/SGI and others put OUR UNIX stuff in
there." BubbaCode[ Reply to This | # ]
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Bubba, why are Canopy, Angel Partners, John Wall, Morgan Keegan & Co, etc.,
working hard to unload lots and lots of SCO stock? quatermass - SCO delenda est[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 10:49 AM EDT |
Seems like Darl's mission is to pump out 4 profitable quarters, whether or not
there is a viable company left at the end. The IBM suit is there just to create
the illusion of a future. Keep the stock price up, and dump as much as possible
until the whole thing goes up in smoke. Which is why IBM is going after Canopy.
There won't be an SCO in 2005. Greg T Hill[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 10:52 AM EDT |
(Part I)
I think I have figured out a big chunk of what is going on.
I have been very puzzled by SCO's actions on the licenses. If it was planning
to make a lot of money off of them, then why did it announce they were on sale,
but then not actually have them available for a whole month? My mistake was
that I assumed that what they are saying is true.
What SCO says or implies is "We own code in Linux, so every Linux user has to
pay us for a licence (if they don't, they will get sued), and so we are going to
make vast amounts of money" ($4.9 billion, by my calculation, if they are
correct). But we all know SCO lies a lot, so maybe this is a lie, too.
How to find out if it is a lie or not? One way is to figure out what they would
do if they were telling the truth, and then check whether or not it matches
their actual behavior. Now if they really are pushing a riches-through-licenses
scheme, they would almost certainly have started planning it as soon as they
(allegedly) discovered the code in Linux, like back in December. And in that
case, they would have had plenty of time to work on the license, and so it would
have been all ready to go in early August when they announced availability. The
fact they didn't makes me think the license scheme was something they thought up
much later, like say mid-July, and then rushed into action.
Here is another thing. If they were really planning to sell licenses to
everyone, then they would have thought about how many people they would need on
the phones to sell them. Do the math, and you see that if every Linux user was
to buy a license over the course of, say, three years, that would means
something like 100,000 calls a month, and so they would have needed to vastly
expand their phone answering staff. But as far as I can tell, they have not
expanded it at all. That is another reason to believe they really are not
planning on selling licenses, or at least not in any major way like they say
they are.
If that is the case, they why have they kept telling everyone they are going to
sell license to all Linux users? Well, if someone's behavior is puzzling, a good
idea is to start with what you actually know for fact, and a central fact is
that in March they initiated a lawsuit against IBM.
Now almost everyone who has really studied this thinks, for a variety of
reasons, that they are not actually planning to go to trial, but instead are
hoping for a favorable pre-trial settlement from IBM (in fact, one of SCO's
executives said not long after the suit was filed that a buy-out by IBM would be
a satisfactory resolution). And a further point here is that we can be pretty
sure they want that settlement soon, rather than waiting 5 or 10 years as the
case drags through the courts.
Now to get such a settlement, and soon, they have to put pressure on IBM. The
lawsuit is some pressure, but not that much. To start, this is an 80 billion a
year company (as I recall), so a 3.5 billion lawsuit does not really scare them.
Plus they have a strong motive to resist a settlement as long as possible
because to settle early would encourage other small, greedy companies to file
similar suits. And finally, IBM had deep pockets so it can just wait things out
for a number of years before settling.
There is another type of pressure, however, that I think SCO was hopping for,
one would be both immediate and 10 times more powerful than the suit itself.
Remember, and this is something that I think has not received enough discussion
here at Groklaw, 4 years ago IBM decided to make Linux a central part of its
whole corporate strategy, and failure here would have very bad consequences.
Here is what I think SCO thought would happen. It would sue IBM accusing it of
giving SCO's code to Linux. Now imagine you are the CIO of a Fortune 500
company, say like Ford, and you are planning a 5 year, 250 million dollar
project to convert your infrastructure over to Linux. But then along comes the
SCO-IBM lawsuit. You think maybe SCO is right and could eventually win. And if
that happened, then maybe a day later a fellow from SCO would show up at your
office and demand that you sign a 100 million a year perpetual licence with them
or they would send in a federal marshall with a court order to shutdown all your
networks at midnight.
That idea would make you very scared, and what would you do? You would go to
IBM and tell them they better settle the lawsuit immediately or they were not
going to take their corporation down the Linux route. And a lot of other
Fortune 500 CTO's would do likewise, and IBM would see its Linux strategy in
mortal danger, and so they would settle on terms highly favorable to SCO.
I think that is what SCO was hopping would happen. And as evidence, remember how
they early on sent a letter to 1,500 large corporations. That is in effect a
list of IBM's main accounts, the source of most of its income. And note SCO
might adopt this strategy whether it really believed it owned code in linux or
not--a bluff still might win them a juicy settlement.
(Part II to follow) david l.[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 10:53 AM EDT |
(Part I)
I think I have figured out a big chunk of what is going on.
I have been very puzzled by SCO's actions on the licenses. If it was planning
to make a lot of money off of them, then why did it announce they were on sale,
but then not actually have them available for a whole month? My mistake was
that I assumed that what they are saying is true.
What SCO says or implies is "We own code in Linux, so every Linux user has to
pay us for a licence (if they don't, they will get sued), and so we are going to
make vast amounts of money" ($4.9 billion, by my calculation, if they are
correct). But we all know SCO lies a lot, so maybe this is a lie, too.
How to find out if it is a lie or not? One way is to figure out what they would
do if they were telling the truth, and then check whether or not it matches
their actual behavior. Now if they really are pushing a riches-through-licenses
scheme, they would almost certainly have started planning it as soon as they
(allegedly) discovered the code in Linux, like back in December. And in that
case, they would have had plenty of time to work on the license, and so it would
have been all ready to go in early August when they announced availability. The
fact they didn't makes me think the license scheme was something they thought up
much later, like say mid-July, and then rushed into action.
Here is another thing. If they were really planning to sell licenses to
everyone, then they would have thought about how many people they would need on
the phones to sell them. Do the math, and you see that if every Linux user was
to buy a license over the course of, say, three years, that would means
something like 100,000 calls a month, and so they would have needed to vastly
expand their phone answering staff. But as far as I can tell, they have not
expanded it at all. That is another reason to believe they really are not
planning on selling licenses, or at least not in any major way like they say
they are.
If that is the case, they why have they kept telling everyone they are going to
sell license to all Linux users? Well, if someone's behavior is puzzling, a good
idea is to start with what you actually know for fact, and a central fact is
that in March they initiated a lawsuit against IBM.
