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SCO Responds to Novell's Objection With Some Very Tricky Dance Moves - Updated 3Xs |
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Monday, February 14 2011 @ 06:26 AM EST
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SCO has responded to Novell's Objection to the proposed sale of most of SCO's assets. Novell's objection is irrelevant, SCO claims, because SCO doesn't intend to assume and assign the 1995 APA.
Novell argued that "It follows by the Debtors' own admission that to operate the Business as defined [by] the unXis APA, unXis (or any other buyer) needs access to the copyrighted material that the Debtors licensed from Novell. In other words, any buyer of the Business must have the Debtors assume and assign their Novell copyright licenses.... Finally, and of the utmost importance, Original APA Section 9.5(c) expressly prohibits its assignment by SCO without Novell’s consent. "
Here's SCO's workaround.
Instead of assuming the APA and assigning it, SCO says it will sell only what the court said it owns, UnixWare, and then it will *sublicense* the software business:
The Sublicense Agreement will grant to unXis a
perpetual, non-exclusive, royalty-free right and sublicense to use the Licensed Properties
consistent with the ordinary course manner in which the Debtors have done so historically. Wait. What? Done so historically? Let's look at this claim a little more closely to see if it's true.
Here are the filings:
02/13/2011 - 1233 -
Declaration Of William M. Broderick In Support Of The Motion Of The Chapter 11 Trustee For Order (1) Authorizing The Marketing, Auction And Sale Of Substantially All Of The Debtors Software Business Assets Consistent With Form Asset Purchase Agreement And Free And Clear Of Liens, Claims And Encumbrances, (2) Authorizing Assumption, Assignment, And Sale Of Certain Executory Contracts And Unexpired Leases, (3) Approving Bidding Procedures In Connection With Auction, (4) Establishing Sale Hearing Date And (5) Granting Related Relief (related document(s) 1141 ) Filed by Edward N. Cahn, Chapter 11 Trustee for The SCO Group, Inc., et al.. (Attachments: # 1 Exhibit 1# 2 Exhibit 2 # 3 Exhibit 3# 4 Exhibit 4 # 5 Exhibit 5 # 6 Exhibit 6 # 7 Exhibit 7 # 8 Exhibit 8 # 9 Exhibit 9 # 10 Exhibit 10) (Tarr, Stanley) (Entered: 02/13/2011)
02/13/2011 - 1234 - Reply of the Chapter 11 Trustee to Objection of Novell, Inc. to Sale (related document(s) 1225 ) Filed by Edward N. Cahn, Chapter 11 Trustee for The SCO Group, Inc., et al. (Tarr, Stanley) (Entered: 02/13/2011)
02/13/2011 - 1235 - Certification of Counsel Regarding Motion of the Chapter 11 Trustee Pursuant to Sections 105 and 363(b)(1) of the Bankruptcy Code for Order Authorizing Expansion of Scope of Retention of King & McCleary, LLC to Perform Certain Tax Return Services (related document(s) 1218 , 1230 ) Filed by Edward N. Cahn, Chapter 11 Trustee for The SCO Group, Inc., et al.. (Tarr, Stanley) (Entered: 02/13/2011)
Here's what all the exhibits are attached to William Broderick's Declaration:
- Exhibit 1: The proposed Sublicense Agreement between SCO and UnXis
- Exhibit 2: AT&T/Sun Microsystems License Agreement
- Exhibit 3: USL Software Agreement
- Exhibit 4: Novell/Super Computers International 1995 Software Agreement
- Exhibit 5: Santa Cruz/Samsung 1997 Software Agreement
- Exhibit 6: Caldera/Cisco 2002 Reference Software Agreement
- Exhibit 7: SCO Group/Northrop Grumman 2003 Reference Software Agreement
- Exhibit 8: Caldera/Samsung 2002 Source for Support Agreement
- Exhibit 9: Caldera/Trusted Systems on the Net 2002 Reference Software Agreement
- Exhibit 10: 1995 Fax from Louis Ackerman at Novell to Steve Sabbath at Santa Cruz
So, in SCO's perfect world, it doesn't have to pay Novell the $3 million it owes in order to sell the assets off, I gather, because it's only sublicensing the parts of the software business it doesn't own, not selling it. Except the UnXis press release said it bought the software business. It didn't mention sublicensing anything.
And William Broderick provides a Declaration swearing by heaven, so to speak, that this is perfectly normal, just a typical sublicensing arrangement. He actually declares under penalty of perjury that there is no difference between the old deals and the proposed new one:
13. I have reviewed and am familiar with the Asset Purchase Agreement by and
between The SCO Group, Inc. and SCO Operations, Inc. and unXis, Inc. (the “Agreement”),
including the Sublicensing Agreement attached thereto as Exhibit “C.” A true and correct copy
of the Sublicensing Agreement is attached hereto as Exhibit 1. The Sublicensing Agreement,
which grants a sublicense to unXis, is substantially similar to third-party source-code license
agreements executed by SCO and each of its predecessors with respect to the Software
Business: AT&T, USL, Novell, and Santa Cruz. True and correct copies of third-party source-code license agreements executed by (i) AT&T with Sun Microsystems, Inc., (ii) USL with
U.S. Amada, Ltd., (iii) Novell with Supercomputers International, and (iv) Santa Cruz with
Samsung Electronics, Co., Ltd., respectively, each of which are attached hereto as Exhibits 2-5.
