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A Pelican Update Makes the Case More Impenetrable - Updated |
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Tuesday, May 25 2010 @ 02:33 PM EDT
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Strange. After six months of no activity, here's an entry in the Pelican v. Darl and the Gang suit:
05/20/2010 - Minute Entry for proceedings held before Judge Naomi Reice Buchwald: Oral Argument held on 5/20/2010. (mro) (Entered: 05/24/2010)
Oral argument about what? No indication...Perhaps the motions to dismiss, at last? That was my first thought, but it turns out PACER lists it, if you dig a bit, as a status conference, not a hearing. So I'm a bit puzzled. If it was indeed a status conference, presumably the judge wants to get the case going again, if it's going forward. If so, there should be a schedule or some indication of life on the docket fairly soon or a notice that it's been settled or dropped, or whatever the parties are doing that we don't know about yet. And if it was oral argument, then it was a hearing, and there should be an order eventually.
Update: It was about the motions to dismiss, and it looks like they were all denied, subject to further briefing and perhaps submitting new motions, but from the Order it looks like the judge herself raised subject matter jurisdiction issues that the parties will now file their legal briefs about that, and only if they get past that threshold issue will the motions to dismiss come up again:
05/26/2010 - 48 - ORDER: The respective motions to dismiss filed by defendants Darl McBride (Dkt. No. 26) and Bryan Cave (Dkt. No. 31), as well as plaintiff's motion to dismiss the Talos Defendants' counterclaim (Dkt. No. 38) are each denied without prejudice to being refiled, if appropriate, upon a new notice of motion supported by the existing papers, after the Court's adjudication of the subject matter jurisdiction issues. ORDER denying 26 Motion to Dismiss for Lack of Jurisdiction; denying 31 Motion to Dismiss; denying 38 Motion to Dismiss. (Signed by Judge Naomi Reice Buchwald on 5/26/10) Copies Mailed by Chambers.(db) (Entered: 05/26/2010)
Here's how the Order reads:
WHEREAS the Court held oral argument on three motions to dismiss on May 20, 2010; and
WHEREAS at the argument the Court raised threshold issues concerning its subject matter jurisdiction; and
WHEREAS the parties requested, and were afforded, the opportunity to submit briefing on those threshold issues; and
WHEREAS the Court cannot properly decide the pending motions prior to resolving the issue of its subject matter jurisdiction; it is hereby
ORDERED that the respective motions to dismiss filed by defendants Darl McBride (Dkt. No. 26) and Bryan Cave (Dkt. No. 31), as well as plaintiff's motion to dismiss the Talos Defendants' counterclaim (Dkt. No. 38) are each denied without prejudice to being refiled, if appropriate, upon a new notice of motion supported by the existing papers, after the Court's adjudication of the subject matter jurisdiction issues. Here's an explanation of what subject matter jurisdiction means: Subject-matter jurisdiction is the requirement that the court have power to hear the specific kind of claim that is brought to that court. While the parties may waive personal jurisdiction and submit to the authority of the court, the parties may not waive subject-matter jurisdiction. In fact, the court may dismiss the case sua sponte — or, on its own — for lack of subject-matter jurisdiction. In other words, the judge is asking if hers is the right court to handle this case. Here is where you can find Pelican's and Bryan Cave's motions to dismiss. And Darl's is here. He raised the issue of personal jurisdiction, but that's not the same as subject matter jurisdiction. We'll have to wait until the transcript becomes available, I guess, or until the legal briefs are filed, to figure out what the judge is thinking. But it says she raised issues, not just one.
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Authored by: SpaceLifeForm on Tuesday, May 25 2010 @ 03:00 PM EDT |
If any.
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Authored by: SpaceLifeForm on Tuesday, May 25 2010 @ 03:01 PM EDT |
Please make any links clickable.
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Authored by: SpaceLifeForm on Tuesday, May 25 2010 @ 03:02 PM EDT |
Please indicate which article you are referencing
in the title.
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Authored by: jbeadle on Tuesday, May 25 2010 @ 03:03 PM EDT |
Thanks for all your hard work.
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Authored by: SilverWave on Tuesday, May 25 2010 @ 06:23 PM EDT |
:-)
Here's hoping for 2 out of 2.
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Authored by: rsteinmetz70112 on Tuesday, May 25 2010 @ 06:54 PM EDT |
When I first saw this title I thought it was an update on the Pelicans oiled by
the BP spill not far from here as the Pelican flies.
I don't know what to think of this case except it promises to be exceptionally
entertaining if it moves forward in public.
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Authored by: SilverWave on Wednesday, May 26 2010 @ 04:49 AM EDT |
Swift and
predictable reactions to WebM --- RMS: The 4 Freedoms
0 run the program for any purpose
1 study the source code and change it
2 make copies and distribute them
3 publish modified versions
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Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, May 26 2010 @ 09:29 PM EDT |
The July 1, 2009 article (http://groklaw.net/article.php?story=2009070123514867)
about the Pelican case is not available to me. (I suppose it would be if I
logged in.) It's the first article listed in the Pelican timeline
(http://www.groklaw.net/staticpages/index.php?page=PelicanTL).
I realize that some articles are for members only. I'm wondering if this was an
oversight, though. It would be odd that it's listed on the timeline page, but
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Authored by: rsteinmetz70112 on Thursday, May 27 2010 @ 03:41 PM EDT |
Isn't it enough that the parties are citizens of different states?
Darl seems to be a citizen of Utah. I'm not sure of some of the other people.
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