Now almost everyone who has really studied this thinks, for a variety of
reasons, that they are not actually planning to go to trial, but instead are
hoping for a favorable pre-trial settlement from IBM (in fact, one of SCO's
executives said not long after the suit was filed that a buy-out by IBM would be
a satisfactory resolution). And a further point here is that we can be pretty
sure they want that settlement soon, rather than waiting 5 or 10 years as the
case drags through the courts.
Now to get such a settlement, and soon, they have to put pressure on IBM. The
lawsuit is some pressure, but not that much. To start, this is an 80 billion a
year company (as I recall), so a 3.5 billion lawsuit does not really scare them.
Plus they have a strong motive to resist a settlement as long as possible
because to settle early would encourage other small, greedy companies to file
similar suits. And finally, IBM had deep pockets so it can just wait things out
for a number of years before settling.
There is another type of pressure, however, that I think SCO was hopping for,
one would be both immediate and 10 times more powerful than the suit itself.
Remember, and this is something that I think has not received enough discussion
here at Groklaw, 4 years ago IBM decided to make Linux a central part of its
whole corporate strategy, and failure here would have very bad consequences.
Here is what I think SCO thought would happen. It would sue IBM accusing it of
giving SCO's code to Linux. Now imagine you are the CIO of a Fortune 500
company, say like Ford, and you are planning a 5 year, 250 million dollar
project to convert your infrastructure over to Linux. But then along comes the
SCO-IBM lawsuit. You think maybe SCO is right and could eventually win. And if
that happened, then maybe a day later a fellow from SCO would show up at your
office and demand that you sign a 100 million a year perpetual licence with them
or they would send in a federal marshall with a court order to shutdown all your
networks at midnight.
That idea would make you very scared, and what would you do? You would go to
IBM and tell them they better settle the lawsuit immediately or they were not
going to take their corporation down the Linux route. And a lot of other
Fortune 500 CTO's would do likewise, and IBM would see its Linux strategy in
mortal danger, and so they would settle on terms highly favorable to SCO.
I think that is what SCO was hopping would happen. And as evidence, remember how
they early on sent a letter to 1,500 large corporations. That is in effect a
list of IBM's main accounts, the source of most of its income. And note SCO
might adopt this strategy whether it really believed it owned code in linux or
not--a bluff still might win them a juicy settlement.
(Part II to follow) david l.[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 11:01 AM EDT |
> Microsoft has promised to sponsor another 5 mil. in the coming 3 quarters
according to SCO's SEC filing. That may be just enough to keep them in the
black.
You could allege that MS quite like the SCO FUD.
You could even allege that MS were happy to pay, knowing the SCO FUD would
follow. (although I have yet to see any evidence - just lots of unsupported
suspicions - that this is the case).
However, it seems incredibly unlikely to me that Microsoft would want to ensure
SCO has a high stock price, that Darl's options vest, etc. It just not something
that would even potentially care about, even if the tinfoil hat theories were
true.
If MS were to pay SCO for whatever reason (legit license, or if you prefer
tinfoil hat version), it's not like they don't have cash to pay immediately. And
in most business deals, if you pay immediately in one go, you get a better deal
than paying over a period of time.
It seems far more likely to me, that SCO or Darl, was keen on the revenue being
spread over several quarters. After all, they would be the ones who had the real
interest in SCO showing several good quarters?
Also, if somebody said to me, "Okay you've agreed to pay X. Instead of paying it
one go, pay me over a period of time." - I'd hardly be likely to refuse.
For Darl's sake, I think that it would probably be safest, if he got the best
deal (most money and quickest payment terms) he could from MS. He is, after all,
be supposed to be acting in the interest of the stock holders, whose interests
are almost certainly best served by getting the most money as quickly as
posible. quatermass - SCO delenda est[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 11:11 AM EDT |
quatermass: I think they are just cashing in now on the deal. Its a pump, not a
long term goal. Get SCO profitable fast enough and long enough to either get
the stock up or sell it.
David I think your on to something here. The "public" offering of the license
might be required to make the "private" sales of the license legit.
The FUD pressure plays well too. IBM type customers are very conservative and
long term thinkers. They may shy away from Linux because of the "uncertainty"
there. We can afford to buy Sun or SCO or MS/XP. AIX is also "uncertain"
because of SCO suit / drop of license agreement. If you follow your theory here
its about setting long term strategy for IT departments. Like, Textron or Ford
is a MS Windows shop and we won't buy *nix software becuase we don't want to
support two OS's
I think there is a lot more to those license sales to MS, CA and Sun. That's
the key. BubbaCode[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 11:16 AM EDT |
These hypotheses are starting to coalesce very nicely. A possible wrinkle to
bubba's image of McBride handing them all a bill of goods at the start. It's
entirely plausible he didn't know they were cloueless. Or, after the original
IBM strategy outlined by david l fell through, he grasped at straws handed to
him by others (DataCrystal?) who didn't have a clue, either. Either way,
ignorance conspires with malice to yield an industrial-strength stupidly ugly
public performance.
I wonder whether being Darl McBride right now doesn't feel a little like being a
mobster who's been skimming from Tony Soprano's take...it's not nice to fool
Mother Canopy...
One thing they probably need right now, desperately, is to buy a little time.
Hence the introduction of "negotiation" with -- who? McBride is surely vividly
aware that there's nobody on the Open Source side to negotiate *with*. But the
(nice term of art) blather about it can be stretched out indefinitely, or so
they're betting, you have to suspect. Frank Brickle[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 11:17 AM EDT |
I don't know if this repsonse properly belongs here or the open letter area, but
the open letter queue is getting filled, so here it is.
After reading today's correspondence, I have the impression that many in the IT
press don't want to play Darl's game any more. They are more than willing to
accept valid information from other sources and to report on it. Having briefly
been employed as a journalist, I can tell you that what journalists do is not
magic- it's hard work similar to what is being done here, by contributors.
Information has to come from somewhere, and most of what the press has been
receiving has come straight from Darl. I think if we can provide verifiable
information, it will indeed be covered by the press.
