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A Groklaw Member Gets His OLPC Laptop - It's Not Too Late To Order Yours
Saturday, December 15 2007 @ 01:01 AM EST

We have pics of the first One Laptop Per Child XO laptop that has arrived at the home of any Groklaw member that I know of. Groklaw's bbaston sent pictures. He got his laptop yesterday and has been having tons of fun. I am soooo jealous. He's been providing us a running commentary in comments on the previous article, posting on Groklaw from his new laptop. Here's part of what he's saying:
It's so TINY like a new puppy. I'll email a pic or 2 directly once I calm down.

Somewhere is its twin. I can't even fathom the emotion that child will feel at receiving her learn-to-learn gift :)

...First impression of the machine is very good color, quite similar to using normal LCD display. Initial startup - with my heart pounding - took a minute. Then I played around - configured my wireless connection to 'torvalds' and popped over to Groklaw. Nuthin2it!

He's referring, of course to the Give One, Get One offering, where you keep one laptop and OLPC sends one to a child somewhere who will surely be glad you did this. And here are the pictures, and he took pictures of Groklaw on the laptop's screen, which is, of course, the way straight to my heart. Warning to those on dialup -- there are several graphics, and although I made them smaller for you, it may take a while for them all to load.

Is that cute or what? Here's Groklaw up close and personal:

I guess I can't edit that story any more, huh? And here you see it in tablet mode, which is simply perfect for reading ebooks, since you can read in sunlight or indoors equally well:

I picture myself standing in line at the bank, reading away, or sitting on the beach. They're sorta waterproof, I think. Designed for sand storms. That says beach to me.

He gave us this instruction on how to get the laptop into tablet mode:

Flip the screen around and close it - leaving display like tablet. The game keys move the screen up and down. Left to TOP. Right to Bottom.

May not be a design feature, but MOVING the XO (shaking it, squeezing it) also scrolls down! ??

Haven't even gotten out of backlight mode yet - and all is VERY readable.

Enough on this - must go off line to PLAY!

This laptop must be mighty cute if he's squeezing it. I know. Some may be asking why anyone would shake a brand new laptop, but if you're asking, you might not be a geek.

: )

Of course, that wasn't the end. He couldn't stay offline. He was back minutes later to tell us about the SD slot being externally available:

The SD's on the right bottom edge of the screen shell. To access, open screen vertical, twist 90 degrees, push SD up into screen frame. Wonderful!

I have this imaginary party in my mind, where we all get one of these laptops and have the Groklaw red dress party online, all on our OLPC laptops, connecting here, there, then there, around the globe, like media coverage of New Year's Eve. "This is so-and-so in California, having a grand time. We're celebrating the court's final order with champagne." "This is so-and-so, and I'm in the UK, where we're having rather a lot of warm beer." Of course, for me it's forever chocolates! I know, it's not warm; it's room temperature. Just teasing. In my imagination we could at least sequentially connect around the globe, and although it's just my imagination, wouldn't it be great if we could do that? Here's just the screen in tablet mode:

Looks great to me. One thing's for sure. I'll never be able to hide out at tech conferences any more, if I bring a green XO laptop. We'll all instantly find each other.

Hey, nothing wrong with that. Just don't give any to Darl and his merry men, 'kay?

Actually, not to worry. They'd probably never be able to figure out how to get them open. Joke. Joke.

Everyone else can order until December 31st. And if you or your group order 100 or more, you get to say where they are to be sent, according to this page. You can also just donate $200 and send a laptop to a child. But who can resist buying two and keeping one? A saint, maybe. Here's the page for saints.

You might enjoy to visit this video, a talk by Hans Rosling, "New insights on poverty and life around the world" and here's the description:

In a follow-up to his now-legendary TED2006 presentation, Hans Rosling demonstrates how developing countries are pulling themselves out of poverty. He shows us the next generation of his Trendalyzer software -- which analyzes and displays data in amazingly accessible ways, allowing people to see patterns previously hidden behind mountains of stats. (Ten days later, he announced a deal with Google to acquire the software.) He also demos Dollar Street, a program that lets you peer in the windows of typical families worldwide living at different income levels. Be sure to watch straight through to the (literally) jaw-dropping finale.