14. Furthermore, the Sublicensing Agreement attached as Exhibit “C” to the
Agreement is substantially similar to third-party source-code license agreements historically
executed by Caldera/SCO. A true and correct copy of the third-party source-code license
agreements executed by Caldera/SCO with (i) Cisco Systems, (ii) Northrop Grumman Space
and Mission Systems Corp, (iii) Samsung Electronics, Co., Ltd., and (iv) Trusted Systems on
the Net, Co., Ltd., respectively, is attached hereto as Exhibits 6-9.
15. Accordingly, SCO, along with its predecessors with respect to the Software
Business, have historically, in the ordinary course of such business, executed third-party
source-code license agreements (including all copyrights necessary thereto – and
notwithstanding any issues as to whether such successor owned, licensed or otherwise had the
right to use the same). Pursuant to the Sublicense Agreement, SCO is granting a nonexclusive
third-party source-code license, among other things, in nearly identical form to which it has
historically done without objection from Novell. Indeed, as outlined in paragraph 13 above,
Novell similarly licensed source-code to third-parties in the course of conducting the Software
Business.
16. Moreover, Novell provided the third-party source-code license agreement form
to SCO and suggested to SCO that it should proceed in the same manner, utilizing substantially
the same form of source-code license agreement Novell had used historically. A true and
correct copy of a UnixWare transition team document from Novell (Lou Ackerman) to Santa
Cruz (the “Transition Document”) is attached hereto as Exhibit 10. In the Transition
Document, Novell requests that Santa Cruz confirm it intends to:
1. Use the standard Software Agreement and Sublicensing
Agreement currently used by Novell, with the exception of the
necessary name and address changes, for any new customers,
2. Use the current UnixWare product schedules with the necessary
name and address change where appropriate, and
3. Use the existing schedules for SVRx and Auxiliary Products with
the necessary name and address changes when appropriate. 17. Finally, as noted above, SCO, along with its predecessors with respect to the
Software Business, have historically, in the ordinary course of such business, executed third-party source-code license agreements. Pursuant to the Sublicense Agreement, SCO is granting
a nonexclusive third-party source-code license, among other things, in nearly identical form to
which it has historically done without objection from Novell.
I don't think he read that last exhibit carefully enough. It is a fax dated November 1995, and it includes this paragraph:I have also asked John Maciaszek to investigate the approval process we
should use on any agreement requiring the use of non-standard terms and
conditions. I would prefer that there be a method in place that has an SCO
employee authorizing any agreement that uses non-standard T's & C's since
these will be executed by Novell employees. Currently Novell has a two
signature approval on any Special or Standard Pricing Letter where the
Director in charge of the Business Unit that owns the product signs off in
addition to the Regional Controller. That seems clearly to indicate that Novell knew it would still have rights post closing to control some of the software business and had to sign off on certain types of deals. The UnXis plan doesn't seem to have any recognition of those Novell rights, and if Novell has to sign off on certain kinds of deals, how can SCO ignore the APA, which is the document that gave Novell those rights? And that's why Novell is objecting. I mean, SCO owes Novell a royalty stream, under the APA. What are they saying? That they can just wipe that away forever? They can sublicense the software business and then nobody owes Novell anything any more? Nice trick. I'd like to do that with my mortgage. Anyone want to sublicense it? I'll let you have the third floor and the attic, and I'll stay in the rest, and neither of us has to pay the monthly mortgage, because I'll sublicense the mortgage to you with the proviso that you don't take on my liabilities, and I'll tell the bank I sublicensed my mortgage and so neither of us needs to pay the bank anything. Sound like a plan? I don't think the bank would agree, even if I filed for bankruptcy. In other words, what SCO seems to be trying to do is to escape the $3 million debt, and rather than transferring it to UnXis, force Novell, after winning the litigation, to have to start all over again by having to sue UnXis, who will argue they got what they got without liabilities. Blech. And when SCO disappears into the ether? Who pays Novell then? In effect, SCO wants the benefits of the APA so it can sublicense them, but without the responsibilities that would come with assuming the APA.
But did you notice that none of the exhibits that Broderick includes show a "substantial similarity" to the UnXis deal? The grant of rights sections aren't even close, and not one of the exhibits is called a sublicensing agreement, except for the proposed one to UnXis.
What should that tell us, class, about SCO's portrayal of similarity? The long list of exhibits are where what was being offered was a *license*, not a *sub*license. Lets compare some of the grant of rights sections. For example, in Exhibit 2, there are a couple of paragraphs in the Grant of Rights section that state what Sun, the "licensee," could and couldn't do:
2.01 AT&T-IS grants to LICENSEE a personal, nontransferable and
nonexciusive right to use in the United States each SOFTWARE PRODUCT
identified in the one or more Supplements hereto, solely for LICENSEE'S own
internal business purposes and solely on or in conjunction with DESIGNATED
CPUs for such SOFTWARE PROOUCT. Such right to use includes the right to
modify such SOFTWARE PRODUCT and to prepare derivative works based on
such SOFTWARE PRODUCT, provided that any such modification or derivative
work that contains any part of a SOFTWARE PRODUCT subject to this
Agreement is treated hereunder the same as such SOFTWARE PRODUCT.
AT&T-IS claims no ownership interest in any portion of such a modification or
derivative work that is not part of a SOFTWARE PRODUCT....