I think it is absolutely essential, that if we have information suggesting that
there was no SCO DOS attack, that we provide it. The information should be
verifiable, and we should make no conclusions regarding E. Raymond or his
statement. Darl used raymond's "open letter" to get in a real cheap shot on
open source, but unfortunately, I don't think it would be wise to make
accusations of the sort without proof. But we CAN present the information,
throwing doubt on the whole matter, and I am sure that intelligent readers will
draw valid conclusions. The DOS attacks and allegations are what everyone seems
to be interested in; IMHO, not only inclusion of this information in our open
letter, but presenting our findings to the press as well. wild bill[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 11:22 AM EDT |
David,
Is it possible that MS/Sun bought "license" after they were told privately that
this whole scam will probably get IBM to buy SCO? I.e. for your "license" here
are some shares or options for SCO/Canopy? FUD = presure on IBM to settle = buy
out of SCO = lots of $ for MS/Sun. BubbaCode[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 11:23 AM EDT |
I've been looking at the Canopy Group and it's ceo Ralph Yarro. From what I can
discover Yarro controls policy for Canopy, SCO and the Noorda Family Trust (NFT)
(Ray Noorda I think, but cannot prove, has retired from active involvement in
Canopy.)
All paths lead to NFT and Yarrow. SCO could not act without Yarros approval.
Concentrating on McBride on the assumption he controls policy is probably a
mistake. Darl exists to take the flak and act the fool in public.
Canopy itself is moribund and may well be in the process of being run down, it's
assets being gradually sold off as for as much as possible. If this is true,
taking a high risk legal stratigy such as SCOs, isn't risky to Canopy at all.
For the investment of a few million on lawyers and PR agencies, Canopy just
might get a big pay off. If it all goes wrong, who cares so long as they dump
the shares before IBM attack lawyers rip SCO to shreds and McBride is already in
place as the fall guy.
I've got some additional notes about this theory in http://buffy.sighup.org.uk/sco
/note02.html geoff lane[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 11:23 AM EDT |
Oh, one more thing:
Darl has presented an excellent opportunity for strong rebuttal. Computerwire
has already reported that he lied in his open letter; if evidence can be
presented that Darl lied about the DOS attacks on SCO, it will be very damaging.
Re-reading his letter, I am thinking about a couple of other things that might
prove very damaging to his FUD. Darl has been on the offensive- let's see how
well he handles defense. The minute that SCO has to start defending themselves
in the press is the minute that their FUD ceases to have much effect. Plus, it
will make any other nonsense spewing from Darl much more subject to scrutiny. wild bill[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 11:23 AM EDT |
quartermass: "However, it seems incredibly unlikely to me that Microsoft would
want to ensure SCO has a high stock price, that Darl's options vest, etc. It
just not something that would even potentially care about, even if the tinfoil
hat theories were true."
Microsoft do have an interest: the fact that SCO's stock has risen from below $1
to $18 ever since the beginning of this debacle implies that there is market
confidence in a favourable outcome for them. Also, in the case of Microsoft's
payment over 3 quarter's, don't be suprised if the dollar amount varies
considerable from that decided initially from the outset. I would hypothesise
that these payments will be just enough to show a increase in SCO's overall
quaterly profit for the duration; a further indication to the market that SCO
are suceeding in the battle.
In fact, were it not for these quartly payments, SCO would be, in all
likelyhood, bankrupt by now. This case is FUD by proxy, and has Microsoft's
hands written all over it. Stephen Henry[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 11:26 AM EDT |
paulb, sun got more than a license from sco. sun also received warrants to
purchase 210,000 shares of SCO at $1.83 per share. You can read the 10-Q for
yourself and see this in black and white.
Why do you think that Sun chose to take an equity position in The SCO Group as
part of the deal? mec[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 11:28 AM EDT |
One other thing that needs to be in a historical account is the Shared
Libraries.
In January SCO were talking about Shared Libraries in the press
The early SCOsource presentation talks about this. There is a link in the
presentation to a Linux documentation article (at redhat.com) that says how to
use the shared libraries to run Word Perfect. (incidentally the article says do
not violate SCO's copyrights).
In the SCO complaints there is a shared library section in background facts,
which seems to me kind of disconnected to the rest of the complaint. Except it
crops up again in prayer for relief.
Some how, I think, that we seem to be in a situation now, where the SCO press
line is now about completely different stuff, alleged line-by-line copying,
derivative works, etc. It doesn't seem very likely to be that SCO is really
going to argue that JFS or NUMA comes into Linux from pirating their shared
libraries (but read the prayer for relief in the complaint - may be they
will!)
The other side of the thing, is I doubt too many Linux users are interested in
the SCO shared libraries anyway.
And one other thing, is from what I understand the SCO Linux IP license thing
doesn't include media. So these folks are presumably not going to get a copy of
these shared libraries anyway. So whatever the SCO Linux IP license is supposed
to cover, presumably doesn't cover the shared libraries, at all.
I don't really have an explanation or even a theory, except maybe a speculation
something like: SCO started out with the shared library idea - found that was of
little use - and then moved on - leaving the shared library element of their
legal case, somewhat stranded from their press campaign.
P.S.
Regarding davidl's theory about 1500 companies etc. I don't know what was in
SCO's mind, so I can't say if this was their plan or not.
In my opinion: However, the idea that IBM would abandon a fortune 1500 customer
on a strategic product/platform, just doesn't work for me - it's not how IBM
work - IBM always support strategic products/platforms, if they've made a
commitment to do so. I also think IBM's major customers would know this (and
maybe this even the reason they chose IBM) - and somehow IBM would take care of
any major problem. So, even if davidl's theory about the letters were true, it
would be a major miscalculation by SCO. quatermass - SCO delenda est[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 11:33 AM EDT |
> he grasped at straws handed to him by others (DataCrystal?) who didn't have a
clue, either.
Another thing that I think a historical account needs to have, is why SCO is
still using those SCO forum slides to bolster their arguments.
If they have lots of samples that show alleged code copying, why keep using just
these 2 examples, when even they have (briefly) admitted, one of the examples
shows nothing.
It could almost make you wonder, if those 2 examples are all they have. quatermass - SCO delenda est[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 11:35 AM EDT |
PJ, I have to agree with Don Dugger. I don't find anything particularly spooky
or incriminating in Darl's compensation package. It's normal to pay a CEO with
options, and to tie the options to performance goals, and to make the options
vest over a period of several years, in order to make the guy stick around for
several years and perform for several years.
That said, it is valuable to understand how Darl gets paid, because it will help
in predicting his actions.