Did you notice the role of culture? And the importance of information to get beyond survival levels? And here's another of his talks, Debunking third-world myths with the best stats you've ever seen:

You've never seen data presented like this. With the drama and urgency of a sportscaster, Hans Rosling debunks myths about the so-called "developing world" using extraordinary animation software developed by his Gapminder Foundation. The Trendalyzer software (recently acquired by Google) turns complex global trends into lively animations, making decades of data pop. Asian countries, as colorful bubbles, float across the grid -- toward better national health and wealth. Animated bell curves representing national income distribution squish and flatten. In Rosling's hands, global trends -- life expectancy, child mortality, poverty rates -- become clear, intuitive and even playful.

Do take a look. It will hold you back from leaving comments about sending rice instead of laptops, I think.


  


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Corrections thread
Authored by: grouch on Saturday, December 15 2007 @ 01:41 AM EST
Please post corrections here.

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"People aren't as dumb as Microsoft needs them to be."
--PJ, May 2007

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News Picks comments
Authored by: grouch on Saturday, December 15 2007 @ 01:43 AM EST
Please post comments about Groklaw's News Picks in this thread.

I want my XO!

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Off Topic
Authored by: grouch on Saturday, December 15 2007 @ 01:47 AM EST
Post off topic commentary here, please.

It's not off topic to be jealous of ~some~ lucky people getting their little green machine before ~others~.

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"People aren't as dumb as Microsoft needs them to be."
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Only if you're in the US or Canada
Authored by: mpellatt on Saturday, December 15 2007 @ 02:29 AM EST
Everyone else can order until December 31st

Unfortunately, that isn't the case.

From http://www.laptopgivi ng.org/en/give-one-get-one.php:

From now through December 31, 2007, OLPC is offering a Give One Get One program in the United States and Canada.

I'm sure there are good reasons for this, but it's a shame this opportunity not only to own such a wonderful machine but also to help a child in a less developed country is only available to residents of a small part of our planet.

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A Groklaw Member Gets His OLPC Laptop - It's Not Too Late To Order Yours
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, December 15 2007 @ 02:39 AM EST
I just got mine today. It's pretty cool. Haven't had too much time to really
dig into it just yet tho.

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OT - Creative Labs Ignores Users.
Authored by: Starlite528 on Saturday, December 15 2007 @ 02:52 AM EST
I can't believe that after over two years, CL has not figured out that a lot of
customers are pissed that the X-FI cards don't work in Linux. They've released
a beta 64-bit closed source driver, that doesn't work most of the time. Don't
know if they've updated it at all. How many people work at CL?

Maybe it's that "embarrassed to show awful code, etc" syndrome?

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"Death continues to be our nations number one killer."
Henry Gibson

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Who wants to experiment? Wanted: User modifications & hacks. Jump on in the XO water is fine!
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, December 15 2007 @ 03:32 AM EST
MAIN POINT... the device has a FREE "BIOS" - understood?
see: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Open_Firmware
Do you understand what a free bios actually means to the truely sick and
experimentally affected minds out there?

List of wonders? YouTube videos of mods please!
RSVP - thanks...

Hardware modifications (soldering iron folks)
- screw driver (inside look - Photos please)
- can the RAM be upgraded? is there a slot?
- can we upgrade the Flash Disk (solder on MB an SSD)?
- if upgraded (by soldering iron if possible) then doe the upgrade modifications
then affect battery life?