2.06. No right is granted by this Agreement for the use of SOFTWARE
PRODUCTS directly for others, or for any use of SOFTWARE PRODUCTS by
others, except LICENSEE'S contractors pursuant to Section 2.02, unless such uses
are permitted for a particular SOFTWARE PRODUCT by specific provision in
the Schedule for such SOFTWARE PRODUCT. For example, use of a
SOFTWARE PRODUCT in a time.sharing service or a service·bureau operation is
permitted only pursuant to such a specific provision.
This isn't a third-party deal, as William Broderick argues in his Declaration. AT&T owned Unix, the copyrights, and all, and it licensed to Sun, not sublicensed. Ditto with USL. Ditto with Novell. There's nothing third party about it, because each owned it all, the whole enchilada. By the way, isn't it
fascinating to see that SCO had this contract in hand all the time it was claiming an ownership interest in all modifications and derivative works in the IBM case. Samsung's Exhibit 5 contract has the same language. What phony baloneys they always are.
And now the claim that sublicensing is perfectly normal and exactly the way SCO and its predecessors have always done business. But it's obvious that Sun was quite limited in what it could do. And it was a licensee, not a third party sublicensee. Here's Northrop Grumman's 2003 license terms in the Grants of Rights section: 3. GRANT OF RIGHTS
3.1 Subject to the provisions and during the term of this License, SCO grants to Licensee a personal,
nontransferdble, nonassignable and nonexclusive limited right to use, in the United States, the Reference
Software Product solely for Licensee's own internal business purposes for reference purposes only.
Such right to use does not include any right to:
1) modify such Reference Software Product or prepare derivative works based on such Reference Software
Product; or
2) to distribute, to any other party, Reference Software Product; or
3) in the case of Object Code portions, if any, of Reference Software Product, to reverse engineer, reverse
compile, disassemble or otherwise attempt to derive the Source Code of such portions.
3.2 No right is granted by this License for the use of Reference Software Product directly for others, or for any use
of Reference Software Product by others. 3.3 No right is granted to Licensee to allow anyone other than Licensee's employees to use Reference Software
Product. The term "employees" as used in this License means both direct and contract employees. If SCO were asking to make a deal like this with UnXis, I don't think there would be any issues. But
notice the same section in the UnXis agreement, the Grants of Rights section that we just saw in the earlier agreements, and notice how very, very different it is:
1. GRANT OF RIGHTS
1.1 Sublicensor grants to Sublicensee a personal, nontransferable (except as provided in
Section 9), nonexclusive, non-sublicenseable (except as provided herein), royalty
free right and sublicense to use the Licensed Properties, as defined in the Purchase
Agreement, which shall include the copyrights owned by Novell, Inc., as determined
in the Memorandum Decision and Order Denying SCO's Renewed Motion for
Judgment as a Matter of Law, or in the Alternative, for a New Trial and by the
Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law of the United States District Court of Utah
on June 10, 2010, in accordance with this Agreement, including the right to modify
and create derivative works of such Licensed Properties.
1.2 Sublicensee shall not have the right to, and agrees that it shall not, sublicense,
distribute or otherwise provide, disclose or transfer the Licensed Properties, in whole
or in part, to any third party except as provided below in this Section 1. Sublicensee
shall maintain the Licensed Properties in strict confidence in accordance with the
confidentiality provisions of this Agreement. 1.3 (a) Sublicensee may create and sublicense binary products of the Licensed
Properties solely in conjunction with Sublicensee's use of the Acquired Assets,
as defined in the Purchase Agreement.
(b) Sublicensee may distribute such binary products of the Licensed Properties and
any other modifications or derivative works based upon the Licensed Properties
on terms consistent with the terms and conditions ofthis Agreement.
(c) Sublicensee may permit access to Licensed Properties by its contractors and
allow use of Licensed Properties by its contractors, provided such access and
use is exclusively for Sublicensee in connection with work called for in written agreements between Sublicensee and such contractors in accordance with
Section 1.3(1) of this Agreement.
(d) Any claim, demand or right of action arising on behalf of a contractor from the
furnishing to it or use by it of Licensed Properties shall be solely against
Sublicensee.
(e) Contractors shall agree to the same responsibilities and obligations and other
restrictions pertaining to the use of Licensed Properties as those undertaken by
Sublicensee under this Agreement.
Do I even need to explain how different this is? And what does it mean to SCO that they purport to grant UnXis a right to use Novell's copyrights?
Compare that language with Exhibit 9, the Caldera agreement, which you might think would be more like a third-party sublicense, if anything would be, in that Caldera never owned the copyrights:
3. GRANT OF RIGHTS
3.1 Subject to the provisions and during the term of this Agreement, Caldera grants to Licensee a
personal, nontransferable, nonassignable and nonexclusive limited right to use the Reference
Software Products that are identified in one or more Exhibits hereto, solely for Licensee's own
internal business purposes. Such right to use does not include any right to:
(a) modify such Reference Software Products or prepare derivative works based on such Reference
Software Products; or
(b) to distribute, to any other party, Reference Software Products; or
(c) in the case of object code portions, if any, of Reference Software Products, to reverse engineer,
reverse compile, disassemble or otherwise attempt to derive the source code of such portions.
3.2 No right is granted by this Agreement for the use of Reference Software Products directly for
others, or for any use of Reference Software Products by others unless such uses are permitted for
the associated Caldera Software Products in the applicable Exhibits for such Caldera Software
Products.