I'm waiting with bated breath for the 10-Q for the quarter ended 2003-07-31. I
want to see how many SCO Source customers there were for that quarter.
Hmmm, seems all that I'm doing today is replying negatively to other peopple,
not bringing any fresh info to the tabl. Sorry about that. I'll see if I can
dig up something informative to atone. mec[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 11:40 AM EDT |
Part II
So that is what they were hoping. And in fact, when you realize how important
linux is to IBM, then it becomes virtually certain that threatening IBM's linux
strategy must have been a big part of SCO's plan in filing the lawsuit. It was
a potentially huge weapon, and so of course they would have thought of it.
The problem is the plan didn't work. Some corporations slowed down their linux
programs, but most just kept going. Analysts at first said using Linux was a
real danger, but as the months went by, many of them realized SCO's claims were
dubious. And IBM just dug in for a long battle and showed no interest in
settling.
Here is what I think happened next. A few months after the lawsuit was filed,
SCO realized that IBM's customers had not become afraid and so were not
pressuring IBM, so SCO decided to take more actions to try to instill fear in
them.
SCO had been making threats of suing Linux users, but a threat is not creditable
unless there is some alternative you are offering ("I am going to shoot you" is
not a threat, it is just a statement of what is going to happen next. "I am
going to shoot you if you don't hand over your wallet" is a threat). So they had
to rush put a license program into effect, or at least make it look like they
were, in order to make their suing threat look credible. Another way of making
it appear they were serious and so IBM customers should be afraid was to
announce the invoice program.
Also, note (I should have said this in part I), threatening to sue IBM customers
was supposed to give the customers an additional fear besides the one of SCO
winning the lawsuit against IBM. This was supposed to motivate IBM customers to
tell IBM "settle now and make part of the settlement that they promise not to
sue us, or we won't follow our linux strategy"
So SCO rushed out the license program and also started talking about invoices,
and continued to threaten suing, not because they really thought they could make
vast amounts of money, but all as a way to try to instill fear in IBM customers
who would then pressure IBM into settling.
(Oh, and I just throught of another argument. SCO claims it will make vast
amounts of money from linux licenses. But we all know that if its claims were
shown to be valid, then 1) the code would get written out of Linux, and/or 2)
people would switch to bsd. In either case SCO won't make money. I assume SCO
is smart enough to realize this, so that is a reason to think that it is pushing
the license scheme for some other reason)
However, it seems that the new tactic is not working. Very few companies are
caving in and buying licenses, and IBM is holding to its position, so we can be
pretty sure that its customers are not pressuring it to settle.
So does that mean SCO is going to go ahead and mail invoices and start suing
companies that don't buy its licenses? I doubt it. As many have pointed out,
this would probably not work, and besides would provoke lawsuits and maybe
criminal proceedings.
So here is what I predict. In the coming next few months, SCO will keep saying
it is going to send out invoices and keep saying it is going to sue users, but
it never will. Also (and here I am speculating more), analysts will turn more
against it, the kernel developers will file a lawsuit against SCO, and, maybe
three months from now, SCO will agree to a settlement that is highly in favor of
IBM (ie SCO ceases all claims against Linux, IBM gets Unix, and Canopy has to
sell off half its companies to pay the cash side).
Well, that how I understand things. What do you think? david l.[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 11:46 AM EDT |
brenda mentioned the new article that DiDiot spouted off in. Here is what she
said:
"Some wonder if the Linux community is damaging its cause through such
aggressive behavior. "This is going to hurt the open-source community's
credibility as a whole," DiDio says. "I can't attest to SCO's claims, but they
have the right to file a lawsuit."
Open Source Community aggressive? Seems to me like SCO has been the aggressor,
and the Open Source Community has been on the defensive since the start. Time
that should be changed. Also, anyone has a "right" to file a lawsuit. I could
probably file a lawsuit against Ms, Didiot claiming her idiotic analyses has
caused me great stress- doesn't mean that lawsuit has any validity.
Darl's game plan for a quick settlement with IBM failed. We need to make sure
that the fall-back plan fails too (this FUD campaign and the attempts to drive
SCO's stock prices up). My prediction is that we will be hearing more from the
IT press very soon in regards to SCO's non-existant Linux IP licenses. And also
that the next place of employment for Darl will be the Men's Room of the Salt
Lake City airport. He'll be sitting under a big sign that proclaims "Darl's
Buff and Shine!" While he's shining your shoes, just don't let him con you into
paying him an IP fee for that Linux distro on your laptop..... wild bill[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 11:51 AM EDT |
Okay, here is something informative. In the article that Brenda cites:
http://www
.infoconomy.com/pages/news-and-gossip/group84712.adp
"McBride said that he initiated an investigation into the provenance of Linux
code in January this year after IBM Software Group senior vice president Steve
Mills had pledged at LinuxWorld to 'transport' IBM's knowledge of AIX into
Linux. "That startled us because they have contracts that state that they won't
do things like that," said McBride."
That's false! SCO hired Boies Schiller Flexner weeks before IBMer Steve Mills
spoke at Linux World.
Steve Mills made his speech on Thursday, January 23, 2003.
http://
www.infoworld.com/article/03/01/23/030123hnibmlinux_1.html
But on January 22, 2003, Darl McBride confirmed that SCO had already hired
Boies:
http://news.com.com/2100-1001-9
81569.html
In fact, Maureen O'Gara broke the story of SCO+Boies on January 13, 2003:
http://www.sys-con.com/li
nux/article.cfm?id=381 mec[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 12:03 PM EDT |
brenda banks wrote:
"interesting comment from mandrake "
Hey Brenda, you seem to know where many of the IT media resides. If you were to
send e-mails to these journalists, just pointing out that Darl lied in his open
letter (specifically, about what was in that Computerwire article), I think
there is a good chance this information would be printed. Especially if you
include the URL for the article that Computerwire just published, in which they
point out Darl's mistake...... wild bill[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 12:13 PM EDT |
Here's the story on the shared libraries.
In the early days of Linux migration, some customers wanted to run applications
for SCO on their shiny new linux systems. There are three things needed to make
that happen.
(1) The Linux kernel has to implement the system call interface of SCO
Openserver. Fortunately, that interface is an open interface named ibcs-2
("Intel Binary Compatibility Standard, 2"). The Linux kernel used to come with
a personality module to implement ibcs-2. I haven't checked lately to see if
ibcs-2 is still available.