Software modificatios (hackers alert)?
- due to LINUX bios (freedom) what are the options?
- can we dual boot a other distro on the SD card?
- Puppy Linux on SD, Damn Small Linux on SD? Enlightenment?
- can you load thunderbird with extensions and do IMAP? Because IMAP email via
Thunderbird that synchs up with Contact list via the method in this article
would be heaven.
see:
http://www.linux.com/articles/53463
" Turn Thunderbird into a collaboration tool

By default, Thunderbird doesn't have a calendar, and it lacks the ability to
synchronise data between multiple clients. However, the Calendar plugin combined
with the SyncKolab extension can fill the void. You also need an IMAP account,
which SyncKolab uses to synchronise the contacts and calendar data. You can
either use a local Kolab server or an IMAP email account; the latter option is
probably easier.

Start with downloading and installing the Calendar and SyncKolab plugins, then
create two folders, Contacts and Calendar, on your IMAP server. To configure
SyncKolab's preferences, choose Tools -> Extensions and double-click on
SyncKolab. In the Contacts tab, select the address book you want to synchronise,
select your IMAP email account, and choose the Contacts folder. If you leave the
Save to Imap folder check box unticked, SyncKolab will not upload changes in
your calendar and address book, but download any changes from the IMAP account.
Finally, use the Sync Contacts and Sync Calendar check boxes to select what data
you want to synchronise. In the Calendar tab, select what calendar you want to
sync and select the Calendar folder on your IMAP email account. Click OK to save
the settings and close the window. Next, you have to add the SyncKolab button to
Thunderbird's toolbar. Right-click somewhere on thunderbird's toolbar and
select Customize. Drag the SyncKolab button onto the toolbar and press Done. To
start synchronisation, click on the SyncKolab button."
---------------------
ONLY other cool feature that I have not found as an extension in any browser, is
if we could have the browser with ability to store bookmarks up on the IMAP
(along with the thunderbird contacts and calandar) in that IMAP space as well.
Kinda like it is a privat little "IMAP space as a little FTP space"...
where we could have it show up as a volume and use it like it were an SD card or
something.

The coolness features of this XO are waiting to be tested.

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A Groklaw Member Gets His OLPC Laptop - It's Not Too Late To Order Yours
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, December 15 2007 @ 04:51 AM EST
I read this article the other day on the BBC web site. I then immediately went and ordered one for my son. I have been following OLPC for a while, just waiting for the *right excuse* to order one and that article was the kicker. Good luck to the XO project! It *will* succeed. Education is the key to helping people help themselves out of poverty. It's a world changing product.

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Green???
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, December 15 2007 @ 05:05 AM EST
Does it come in other colors?
I don't want to be seen with a green PC. People will laugh.

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A Groklaw Member Gets His OLPC Laptop - It's Not Too Late To Order Yours
Authored by: ssavitzky on Saturday, December 15 2007 @ 11:20 AM EST
Mine's on order; hopefully it will show up early next week.

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Where's mine?
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, December 15 2007 @ 11:55 AM EST
I ordered mine only a few hours after the G1G1 window opened (7:30AM). If they
had opened the window earlier, I would have placed the order earlier. They
claim that I will receive my laptop sometime between 12/14 and 12/24. That
would mean that they need to ship quite soon. They say that I'll get a shipment
notification from UPS but nothing so far. I've made two inquiries to try to
find out where I stand in the queue. All of their responses are non-commital.
They say they will "try" to get my laptop to me before 12/24.

I intend this laptop as a Christmas gift for my 7 year old son. He will be
heartbroken if it does not arrive in time.

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A Groklaw Member Gets His OLPC Laptop - It's Not Too Late To Order Yours
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, December 15 2007 @ 11:58 AM EST
A friend of mine just got his yesterday as well, This was what he had to say about it:
I haven't tried getting online or using a usb drive with it yet. There are just so many other things to explore first.

I've gotta say, the folks that designed the software interface for this thing have done a really, really good job. It's clean, simple, and is breaking all my sterotypes. It's definitely not like Windows, Gnome, KDE, or MacOS. This is a totally different type of interface. And, it's obvious that every detail about this machine was designed as a learning tool for kids. It's definitely not just a low powered laptop in a nifty looking box. They really have gotten 'outside the box' to create this thing. I think you'll appreciate it just for the sheer innovation it is.
He's a mechanical engineer who's been following the OLPC project for a long time, and ordered his the second day they were available. -DSW

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A Groklaw Member Gets His OLPC Laptop - It's Not Too Late To Order Yours
Authored by: Toon Moene on Saturday, December 15 2007 @ 12:25 PM EST
I just send off 5 XO's to ... whereever.