3.3 No right is granted to Licensee to allow anyone other than Licensee's employees to use Reference
Software Products unless such uses are permitted by a specific provision in the Exhibits for the
associated Caldera Software Products. The term "employees" as used in this Agreement means
both direct and contract employees.
See any substantial similarity to the UnXis agreement? I don't either. But SCO is saying, in effect, that if Caldera could license, so can they. But look a little more closely. What was Caldera licensing? It was not Unix or UnixWare. This is an agreement licensing Caldera's Linux product, not Unix: "WHEREAS, Caldera is a licensor, manufacturer and distributor of Caldera, third party Open Source software
and related products, materials and services..." it begins. It didn't create most of the software, but this has nothing to do with Unix or UnixWare. I couldn't make this stuff up.
They are so sloppy. And yet so devilishly clever and serpentine at the same time. These are just things I'm noticing in a quick reading off the top of my head. I'm sure we'll notice many more details later.
Yet
Edward Cahn, SCO's Ch. 11 Trustee, scornfully writes:
Novell objects to the sale of the Software Business merely for the sake of objecting. The
Novell Objection is irrelevant and without merit as it once again asserts that the Trustee cannot
sell the Software Business without paying the piper – namely Novell – by assuming and
assigning the Novell Santa Cruz APA (the “1995 APA”) and paying Novell in excess of $3
million. It is evident that Novell has not even read the sale agreement with unXis, Inc. (the “Sale
Agreement”) or the Trustee’s omnibus reply [Docket No. 1156] (the “Omnibus Reply”) to,
among other things, Novell’s earlier reservation of rights with respect to the Sale Motion. The Trustee does not seek to assume nor assign the 1995 APA, or any agreements with Novell, and
therefore the Novell Objection is non-responsive to the Sale Motion and should be disregarded.
Since the Sale Agreement does not impermissibly affect Novell’s rights, Novell has no valid
grounds on which to object to the sale – so Novell simply regurgitates prior objections, without
application to the transaction contemplated by the Sale Agreement. Specifically, Novell
incorrectly asserts that (i) the Debtors must assume and assign all of the “Original APA
Agreements” (referred to herein as the 1995 APA) and (ii) the Debtors must pay the full amount
of the Novell judgment and costs in order to assume the “Original APA”. (See generally Novell
Objection at ¶¶ 15-20). None of these statements are true.
I'm not sure it's wise for SCO to bring up the subject of truth. Of course Novell will have an opportunity to respond. And I'm guessing it will be a scorcher.
Update: It occurs to me that I should show you what Judge Ted Stewart wrote about the copyrights in his June 10, 2010 order, since SCO references his definition of "Novell's copyrights":
After its deliberations, the jury found that the amended Asset Purchase Agreement ('APA') did not transfer the UNIX and UnixWare copyrights from Novell to SCO....
There was substantial evidence that Novell made an intentional decision to retain ownership of the copyrights. For instance, Tor Braham, outside counsel for Novell and lead drafter of the APA, testified that Novell was selling to Santa Cruz the UnixWare business and retaining the UNIX business. Mr. Braham testified that the exclusion of the copyrights was agreed upon by the parties. Mr. Braham stated that the purpose for excluding the copyrights was to protect Novell's interest in the UNIX business that it had retained.
Mr. Braham's testimony is supported by James Tolonen, Novell's Chief Financial Officer at the time of the APA and Amendment No. 2, who testified that the copyrights were purposefully excluded from the assets to be transferred to Santa Cruz. Mr. Tolonen explained that retaining the copyrights was: (1) "part of [Novell's] strategy and really necessary under the nature of the transaction"; (2) necessary because Santa Cruz was relatively small and could not afford the entire value; (3) necessary to avoid ownership issues with other products; and (4) necessary because of concerns with the long-term viability of Santa Cruz.
That testimony is further supported by Michael Defazio, an executive vice president at Novell at the time of the APA, who testified that the intent of the APA was not to transfer the copyrights and that the copyrights were retained as a way to "bulletproof" Novell's financial asset stream....
SCO relies on Recital A in arguing that SCO acquired the "Business," which is defined as "the business of developing a line of software products currently known as Unix and UnixWare, the sale of binary and source code licenses to various versions of Unix and UnixWare, the support of such products and the sale of other products which are directly related to Unix and UnixWare." SCO, however, ignores Recital B which states that Santa Cruz would only acquire "certain assets." Those "certain assets" are set forth in more detail in Schedule 1.1(a) and do
not include the excluded assets set out in Schedule 1.1(b). Under the plain language of the original APA, the copyrights were excluded from the transaction.
SCO also points to Section II of Schedule 1.1(a), which transferred "[a]ll of [Novell's] claim arising after the Closing Date against any parties relating to any right, property or asset included in the Business." However, SCO provided no evidence of any such claims that it was entitled to pursue.