(2) The customer has to have the SCO application: Oracle, Progress, Wordperfect,
whatever. The customer gets this from the third-party vendor in the usual
way.
(3) The customer's Linux system has to have the system shared libraries that the
application uses. These are libraries such as the standard C library.
You can see a bunch of details for a typical migration here:
http://www.west
net.com/~gsmith/Progress-Linux-FAQ.html#q5
In particular this line:
"Get the files from /shlib from your licensed version of SCO and put them in
the same directory on your Linux machine."
SCO's gripe was that certain unnamed consulting firms were helping customers
migrate by instructing them to copy SCO's shared libraries from the customers'
OpenServer system to the customers' shiny new Linux system, without a license to
make those copies. For a while, SCO was addressing this by offering to sell
"SCO Shared Libraries for Linux". Unlike the "SCO Binary IP License for Linux",
the SCO Shared Libraries for Linux was an actual product with real bits, so that
people can install the bits, and then do new things that they couldn't do before
(run SCO apps on their Linux box).
SCO Shared Libraries for Linux didn't do well in the marketplace. Oracle et al
realized that Linux was big enough for its own native apps, so they started
shipping native Linux apps for Linux, which meant that customers had no need to
run SCO apps on Linux any more.
That explains all the language in the original complaint about how shared
libraries have unique characteristics, that it would be impossible to make a
compatibile replacement without illegally reverse engineering the original
library, and so on. mec[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 12:14 PM EDT |
quartermass, a plausible excuse for only showing the two slides is so as not to
allow any further "evidence" to leak. A more interesting question to ask,
perhaps, is why SCO showed those two examples in such a public way in the first
place. They must have known the code would make its way out of the room...b
style="height: 2px; width: 20%; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: auto;">Black Hat[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 12:16 PM EDT |
It would seem to me that there is a catch 22 in the whole concept of a future
"linux licensing" program that has not been addressed here yet. Even assuming
that some future court indeed does find SCO IP in Linux, the imposition of a
license on that portion of Linux would contradict and invalidate the GPL license
on the rest of the code that is NOT SCO encumbered. So, at best, they would
only be able to provide a partial and broken product with this License of
theirs. SCO would somehow have to demonstrate how all of the non SCO portions
of the Linux code base had been transfered to SCO, and how they had the right to
change the licensing conditions of the remining GPL'd code base. Otherwise,
there would be no functoning "Linux" code base to distribute in the first place.
Their "linux Licensing" program is impossible, even if they win. Tom
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 12:29 PM EDT |
"Some wonder if the Linux community is damaging its cause through such
aggressive behavior. "This is going to hurt the open-source community's
credibility as a whole," DiDio says.
The Didio scenario will work only if she can make the concept of collective
guilt work. Any DDOS attacks would have to be the work of freelance operators
over whom we have no control or influence, as most of us roundly condemn these
attacks. However, in the lovely and tireless Laura Didio's eyes, we are damaging
our credibility because of attacks that we roundly condemn. I wouldn't want to
be the guy who has teach her how to use her head to think logically, because I'd
probably end up heavily sedated in a padded room wearing a shirt whose sleeves
are ties in the back and muttering incoherently to myself. blacklight[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 12:34 PM EDT |
Black Hat wrote:
"quartermass, a plausible excuse for only showing the two slides is so as not to
allow any further "evidence" to leak. A more interesting question to ask,
perhaps, is why SCO showed those two examples in such a public way in the first
place. They must have known the code would make its way out of the room."
Nah- I attribute that to Darl's stupidity. He didn't think that the code would
leave the room because it never occurred to him that someone might photograph
his slide show. Just like he never thought anyone would catch him when he lied
about the Computerwire article. You have to remember- Darl is basically a
bully. Through bluster and bravado, he has gotten his way in the past. Darl
tends to underestimate his opposition, and this is one of the ways he can be
beaten. His planning, IMHO, is slightly amateurish- didn't he think ANYONE
would call SCO and demand to be invoiced when he started SCO's licensing
program? My guess is no, he did not- he thought everyone would be afraid they
might be charged for their Linux distros, and wouldn't dare give their name and
address to SCO.
Darl folded in Germany, when Linuxtag challenged him. He will continue to fold
here, because his plan expects no serious, organized, and rational
counteroffensive. What Darl DOES know how to do very well is play the media.
He's a salesman, and he has some idea of how to manipulate public opinion.
Witness the nonsense about the alleged DOS attack in Darl's open letter, and how
that was set up beforehand. Darl expects no one to challenge this assertion
either, and for his slight against the open source community to go unchallenged
(except perhaps for continued apologies from the open source community)- but
challenging this assertion in the media is the most damaging thing that can be
done to SCO at the moment.
Darl undertands that the more a lie is repeated, the more people will believe
it. Darl's strategy at this moment is dependent on SCO remaining on the
offensive. If they have to regroup and defend themselves, this FUD campaign
starts to fall apart. The FUD has already been stopped in Germany, and it can
be stopped here. The first thing to remember in any counteroffensive planning
is that Darl is not a genius- don't try to attribute any of his actions to some
dark and ingenious "master plan."
It already appears that Boies has jumped ship because he doesn't smell easy
money any more- this is a clear victory. Keep the pressure up on Darl, and he
will start to retreat. wild bill[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 12:35 PM EDT |
Black Hat, I think they showed the slides to calm SCO customers and
distributors. It is entirely possible that they really believed they had
something. Remember we here at Groklaw and readers of many news sources get the
full story, but other may only get the SCO story.
K. Gardner and others: It's probably not about the options. Those are just
pipe dream that maybe Darl could get but he probably doesn't worry about it. My
bet its about basic survival. He trying to not get fired. BubbaCode[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 01:04 PM EDT |
SCO will continue to attack Linux-IBM-GPL et al because it pays them to do so.
It is the only leverage they have to inspire a settlement or buy-out. It also
attracts support from SUN and MS. It is worth a few million a year to MS to
extend the attack on IBM-Linux since it helps to maintain their monopoly at the
rate of a few million dollars a day.