I've 4 nieces and 1 nephew, who would do worse without a XO, but at least they
have access to a laptop (and some good teaching besides).

I hope the recipients like the learning experience :-)


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Toon Moene (A GNU Fortran maintainer and physicist at large)

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Possible UK purchaser question
Authored by: skip on Saturday, December 15 2007 @ 12:36 PM EST
I can buy one or two of these via my sister in Chicago.

The question is, what's the power supply? Is it something I'll need to get an
adapter for?

My niece and my son would both benefit from these, but there's no point if we
can't charge them up.

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Get more attention for OLPC
Authored by: Fergy on Saturday, December 15 2007 @ 03:18 PM EST
digg: Gr oklaw provides proof for OLPC laptop mission

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Waiting in Finland...
Authored by: mjr on Saturday, December 15 2007 @ 03:59 PM EST
...for my XO through a US friend. The sucky thing is waiting for a second
shipping interval even when it gets to her ;]

Nice to hear that they're starting to arrive, though, and the reports are
encouraging.

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Questions for bbaston
Authored by: josmith42 on Saturday, December 15 2007 @ 04:41 PM EST

bbaston, please feel free to answer any, all, or none of these questions. I'm thinking about ordering mine.

How responsive does the OS feel? I understand the hardware is slower for power saving purposes, but I also understand they've made optimizations in the software to accommodate. Your thoughts?

Have you tried running down the battery completely? How long does that take? How does it perform after manually recharging it?

How accessible is the OS for a geek? Is there a command line? Will generic software for Linux run on it? Is there a package manager for it (something like apt-get on Debian/Ubuntu or rpm on Fedora)?

Thanks for any answers!

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This comment was typed using the Dvorak keyboard layout. :-)

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Send an XO collection to education ministers
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, December 15 2007 @ 04:46 PM EST
I hear that the XO is having acceptance problems in some countries because the
OLPC foundation went to the heads of state rather than the education ministries,
bureaucrats, or other functionaries. As a result there is the impression that
the XO is being being pushed "top-down" and the bureaucracy is
resisting XO adoption. Given what I've seen of how politics works these reports
make complete sense.

The solution is the convince the bureaucracy. I can think of no better way to
do this than to send 50 or so XOs directly to the bureaucrat responsible for XO
adoption decision making. (S)he could then do whatever she wanted with them,
but I would think that curiosity would take hold and the bureaucrat would get at
least some feedback directly from some children. That should be all it takes to
get the functionaries behind the XO.

The problem is that it takes (IIRC) a minimum donation of 100 XO laptops to be
able to designate a recipient. (I'm also presuming that the OLPC foundation
would not have a problem sending laptops to education ministers rather than
directly to schools. If that's a problem, then perhaps the laptops should be
sent to the minister's childrens' school.)

Could Groklaw organize some collective giving to follow through on such a plan?
Most people don't have the resources to donate 100 laptops, and if they did they
wouldn't know where to send them to do the most good.

Regards,
Karl O. Pinc <kop@meme.com>

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amazing statistics by Ted
Authored by: Stefan Wagner on Saturday, December 15 2007 @ 04:51 PM EST
Yes, indeed.
Never seen before.

Folks, don't miss it (the links at the bottom of the text) while waiting for
your OLPC!
Thanks Pamela - didn't knew this before.

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don't visit my homepage: http://home.arcor.de/hirnstrom/

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Dialup users and image loading
Authored by: argee on Saturday, December 15 2007 @ 06:21 PM EST
"Warning to those on dialup -- there are several graphics, and although I
made them smaller for you, it may take a while for them all to load."