Based on the above, the Court finds that SCO is not entitled to judgment as a matter of law on its claim for copyright ownership. See anything about a right to sublicense its right to develop and sell software? Not. Also, while SCO is saying that it owns UnixWare, it actually doesn't own the copyrights to UnixWare pre-1996 either. It owns the UnixWare business and that's it. It doesn't own a thing about Unix, except whatever it developed itself. As for the bulletproof revenue stream the contract intended, SCO thumbs its nose at the contract and its intent that they signed off on. It wouldn't surprise me to see Boies Schiller submit something like this. They have no soul, I've decided. But what a cynical bunch Blank Rome turns out to be. I bet when they were in law school, they never dreamed they'd file something like this. And when their moms ask them how it's going at work is, this isn't the case they like to tell her about. "Great, Mom. I figured out a way to help a bankrupt company avoid paying anything it owes. They pay me instead. Hahaha." Would she be proud? Just saying. "And Mom, it's all being preserved for history by the Library of Congress!" Yes, for generations to come, if the world doesn't end, historians and law students will marvel at the SCO legal work product. It's a kind of immortality.
: D And how'd you like to be William Broderick's mom?
Update 2: I thought of something else. What about trade secrets and know how? If you recall, Allison Amadia testified that both stayed with Novell unless needed for the contemplated Santa Cruz business:
A. Well, I can tell you that Amendment Number 2
attempted to clarify that and make it clear that whatever
copyright rights, whatever specific rights under copyright law
that Santa Cruz needed in order to exercise their rights to do
this business that they did obtain them under the original
APA. So if they needed trade secret rights in order to run
their business then they acquired them.
Q. I'm not asking you about copyright, though. I'm
asking you about trade secrets. That's a discrete subject
matter. It's a discrete form of intellectual property; right?
A. Yes.
Q. And there are no trade secrets identified in the
excluded assets schedule in the APA; correct?
A. Correct.
Q. So it falls that they must be included if they
exist in UNIX and UnixWare; correct?
A. No. The excluded asset schedule is more, for lack
of a better term, what we call belts and suspenders. So
really what is included or what are included in
Schedule 1.1(a), there really isn't an actual need to have a
list of excluded assets except to indicate without, you know,
any doubt that these things are not included. So the fact
that trade secrets aren't excluded doesn't mean they were
included.
Q. So your testimony is after the APA signed no one
owned the trade secrets in UNIX and UnixWare; is that right?
A. No. After the APA was signed Novell owned the
trade secrets in UNIX and UnixWare.
Q. But they're not in the excluded assets schedule. I
thought that's where you said the intellectual property was
excluded.
A. It doesn't have to be in there.
Q. Why not?
A. The excluded asset schedule typically is a list of
items that the parties think of and agree are not included,
but it's not exhaustive. What's exhaustive is the schedule of
included assets.
Q. Why would one be exhausted and one not be
exhausted?
A. Because it's very clear in the section that refers
to the schedule that what is being sold is what is in
Schedule 1.1(a).
Q. So that long language I read at the beginning of
the Schedule 1.1(a) and bored the jury with, you don't regard
that language which ends with the phrase, without limitation
as being exhaustive; is that your testimony?
A. No. I didn't say 1.1(a) wasn't exhaustive. It is.
It's limited to what is in that schedule. 1.1(b) is
exhaustive.
Q. So your testimony is that Novell may have excluded
other assets that it did not identify in the excluded asset
schedule?
A. Yes.
Q. And your testimony would be the same with respect
to know-how?
A. I was just going to say, know-how is another way.
Know-how isn't mentioned in either included or excluded.
Q. And so you presume that it is excluded if it's not
mentioned at all?
A. Yes.
By the way, she is absolutely correct about that being the case with the APA. If you look at the Schedules referenced, and I must warn that this document [PDF] is 98 pages long, the excluded assets schedule, on page 62 of the PDF, specifically says that excluded are anything not on the included assets list. So how can either be used without Novell's approval? In fact, her testimony was that anything not listed in the included assets section of the APA was excluded, not just the copyrights and other things on the excluded list. SCO seems to be arguing that UnXis will just do what SCO could do, as a kind of outsourced worker. But there's a difference between what Santa Cruz was contracted to be allowed to do and what SCO Group now wants to let UnXis do.
Yes, Santa Cruz got a license. But the license was given in the form of what SCO could do, a list of what they got and what they could use it to do. You can see the complete list of what Santa Cruz got under the APA in the included assets list, 4 pages beginning on page 58 of the above referenced PDF. Remember that whole interchange on cross examination of Amadia about implied or explicit licenses? Q. So your view is the asset purchase agreement sets
out an implied license; is that right?
A. No. It sets out a license. It just didn't use the
word "license," which isn't required for it to be a license.
Q. So other than by implication, how would you know
when you read the APA that there is a license if it doesn't
use the word "license"?
A. Because you specifically read the provisions that
show you what you're allowed to do. So it says, you have a
right to take this code. You have a right to develop
derivative works to this code. You have a right to market it.
You have a right to distribute it, et cetera. How can SCO enlarge that list of rights by sublicensing its own role, when that is not an explicit right under the APA in the included assets section or anywhere else? And how will UnXis run a business without Novell's approval of the use of the trade secrets and know how? I mean, the APA mentions third-party licenses, but it means licenses that Novell had with third parties to use their code, and Novell got a license back on that. If SCO dumps the APA, what happens to those rights? Santa Cruz did get "Software and Sublicensing Agreements", for sure, in that some folks, like Sun and IBM, were given the right to develop on top of what they licensed and then sell their derivative works (see IBM's agreement with AT&T, searching for keyword sublicense). But notice what IBM couldn't do: 7.09 Neither this Agreement nor any rights hereunder, in whole or in part, shall be assignable or otherwise transferable by LICENSEE and any purported assignment or transfer shall be null and void.