When this started they may have had a good faith belief that their proprietary
code was in Linux. After their disastrous slide show in August, they must fear
that all of their evidence may disappear. If they revealed all their code,
their uncompromised evidence might seem to be a trivial pile. They are more
interested in delaying the process, not resolving it. So they will battle on in
confidentiality and unsubstantiated press releases. At some point they might
start to crumble - lawyers will withdraw and directors will resign, people will
be fired. When they started, their prospects ranged from untold wealth to
corporate bankruptcy. IBM and Linux have not bought them off yet. They have
not checked their evidence nor have they acted with propriety. The range of
their prospects now include sanctions, piercing the corporate veil, personal
bankruptcy and securities and ethical sanctions. They are going to have to show
some substance soon or the walls will start moving. Just matching what has
appeared here on Groklaw is a fromidable task.
So they just want to be MS millionares for a couple more years until this suit
goes to trial. Delay Linux must be their only function. Without MS millions
none of this is happenning. Let us make it too hot for them to continue on this
course. webster[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 01:09 PM EDT |
oh I just remember something that everyone here probably doesn't know. Stock
options become FULLY vested when the company is sold. The buy out cashes out
all option holders like they are fully vested. So the goal in a option heavy
company like SCO is to sell it. The quicker the better. BubbaCode[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 01:19 PM EDT |
wild Bill said:
Darl undertands that the more a lie is repeated, the more people will believe
it. Darl's strategy at this moment is dependent on SCO remaining on the
offensive. If they have to regroup and defend themselves, this FUD campaign
starts to fall apart. The FUD has already been stopped in Germany, and it can be
stopped here. The first thing to remember in any counteroffensive planning is
that Darl is not a genius- don't try to attribute any of his actions to some
dark and ingenious "master plan."
Which gives me an idea. What would it take to cross reference not only Darl's
public statements, but that of McBride, Sontag and Stowel as a whole, and
release a series of refutations that point out the direct prevarications with
the support facts?
This may walk on top of the already existing effort to respond to McBride's open
letter, but there is wisdom in bludegoning your opponent with their own words
and in too many places for them to fight back at the same time.
Thoughts? Paul Penrod[ Reply to This | # ]
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I've said this before, but here goes again.
View the proceedings in this context:
Darl cooks up a plan to extract money from IBM's Linux ventures. Caldera is
failing, and this is the best plan he can devise. His network of contacts
probably includes D. Boies, and Boies smells easy money here, and a lawsuit is
filed. Boies is not an IP lawyer, so he's really not right for the case, but
Darl has sold him on this. The goal is not to win any lawsuit- this is not even
expected to go to trial, or- if it does, to a Utah court, where more friends
probably work.
IBM won't be intimidated and fights back. The case is moved to US court, and we
aren'r hearing any more from Boies. My guess is he doesn't at all want his name
associated with this any more. We have seen the first big mistake, and
re-planning occurs.
Darl, new plan in hand, and bank account and confidence bolstered by cash
infusions from M$ and Sun, starts an offensive in the press. He knows how to
play the press, and knows people will read press releases from Darl McBride, CEO
of SCO. Why do you think the company was renamed the SCO Group anyways? So
people (probably IBM at first) would notice them. Few people know who/what
Caldera is. Darl is also a pretty good manipulator of people, and knows how to
play games with analysts and journalists to present his side of the story alone.
Witness the NDA nonsense regarding alleged code violations. I must admit, this
particular scheme was set up pretty well. Only one participant protested- the
rest agreed with Darl.
Darl probably chuckles every time open source people issue an "open letter"
because he knows that corporate types won't even read them. The open source
people don't wear suits, and don't have CEO after their names.
And now, Darl is on a course that is very dangerous. He either wins completely,
or loses it all. That's why the bluster gets louder and louder. But the flaw
in Darl's planning is that he expects no serious counterattacks, at least until
the trial date. He knows IBM will not openly attack him- they will stay quiet
until the trial. Darl is very surprised when Linuxtag files suit and wins, but
hey so what- that's over in Germany.
Darl is extremely surprised when RedHat files suit, because this was not
expected at all. He whines about IBM "causing all this" and "organizing the
open source community" because this Redhat business could really zap his
get-rich-quick scheme. Darl still isn't very worried about Torvalds or open
source people in general because (in his opinion) they are dopes. They don't
understand how the game is played. Darl McBride, CEO, can stomp on them at any
time. Because he wears a suit and he's a CEO, and people will read his press
releases.
Darl isn't expecting organized resistance from open source players that know how
the game is played, because he thinks everyone in open source is a communist
granola cruncher. That is the big weakness in his plan. When people start
asking about Linux IP licenses, and reporting results to the press, and when his
lies are exposed in the press, this will put Darl on the defensive. All of the
open letters that Raymond and Torvalds and Perens write will not have as much
effect as a single critical article from one of the big IT media houses. That's
just how it is. And why the game must be played in a certain fashion if we want
to see Darl defeated.
This is a street fight, not a tennis match. wild bill[ Reply to This | # ]
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http://tinyurl.com/mu3o
take a look
i was screaming and jumping
my daughter thought i had flipped out and needed the white coats to come get me
hehehehe
dell says no to licenses
br3n brenda banks[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 01:33 PM EDT |
IMO, what happened with the plan going wrong, and the licensing fiasco, is:
nobody at SCOville gave any
advance thought to the GPL. They didn't understand how it works. For that
matter, they still don't totally,
but they know enough to realize that their original plan, to rape and pillage
the code, isn't going to
be liability-free. All the subsequent dancing has been trying to find some
wiggle room to be able to
go forward, but no matter which way they turn, the GPL stands in the way of a
free run. I suspect they
thought they would make money on the licensing of Linux, and plenty of it. I do
believe that was
the original plan. I think they thought they had found a way to destroy the GPL
and steal whatever they
wanted and call Linux theirs. Any bonuses or stock stuff was a side benefit,
not the goal, at least in
my opinion. It was only when they got wind of the GPL's restrictions that
they started
having no way to go forward with the original plan.
I agree with wild bill that handling the "attacks" is vital. The question in my
mind is how to be
effective.
Here we're sharing ideas, because we are writing a community letter, but in the
end product, we must
stick to facts that are provable. The example quatermass provided, for example,
about IBM and Boies'
hiring is so perfect, I'm sending it to the infoconomy guy right now. mec, your
stuff was great too. pj[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 01:36 PM EDT |
wild bill has got it, but Bill the big question and only weak link in your
arguement is why did MS and Sun send money to SCO? It isn't becuase they are
evil or something like that. What did they get for that amount of money. I
don't quite buy the they get that much from the FUD. The FUD is free, why send
money to SCO for it? BubbaCode[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 01:41 PM EDT |
Paul Penrod wrote:
"Which gives me an idea. What would it take to cross reference not only Darl's
public statements, but that of McBride, Sontag and Stowel as a whole, and
release a series of refutations that point out the direct prevarications with
the support facts?"