Actually, that is not the only problem with this page. I
visited it yesterday, read the article and comments. Today, I
wanted to read the comments only, but as soon as I was reading
a comment, the text jumped a couple of inches as an image loaded. So I scroll
back to where I was, and it happened again ... and again. In the end, I had to
wait for the images
to all load up before I could read text below it.

Looking at the html source code, I could see that each
of the html tags for the images did not contain the
size reservation; ie, (img src="blah/p1070089sm.jpg").
This means that the space for the images is not reserved
and the text jumps all over as the images load.

Instead, you should have had something like
(img src="blah/p1070089sm.jpg" width="415"
height="330")
and then you would load these blank squares of the right
size, the text would not jump around, and the article and
comments could be read as the image loading fills up the
squares.

I am not on dialup, but have a rather slow speed DSL
(all I pay for!) and the loading is irritating as it is!


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argee

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OLPC Laptop - on EBay
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, December 15 2007 @ 09:59 PM EST
There are currently 9 listings with bids ranging from $100 - $560, buy it now
for 475-750. That's right people are bidding more than the Give One Get One
price, and not donating a second machine. A few have been opened, I've seen a
few reports are that The T-Mobile coupons is not included,

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Reading at the bank
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, December 16 2007 @ 12:30 AM EST
If you want to read at the bank then order a Nokia N810. This is one cool looking device. I watched some of the videos on YouTube and was fascinated.

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Another possible use for the XO?
Authored by: Juggler9 on Sunday, December 16 2007 @ 01:42 AM EST
It looks like this might make a good piece of equipment for service personnel.
Load up an XO with a couple of GBs of service manuals for all your equipment in
PDF or HTML (or whatever) format. No lost pages and the manuals are searchable.
If the manuals are updated just update the cards the next time the tech brings
it back and you're good to go.

You could use it in high/low light situations and even where there's no power if
you get the crank/pedal option. It's even already built for harsh environments.
Plus the company could get a tax write-off and do some good as well.

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A Groklaw Member Gets a Nokia N810 instead
Authored by: tz on Sunday, December 16 2007 @ 11:44 AM EST
Sunlight readable screen. Keyboard. Tablet. Camera. Mozilla derived browser,
WiFi roaming. No mesh, but with GPS (mapping) and bluetooth. Power efficient.

I've been reading sites, listening to media, and at the maemo.org community
since I got it last night (at a closing CompUSA so it was about the same price
as the twin XOs).

Opensource, and it fits in my pocket. Now I'll need to find time to start
porting applications...

I wasn't considering one of those crippled windows PDAs. I did look at the iPod
touch, but Apple has been annoying about development as of late.

I compiled a new kernel and a few apps for it before I got it on my Ubuntu
system.

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It's so TINY like a new puppy.
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, December 17 2007 @ 12:51 AM EST
Perhaps some of the prospective buyers don't realize how small is the screen.
The screen looks OK on pictures because people assume a standard size keyboard.
It is not.

Fold an US Letter paper in 4 - this is your screen. Scale down
the keyboard to fit - you'll need a stylus to use it. Could anybody of OLPC
owners comment on the ergonomic qualities of their laptop.

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A Groklaw Member Gets His OLPC Laptop - It's Not Too Late To Order Yours
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, December 17 2007 @ 06:43 AM EST
You can get a very good impression of the Sugar interface, which is the work of
pure genius, and the XO software load by running an emulator and a file-set
image therein. I use:-

http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads/

Choose the correct one for your O/S. ( I could not get the Windows one to work,
but I have avoided Windows in the past, and really know sweet nothing about it.
Somebody with more skill in that dept. might be able to get it to go )

And this file-set works for me:-
http://dev.laptop.org/pub/virtualbox/OLPC-625.zip

Of course the emulator can't do the mesh networking, and with that particular
file-set the sound is not working, but everything else seems to work well in my
T41 ThinkPad.

I think we should start agitating for the OLPC team as a whole to be nominated
for the Nobel Peace Prize, yes, imho it really is that good!

Christopher Sawtell aka bloggsie.