7.10 Except as provided in Section 7.06(b), nothing in this Agreement grants to LICENSEE the right to sell, lease or otherwise transfer or dispose of a SOFTWARE PRODUCT in whole or in part. But isn't that what SCO Group is saying it will do with UnXis? If so, then it only has the right to do that if it does in fact assume the APA, I would think, and assign it all, which it can't do without Novell's consent. Otherwise, what rights does it have to do anything? It can only license or sublicense what it actually wrote itself, then, because all the other rights stem from the APA, and if they point to their history of what they did, they didn't allow any transfer of the licensee's rights. Is it actually arguing that it has the rights without the APA? From whom? For example, in IBM's license agreement, note these paragraphs:
7.04 LICENSEE agrees that it will not, without the prior written permission of AT&T, (i) use in advertising, publicity, packaging, labeling or otherwise any trade name, trademark, trade device, service mark, symbol or any other identification or any abbreviation, contraction or simulation thereof owned by AT&T (or a corporate affiliate thereof) or used by AT&T (or such an affiliate) to identify any of its products or services, or (ii) represent, directly or indirectly, that any product or service of LICENSEE is a product or service of AT&T (or such an affiliate), or is made in accordance with or utilizes any information or documentation of AT&T (or such an affiliate).
Who does UnXis get the right to use the trademarks and trade secrets from under the proposed deal? From SCO Group? From Novell, then? See the murky problems? Trying to figure out SCO's twists and turns can drive a person nuts, because it always sounds, on the surface, plausible. But when you start to look at the specifics, you have to ask, do they really expect this to fly? Even if the bankruptcy judge falls asleep at the wheel, there is bound to be litigation immediately, I would assume.
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Authored by: Erwan on Monday, February 14 2011 @ 07:05 AM EST |
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Authored by: SirHumphrey on Monday, February 14 2011 @ 07:08 AM EST |
"Unfortunately, although the answer was indeed clear, simple and
straightforward, there is some difficulty in justifiably assigning to it the
fourth of the epithets you applied to the statement inasmuch as the precise
correlation between the information you communicated and the facts insofar as
they can be determined and demonstrated is such as to cause epistemological
problems of sufficient magnitude as to lay upon the logical and semantic
resources of the English language a heavier burden than they can reasonably be
expected to bear." Sir Humphrey Appleby - "The Tangled Web" [ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: yorkshireman on Monday, February 14 2011 @ 07:17 AM EST |
None of these statements are true.
SCO cleverly adds this single
sentence at the end of a paragraph. They
are being deliberately vague about
which statements they are referring to.
They clearly are going to use
this sentence in future to prevent being
sanctioned
for misleading the
court:
"But Judge - We told you we were lying!" [ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: ais523 on Monday, February 14 2011 @ 07:20 AM EST |
Discussion of the links in the right sidebar on the homepage. It's a nice idea
to repeat the link in your post anyway, so people can find it even after the
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Authored by: SirHumphrey on Monday, February 14 2011 @ 07:20 AM EST |
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Authored by: DebianUser on Monday, February 14 2011 @ 07:48 AM EST |
We now see the reason for all the misleading talk about what was the trunk,
where SysV fits in, and what UnixWare actually contains.
It must be true, they had powerpoint slides that said so. [ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, February 14 2011 @ 07:59 AM EST |
When the new interests take over Novell, then approval will
happen - no questions.
Who is taking over Novell?
And they, with the power to veto, will not veto SCO's
dealings, or other related decisions. There is a chance
that maybe there will be NEW strings attached to the deals?
Maybe will require, in order to get permission, that the
interested party, or SCO's partner or whoever they are
selling a license too, that they use say all MS technologies
and licenses for this and that as part of the deal (or other
companies can piggy back as well if there is some level of
joint ownership of Novell's rights)?
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Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, February 14 2011 @ 08:05 AM EST |
Understand that he's supposed to do his best for the company in Ch 11, but he is
surely rather over-stretching himself.[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: maroberts on Monday, February 14 2011 @ 08:20 AM EST |
For your work; I wonder how you find the time to do this analysis and do a job
as well :-)[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Steve Martin on Monday, February 14 2011 @ 08:37 AM EST |
OK, IANAL, so I'm a bit confused by something right out of the
gate.
The Trustee writes in his Reply:
The Trustee
does not seek to assume nor assign the 1995 APA, or any agreements with Novell,
and
therefore the Novell Objection is non-responsive to the Sale Motion and
should be disregarded.
Nolo's definition of
"assume" (in a bankruptcy context) is:
In bankruptcy, for the
bankruptcy trustee to take over an unexpired lease or executory contract. The
bankruptcy trustee has the right to assume or reject these agreements. If the
trustee assumes a lease or contract, he or she can either allow the agreement to
continue in force or assign that agreement, if the trustee believes doing so
could raise money for the debtors creditors.
So the Trustee
can either assume (i.e. take on) or reject the existing agreements with
Novell.