That's a VG idea. One place to start to gather information might be the "We
Love the SCO Information Minister" website- a parody in the fashion of the "I
Love the Iraqi Information Minister" site. They have a great picture of Darl
wearing a nifty suit and beret <G>. The site used to have a picture of Darl
in a turban, but that's down. Anyways, these guys have been collecting "stupid
Darl comments for awhile.
The key is to get this information into the hands of the IT press. WE all know
the scoop, but most people in business don't. They don't "waste their time" by
going to the "We Love the SCO Information Minister" website, but they read IDG
and ZD publications.
Here's the URL-
http://www.peerfear.org/rss/permalink/2003/08/23/WeLoveTheSCOInformatio
nMinister/ wild bill[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 01:45 PM EDT |
BC wrote:
"wild bill has got it, but Bill the big question and only weak link in your
arguement is why did MS and Sun send money to SCO? It isn't becuase they are
evil or something like that. What did they get for that amount of money. I don't
quite buy the they get that much from the FUD. The FUD is free, why send money
to SCO for it?"
Easily answered- this cash is chump change to Sun and M$. They don't even have
to get their hands dirty, and Linux is getting battered and beaten. Wouldn't
you do it if your software sales were lagging, and you wanted to stop the Linux
juggernaut? the FUD isn't free, for one simple reason. It takes money to stay
in business, and SCO didn't have any money. This infusion of cash means more
FUD production. Gates-Ballmer and others chuckle- that dope McBride is causing
far more damage to Linux than they could have without risking the feds stomping
on them. wild bill[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 02:52 PM EDT |
I think SCOG's original plan was to be bought by IBM.
http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/os/linux/story/0,10801,81709
,00.html
"If there's a way of resolving this that is positive, then we can get back out
to business and everybody is good to go, then I'm fine with that," McBride said
today in an interview with Computerworld. "If that's one of the outcomes of
this, then so be it." May 30, 2003
This has ALWAYS been about how to make money off the remains of SCO
BigTEx BigTex[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 03:04 PM EDT |
http://tinyurl.com/n23v
dont laugh
this is pitiful and ridiculous
br3n brenda banks[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 03:06 PM EDT |
will bill - lots of good stuff today about Darl's state of mind and
understanding of Open Source, but I think it goes beyond even what you've said.
The Open Source community is self organizing. The idea that a bunch of
smart, technical people can create a structure on their own is not just outside
Darl's thinking, it's outside his range of possible thoughts.
Doubtless Darl believes that if he wins control of the Linux code Linus will
become a suit, and he'll relay Darl's orders to Alan Cox and Bruce Perens. ESR,
of course, will be "left behind by the re-organization..."
Years from now, when he's flipping burgers at Jack in the Box, he still won't
understand - he'll just think IBM covered their tracks really good.
Sic Gorgiamus Allos Subjectatos Nunc. Alex Roston[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 03:07 PM EDT |
BC wrote: "wild bill has got it, but Bill the big question and only weak link in
your arguement is why did MS and Sun send money to SCO? It isn't becuase they
are evil or something like that. What did they get for that amount of money. I
don't quite buy the they get that much from the FUD. The FUD is free, why send
money to SCO for it?"
wild bill gave one answer. While I can't say what Sun's reason is, there are
compelling reasons for MS. Anyone with any technical sense could see this would
result in SCO either being bought out or destroyed, with the money being on
destroyed. It has been pointed out that SCO is part of Canopy which is Ray
Norda's company. Now Ray and Billy Boy don't get along too well. Maybe this is
Billy's way of getting back at Ray. For a little bit of money, Ray loses part of
his company in a most spectacularly messy manner. Billy Boy sits back in his
castle and smirks at the irony that by giving his enemy a little cash, he helps
destroy them.
Yet another answer is, given that the destruction of SCO was assured to anyone
with technical sense, this was a cheap and easy way to destroy yet another
competitor. No, not Linux, but UnixWare/OpenServer. Everyone knows that Billy
Boy wants Windows to be the only player at the table. He's already managed to
destroy NeXT and BeOS. Getting rid of the so-called "True" UNIX would be a sweet
victory indeed. Billy Boy probably already has a spot on his mantle for the head
once it's back from the taxidermist.
It's probably not one answer over the others but a combination of all of them.
You can see that they all have merit and gave Billy Boy great personal
satisfaction, all for a few measly millions. J.F.[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 03:13 PM EDT |
wild bill wrote:
The key is to get this information into the hands of the IT press. WE all know
the scoop, but most people in business don't. They don't "waste their time" by
going to the "We Love the SCO Information Minister" website, but they read IDG
and ZD publications.
There is also one more thing that is vital (IMO) to make the point stick, and
that is to get the reporter/analyst to ask the rhetorical question: "Darl,
you've misled us about 'X', 'Y', 'Z', so why should we trust what you have to
say?" or something to that affect. With the facts in play for all to see and the
obvious question asked, this will put him on the defensive. Whenever he tries to
steer the subject away from the problem, it's a segue for the IT reporters to
come back to. The thing I feel good about is that the question is a legitimate
one as it stems from the simple observation of his words vs his words/actions
and what really is. So, this is not being mean spirited, but rather telling
truth with a little strategem. :-)
One other side thought, it might be an interesting exercise to plot the price
history and volume of SCOX stock against the timing of each Press Release with
the tagged falsehoods in it, in order to see if there is any obvious
correlation. This may involve taking into account Wall Street friends and family
like Johnathan Cohen, et. al. Paul Penrod[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 03:18 PM EDT |
Hey all= Darl reads Slashdot <G>.
"They need to come over here and read Slashdot. That part of it is not the most
exciting part of your life." From:
http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/os/linux/story/0,10801,84819
,00.html wild bill[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 03:19 PM EDT |
I like David L's theory about pressurising IBM through its customers to get them
to settle, but he omitted to mention suspending the AIX license as another force
(the Dynix license hardly counts).
And Darl's compensation package explains a lot about his motives and actions. 4
profitable quarters in succession in just over two years is hard to do,
especially if there's an annual customer buying cycle. Many companies expect to
make an operating loss over the summer.