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OLPC copied one Microsoft innovation ...
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, December 17 2007 @ 08:24 AM EST
(To turn off the laptop, hold down the power button for 10 seconds).

Clearly the hardware equivalent of clicking the "Start" button to shut
down the system.

[ Implied :-) for the humour impaired ]

Toon Moene (not logged in while at "work")

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A Groklaw Member Gets His OLPC Laptop - It's Not Too Late To Order Yours
Authored by: BassSinger on Monday, December 17 2007 @ 01:13 PM EST
PJ,

I think it behooves us to show the link to TEDTalks, where you can see the original presentation, as well as many other groundbreaking, thought-provoking discussions:

    TEDTalks


In a Chord,

Tom

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A Groklaw Member Gets His OLPC Laptop - It's Not Too Late To Order Yours
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, December 17 2007 @ 02:12 PM EST
Still waiting for mine. Probably arrive in 2008.

Did the "Give 1 Get 1" rather than "Donate 2" as I would
like to learn from it myself. With it being so easily hacked, it's a wonderful
tool even for people in the developed world to learn more about embedded
systems, etc.

Heck, might even accidentally create something useful that can be distributed
for it.

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Any Groklaw member willing to relay 2 OLPCs to Old Europe?
Authored by: doughnuts_lover on Monday, December 17 2007 @ 03:26 PM EST
I would send you money through PayPal for 2x "Give 1 Get 1" OLPCs (2xUSD 399,- = USD 798,-).
Plus shipping costs to Old Europe.
Plus some handling costs for you (would USD 75,- be OK?).

After you got the money from me you order two "Give 1 Get 1" OLPCs.
You send those OLPCs to my address in Old Europe.

Those two OLPCs will be a gift for two twin daughters of a single breeding mom.
And a gift for two unknown children somewhere on planet earth.


PS:I would prefer dealing with a Groklaw member who has posted at Groklaw before ;)
So I may need to get your email address from your Groklaw profile.

PPS: I hope this posting is in accordance with Groklaw's posting policies.

PPPS: Am I an idiot willing to send money to a stranger known only through a blog?
No.
First, I think that bloggers are more trustworthy than the ordinary bunch.
Second, I think that Groklaw members are more trustworthy than the average bloggers.
Third, I believe that getting my hands on an OLPC now (before it moves on to the final recipients) is worth that risk.
Fourth, I believe that Karma is a bitch ;)

Enjoy!
doughnuts_lover

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Carrier?
Authored by: Steve Allen on Tuesday, December 18 2007 @ 04:32 PM EST
To anyone who has received one...
What carrier delivered it? UPS? FedEx? USPS?
I'd like to know whose truck to watch for. ;-)


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Music is Life
Life is Love
Love is Music
Music is Life

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Notification of Shipping
Authored by: bbaston on Tuesday, December 18 2007 @ 08:52 PM EST
Well, it was me that reported my delivery to PJ and sent her the pictures, so I'll post this news for completeness.

Just received email notice that my XO has been shipped. ;)

Your XO laptop is on its way.

We're happy to inform you that your XO laptop has shipped. In order to help you get the most out of your experience with the XO and One Laptop per Child (OLPC), here are some important links. Please save this email for reference.

Well, they're trying anyway. Doubt the message is about a duplicate shipment...?

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imaybewrong, iamnotalawyertoo, inmyhumbleopinion, iamveryold

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Thanks, bbaston!
Authored by: mzaugg on Wednesday, December 19 2007 @ 11:55 AM EST
I've been thinking about this for a while, but this story really made up my mind
and I signed up for the G1G1 program myself last night.

I dearly would love to see the OLPC project succeed, so I'm voting with my
dollars. It matches well with my principles and I like the thought of sending
one elsewhere in the world. I'll geekily play with mine and share it with my
kids and generally enjoy a unique piece of hardware.

Naming yours PJ is simply inspired. It's such a fitting tribute. Just wanted
to add my name to the roll that you two have inspired.

- Mark

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