One of those agreements is the Asset
Purchase Agreement between Novell and the Santa Cruz Operation. That
agreement was the only thing that gave Santa Cruz Operation (and, by succession,
The SCO Group) the right to grant licenses to SVRX, and (unless Novell gave
consent) not to new licensees, only to existing
licensees:
Buyer shall not, and shall not have the
authority to, amend, modify or waive any right under or assign any SVRX
License without the prior written consent of Seller. In addition, at
Seller's sole discretion and direction, Buyer shall amend, supplement, modify or
waive any rights under, or shall assign any rights to, any SVRX License to the
extent so directed in any manner or respect by Seller. In the event that Buyer
shall fail to take any such action concerning the SVRX Licenses as required
herein, Seller shall be authorized, and hereby is granted, the rights to take
any action on Buyer's own behalf. [...] Notwithstanding the foregoing, Buyer
shall have the right to enter into amendments of the SVRX Licenses (i) as may be
incidentally involved through its rights to sell and license UnixWare software
or the Merged Product [as such latter term is defined in a separate Operating
Agreement between the parties to be effective as of the Closing Date, a copy of
which is attached hereto as Exhibit 5.1(c)], or future versions of the Merged
Product, or (ii) to allow a licensee under a particular SVRX License to use the
source code of the relevant SVRX product(s) on additional CPU's or to receive an
additional distribution, from Buyer, of such source code. In addition, Buyer
shall not, and shall have no right to, enter into new SVRX Licenses except in
the situation specified in (i) of the preceding sentence or as otherwise
approved in writing in advance by Seller on a case by case
basis.
So the Novell-Santa Cruz APA is the only thing
that gave Santa Cruz Operation (and The SCO Group) the authority to vend SVRX
Licenses. And the Trustee has explicitly stated that he has no intention of
assuming the Novell-Santa Cruz APA. So just how can they claim in Court
(Bankruptcy or any other) that they have the authority to license Novell's SVRX
to UnXis? They have rejected the only contract with Novell that might have given
them authority to do so (ignoring the fact, for the sake of argument, that the
APA requires Novell's written permission to issue new SVRX Licenses,
which Novell has not given).
--- "When I say something, I put my name
next to it." -- Isaac Jaffe, "Sports Night" [ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Jimbob0i0 on Monday, February 14 2011 @ 08:56 AM EST |
So let me get this straight....
The plan is to sublicence to UniXis...
On the assumption that they are correct and Novell shouldn't have a say in
this...
UniXis would pay SCO... and if there was to be no material change to Novell SCO
would then pass it to Novell.
For no material change UniXis would have to pass 100% of licensing income to SCO
who could then pass 100% to Novell. They would then pass 5% back to SCO who
would, presumably, pass X back to UniXis...
Next of course SCO go under (surprise surprise) and then who do UniXis
sublicense from? Novell? Well that's a pretty material change....
Crazy....[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: jpvlsmv on Monday, February 14 2011 @ 09:22 AM EST |
Problems with the sale:
First, is this an SVrX license? Or is it purely "incidental" to this
proposed sub-license for UnixWare? Novel has some rights involved there, if it
is. Not to mention the fact that they are entitled to 100% of the revenue from
SVrX licenses (minus the 5% administrative fee)
Second, if unXis gets only a "non-exclusive" license to the UnixWare
code, then as I understand the SCO's argument re: APA amendment 2, that means
that they can NOT protect their rights. Only if it was an exclusive license
could the licensee sue for infringement. And of course, since this transaction
clearly doesn't transfer the copyrights of the underlying code (either for
UnixWare or its critical SVrX components), how could "anyone" operate
a software business that way?
Third, does SCO still retain the "OpenServer" business? (To refresh
your memory, that was the version of Unix that they had before the APA) What
about the copyrights for that product?
In fact, does SCO retain the post-APA copyrights in its contributions to
UnixWare? If so, then the only asset that's being transferred is... what?
--Joe[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: jonathon on Monday, February 14 2011 @ 09:38 AM EST |
>"What are they saying? That they can just wipe that away forever? They
can sublicense the software business and then nobody owes Novell anything any
more? Nice trick. I'd like to do that with my mortgage."
Utah State Law has "quiet title action”, that allows for something
similar.
CF:http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/51006287-78/mers-property-mortgage-loan.htm
l.csp[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, February 14 2011 @ 10:07 AM EST |
Cahn seems to be oblivious to a number of money making
opportunities that SCO has. I'll get the ball rolling
by mentioning a few, and the rest of you can chime in.
SCO novelty toilet paper, with the likenesses of Darl,
and Yarro, and SCO's logo.
SCO souvenirs ... little things with SCO on them, suitable
for destruction at the pleasure of those who buy them for
this purpose.
SCO branded fireworks. A range of incendiaries with
more sizzle to them than SCO's lawsuits. Each with the
logo and possibly Darl or Yarro on them. Gives you a
nice warm feeling each time one of them goes off with a BANG.
Certain really big ones start off with a bang,
produce lots of spark-lies, but ends with a whimper.
The old SCO signage. Either as is, or offer people the
opportunity to shoot at it with a certain charge per shot.
Videos of exit interviews of certain SCO execs.
Videos of some of the 'billable hours' by Blank Rome,
and others. Wouldn't you love to see what actually
goes in in some of these 'strategy' sessions.
SCO punching bags.
SCO CEO for a day experiences. After all, would it be
possible for anyone to do a worse job than Darl did,
or Cahn afterwards?
The chance to author some small portion of SCO's
legal filings. So much of what SCO has written doesn't
make sense anyway. Since Groklaw is being preserved by
the Library of Congress, and since Groklaw faithfully
reports all filings by SCO, this is the high-tech
equivalent of having a brick with your inscription
on it. Your dedication or nonsense will be preserved
for generations to come by being inserted into a SCO
legal filing.