On the invoices, I don't think we can expect to see any soon. What would they
put on the invoice? If you look at the price list, you will see that it is
non-linear per number of CPUs per machine. Nobody needs to count Linux CPUs at
present and putting an audit system in place just for this costs more money. And
what about the zSeries (S/390) mainframes, how do you charge for those (virtual
CPUs, 10,000 Linux images under z/VM)? I guess they could offer site licenses at
0.01% of annual turnover. That'll be $8,000,000 from IBM and getting on for a
billion over the top 1000 companies please. Since SCO have said they aren't
going after their own customers, I wonder if having just one OpenServer license
will absolve a company of the need to pay out $1m for Linux Licenses?
With numbers like this, expect invoice recipients, their accountants and lawyers
(clued up from reading sites like this :-), to argue over the validity and Ts &
Cs of the invoice and license before shelling out. Money will be very slow
coming in if it ever does.
Now this suggests to me that we have another potential audience that we need to
reach. How many accountants and lawyers read the tech press and are aware of the
issues? What do they read? How do we 'suggest', without giving legal advice or
emphasizing/evangelizing the social aspects that might turn them off, that
supporting the GPL and not paying the invoice is the right and legal thing to
do? Chris Priest[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 03:22 PM EDT |
Darl claims to have the "moral high ground"!
http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/os/linux/story/0,10801,84819
,00.html
It's infuriating!
We REALLY need to get all his lies together in one place, suitable for press
consumption. Jeremy Stanley[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 03:25 PM EDT |
you all find it funny?
i just got sick
the guy is so so weaselly brenda banks[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 03:31 PM EDT |
brenda banks wrote:
"you all find it funny? i just got sick the guy is so so weaselly "
Of COURSE he's weaselly! And we can pin him down and show everybody else how
weaselly he is. Computerworld might be one of the first to print some pretty
devastating stuff about Darl. I did think it was funny that Darl read Slashdot,
and sent Slashdot this URL..... wild bill[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 03:35 PM EDT |
"Response Wild Bill: Hey all= Darl reads Slashdot <G>
http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/os/linux/story/0,10801,84819,00.html
" I wish I could stop laughing...that was the funniest thing I've read in
years...I liked the ending...oh Gosh...Poor SCO...Oh my...I still can't stop
laughing. Thanks for the link... J. Hendricks[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 03:44 PM EDT |
Mr. Weiss has been blasted as follows:
Dear Mr. Weiss,
I just read your interview with Darl McBride, and it looks to me like you let
him off much too easily.
Why didn't you confront him about how he misquoted Perens? (I've provided a URL
to the original Perens piece below.)
http://perens.com/Articl
es/SCO/SCOSlideShow.html
Compare that with what McBride said.
http://www.sco.com/company/openlet
ter/
Perens didn't come anywhere near making the admission of guilt McBride
claims.
Why didn't you ask McBride if the letter was prompted by the analyses of the
code shown at SCO-Forum which proved that the code was not stolen as per these
analysis below?
http://www.lemis.com/g
rog/SCO/code-comparison.html http://www.catb.org
/~esr/writings/smoking-fizzle.html
Why didn't you ask him if the fact that IBM owns both the copyrights and patents
to RCU, NUMA, and JFS is responsible for his more conciliatory tone? (note
particularly the interview with Blake Stowell in the middle of the story.)
http
://mozillaquest.com/Linux03/ScoSource-24-Copyrights_Story01.html
McBride said, "However, IBM and other Linux vendors are reportedly unwilling to
provide intellectual property warranties to their customers." So why didn't you
confront him on the question of how much indemnification SCO offers his
customers? Why didn't you confront him on the issue that if SCO wins money from
IBM and charges customers who bought the Linux software in good faith for a
license fee they will be double dipping, a practice which the courts frown
upon?
Why didn't you ask him if SCO's legal losses in Germany are responsible for his
more conciliatory tone?
http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/os/linux/story/0,10801,84564
,00.html
It looks to me like you gave him a free ride when you should have been answering
the hard questions. It looks to me like you didn't do your research. (I'd start
here. The author does an excellent job of covering every issue in the
drama.)
http
://radio.weblogs.com/0120124/stories/2003/06/24/scoArchives.html
Bad journalist. No biscuit. Alex Roston[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 03:56 PM EDT |
> Boies is not an IP lawyer,
(Assuming this is true)
But he is famous.
Which makes me wonder they picked him, instead of an IP lawyer. quatermass - SCO delenda est[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 11 2003 @ 03:58 PM EDT |
Re: Comments about the sharing of ideas with Journalists.
In my view, Journo's are generally trying to increase their reader/viewer
numbers (apologies to those I slight by this gross generalisation). This brings
in numbers, which eventually brings in ads and hence revenue, and "by the way:
great job of increasing readership, here's a pay rise".
So they want readers, and the most common way of getting readers is to be
controversial - that gets people hooked nicely. Witness the type of story on the
various "Curent Affair" style programs. "Evil Tradesperson/Landlord/Company
director etc etc etc". The taller the poppy the better the story.
A TV series here in Aust. some years ago satarised these shows brilliantly:
"FrontLine".
Well the "Tallest Poppy" in the IT industry is currently Linux and Open Source.
Strongly hyped. Lots of serious attention, lots of serious money. So the
journo's get their numbers up by arguing that maybe TSG has a case after all.
Linux etc folk get upset, rant and rave on boards and in Letters to Editors etc.
Editors are thrilled.
But now we seem to be seeing a shift in the Tall Poppy (Ha originally typed
Poopy - inadvertant slip or subconscious realisation! ;-) ) - Darl McBride, CEO.
Oh dear a "CEO" has been caught lying. Shame Shame Shame. Esp as he's no longer
attacking IBM - he's no longer the underdog. He's seen now as the bully
attacking the software coders, many of whom probably work in Fortune 1500
companies and are actually known to their senior management to a greater or
lesser degree. Oops.
"We can't really get much milage out of those long haired hippy types in the
linux/open source world - everyone expects them to be barbarians, but a real
live CEO, with a faint hint of Enron/HIA around them - WhooHoo, here we
go!".
I strongly feel, that the more links to previous articles we can send to various
journo's with the more mainstream IT mags/newspapers, of Darl and Co's
contradictions; the more we can get that aroma of Controvosy so loved by the
modern journo. And hence up the defensive posture on TSG.
The downside is that we could end up making Darl the underdog again.
- Steve M Steve McI[ Reply to This | # ]
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