And on a serious note, non-exclusive non-transferable
source licenses for those who will NOT be able to count
on SCO for long-term support, but find it too difficult
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Authored by: YurtGuppy on Monday, February 14 2011 @ 10:29 AM EST |
Gnarly.
Novell will be forced to sue uniXis and prove that they own copyright to code
that uniXis is distributing.
We have a judgement that SCO doesn't own Unix. We could eventually have one
that Novell does not either.
---
just swimming round and round[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: DaveJakeman on Monday, February 14 2011 @ 10:43 AM EST |
Being distracted by the elephant in the room, I almost missed
this:
1.1 Sublicensor grants to Sublicensee a personal,
nontransferable (except as provided in Section 9), nonexclusive,
non-sublicenseable (except as provided herein), royalty free right and
sublicense to use the Licensed Properties, as defined in the Purchase Agreement,
which shall include the copyrights owned by Novell, Inc., as determined in
the Memorandum Decision and Order Denying SCO's Renewed Motion for Judgment as a
Matter of Law, or in the Alternative, for a New Trial and by the Findings of
Fact and Conclusions of Law of the United States District Court of Utah on June
10, 2010, in accordance with this Agreement, including the right to
modify and create derivative works of such Licensed Properties.
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Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, February 14 2011 @ 11:20 AM EST |
Reminds me of a youngsters report comparing two birds ....
"The Eagle is just like the Sparrow, except the Sparrow
is smaller, and bears no resemblance to the Eagle at all."
Yup... they're all contracts ... white paper ... dark
lettering ... see .... so so similar. All in english too.
Same font. Various bits of legalese. You can barely
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Authored by: tiger99 on Monday, February 14 2011 @ 01:10 PM EST |
Is it still happening? (They mostly have been cancelled for a while). Is anyone
going? I am guessing that this one may be even more interesting than usual. [ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: SilverWave on Monday, February 14 2011 @ 01:37 PM EST |
It would be nice to have this wrapped up.
---
RMS: The 4 Freedoms
0 run the program for any purpose
1 study the source code and change it
2 make copies and distribute them
3 publish modified versions
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Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, February 14 2011 @ 02:21 PM EST |
Are these not similar rights to those sold to Sun and Microsoft where SCO was
found to have converted Novells money?
How can SCO be able to do another sale of the same kind when it has not yet paid
for the first one?
This looks like a crazy broken system. Come on Judge G, make it a real mess.[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, February 14 2011 @ 02:56 PM EST |
"It's a kind of immortality."
It's also a kind of immorality.
\Cyp[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: jacks4u on Monday, February 14 2011 @ 03:01 PM EST |
Looks to me like they're trying to set up a new law suit: SCO v. Novell (ver.
2.0) in which they will assert that because they cannot do this deal in this
way, then they have absolutely no rights, the APA is invalid, and they bought a
pig in a poke AND 3 magic beans that fizzled.
All I'm saying is that there's more here than what's contained within the four
corners of their contract with UnXiS - subterfuge, if you will. Some sort of a
legal fork. If we can't do this, and we can't do that, then...
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Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, February 14 2011 @ 03:46 PM EST |
1240 changed the hearing hour. [ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, February 14 2011 @ 04:01 PM EST |
A few questions / ideas?
If the sub-licence is non-exclusive what would prevent SCO -or their successors-
just cutting the ground from under uniXis by selling Unixware at a lower price?
(please ignore the potential lack of a market for either product!).
If a customer came to SCO tomorrow ad said I'll like to buy 10K licences and
I'll give you $50 per licence -SCO would not be outside their authority to say
yes. So how is this different?
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Authored by: rsteinmetz70112 on Monday, February 14 2011 @ 04:20 PM EST |
I never understood where the idea that Santa Cruz had acquired an "implied
license" came from.
I think Allison Amadia understood it right from the beginning. The APA included
specific provisions which gave Santa Cruz permission and in many cases a duty to
do certain things. That constituted their "explicit license" do do
those things.
---
Rsteinmetz - IANAL therefore my opinions are illegal.
"I could be wrong now, but I don't think so."
Randy Newman - The Title Theme from Monk
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Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, February 14 2011 @ 06:55 PM EST |
I'm sure the RIAA would just love that possibility:
But your honor, I
have this license to play the copyrighted movie at home. I simply applied the
"SCOG Legal Enlargement Maneuver" in order to grant rights to a third party
sub-licensee to allow them to produce copies of the work.
Note: I haven't
read the documents in detail so I don't know if that's actually what SCOG is
attempting - but wouldn't be surprised if it really is. The concept just struck
me as humorous to apply to all those "pirated" copies :)
RAS[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: The Mad Hatter r on Monday, February 14 2011 @ 10:22 PM EST |
Just read an article on Ars about HBGary Federal, which mentions that Aaron Barr
used to work for Northrop Grumman. Curious the links you find in unexpected
places.
Of course since Aaron Barr is a Windows Geek (who owns an IPad according to the
story) he wouldn't have been involved in the licensing directly. However I
wonder if because of the Unix connection at Northrop Grumman if he wasn't aware
of The SCO Group and their actions, and if he possibly was a Groklaw lurker. If
he was, it's possible that some of the actions he saw inspired his own later
actions.
---
Wayne
http://madhatter.ca/[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, February 15 2011 @ 03:23 AM EST |
Lady, this judge has been soundly tucked up in that drivers seat, eyes closed,
night cap on, snoring ... for years.[ Reply to This | # ]
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