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SCO uses IBM-donated ibiblio servers too! - Updated 2Xs
Sunday, April 08 2007 @ 12:54 AM EDT

It's true. Hilariously true. An eagle-eyed Groklaw ninja, sk43, has spotted an ftp site where you can get binary copies of Linux libraries needed by SCO's OpenServer and UnixWare customers who use lxrun. But you can't get the source code from that sco.com ftp site. SCO directs their customers to .... sunsite.unc.edu. Why bless my stars, sunsite.unc.edu is the old name for what is now ibiblio! So here's a headline for you, and it's absolutely accurate:
SCO Relies on IBM-donated Servers to Provide Support for OpenServer/UnixWare Customers

Absolutely accurate and totally misleading, just like the headlines about Groklaw. Will we see this SCO headline in the mainstream media? We should. Simple fairness requires it. I'm sure they wouldn't wish to appear to be biased, lordy no. Or they might just want to mitigate their damages. Besides, they might print it just for fun. As we've seen, some journalists love to write up a good conspiracy story, even when it isn't true. This one actually is. Here's another possible headline:

SCO violates the GPL by directing customers to another site for source code

Hmm. Unless SCO has an official agreement with ibiblio, that is, in which case the link becomes even stronger.

In any case, there we are, Groklaw and SCO, holding hands, together at last, sharing the same servers and with an identical IBM connection. Perfect.

IBM has donated to ibiblio, as have others. That amazing sleuth, Dan Lyons, printed that piece of non-news years ago, and Information Week ran with it once again recently, and in an amazing coincidence both show up in SCO's motion about Groklaw, with SCO having the nerve to present it to the court as *evidence* that if one is on ibiblio servers, it must mean IBM is secretly funding you. And yet here's SCO, on ibiblio servers themselves.

Nevah mind.

What a small world, isn't it? So there we have it. IBM must be secretly funding SCO. Somebody better depose somebody and get to the bottom of this. Another motion! Quick! What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Hmm. Let's see if we can solve this puzzle. I believe that I have figured out IBM's cunning plot. IBM subsidized SCO by getting ibiblio to host its source code years ago, so SCO could afford to sue IBM, which realized such goofball litigation was bound to generate a lot of positive publicity about Linux, thanks to IBM subsidizing Groklaw. Eureka! That's it. Of course, I'm kidding. But it's true about SCO using ibiblio servers.

I say it's non-news because Groklaw has had a link that reads: "hosted by ibiblio" since it first moved here and the link takes you to their website, where you can read their list of contributors (Hi! Mandriva! Thank you for helping me fall in love with GNU/Linux!) and their list of collections, which is enormous. No wonder it calls itself the public library on the Internet. If your company, foundation or other group is interested in being an ibiblio partner by contributing funding or hardware, contact Paul Jones, jones@unc.edu and if you are interested in contributing content to ibiblio, read this page and this one. This would, in fact, be a perfect time for the community to show its support and respect to ibiblio, because it has been smeared in the media for no just cause, and having experienced that myself, I know what it feels like to be perfectly innocent and yet wake up to find yourself covered in SCO manure.

Check it out for yourself about the name change, on ibiblio's homepage, at the very bottom, where you can read it for yourself:

ibiblio.org
formerly sunsite.unc.edu
formerly metalab.unc.edu
Chapel Hill, North Carolina, U.S.A.

Another Groklaw member, Weeble, downloaded everything sk43 found and verified it. Wait. I'm not done. Just for fun, I searched for Caldera on ibiblio, and sure enough, Caldera binaries, as Roblimo pointed out in his Linux.com article about SCO's ibiblio assertion, specifically rebutting Information Week spin:

A library can and should host all kinds of material. For instance, ibiblio has downloadable binaries of Caldera Linux in its collection. Since Caldera is what SCO used to be called, does this mean (gasp) that IBM is sponsoring SCO?

I suppose I could write an inflammatory headline that said so, although I'd rather write one about how IBM "sponsors" the ibiblio-hosted Tibetan Center for Conflict Resolution, a group whose services SCO CEO Darl McBride could certainly use.

One could also point out that IBM is not the sole sponsor of ibiblio. The ibiblio about page points out that ibiblio was founded by the University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill's MetaLab, formerly known as SunSITE, and the Center for the Public Domain in September of 2000, well prior to the SCO suit against IBM. In addition to IBM, ibiblio also lists VA Software, OSTG's parent company, as a partner.

Go to ibiblio yourself and just type in Caldera in the upper left search bar.

Oh, the lawyers and any judges reading this article might want to check those files SCO is still distributing. I believe you'll find some headers and system calls. We can't match them up with SCO's sealed list of allegedly misused items, because we can't see the list, but you can.

And here's the comment from sk43:

SCO Relies on IBM-donated Servers to Provide Support for OpenServer/UnixWare Customers

Authored by: sk43 on Saturday, April 07 2007 @ 06:30 PM EDT

The file ftp://ftp2.sco.com/pub/skunkware/ emulators/lxrun/mirror/linux-libs/linuxlibs.tar.gz contains binary copies of Linux libraries needed by SCO's OpenServer and UnixWare customers when running the "lxrun" emulator, which allows Linux binaries to be run unchanged on SCO's operating systems. The ftp site does not provide source code directly, but rather directs SCO customers to a website to obtain the code: ftp://ftp2.sco.com/pub/skunkware/emulators/lxrun/mirror/linux-libs/README

"These archives contain pre-packaged Linux libraries for use with lxrun. Source code for these libraries is available from thesunsite Linux archive and its mirrors: http://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/welcome.html"

In case people are not aware, "sunsite.unc.edu" is now called "ibiblio.org"

Another file also directs SCO customers to sunsite:

ftp://ftp2.sco.com/pub/skunkware/emulators/lxrun/mirror/FAQ.html

"Q0.1: How can I get started using lxrun!"

"A: Follow these steps:" ...

"1. Copy a Linux binary to the /usr/local/linux/bin directory If you don't have a Linux system at hand, use one of the mirrors at ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/welcome.html to download an app off the net."

We thus have the interesting situation that both groklaw.net and sco.com rely on the services of the same IBM-donated servers at ibiblio.org.

Isn't it a hoot? Actually, we're just assuming the servers are the ones IBM donated, and you are assuming that Groklaw is on IBM servers. But other entities also donate to ibiblio.

Bottom line? Ibiblio hosts literally thousands of entities. It's a public library on the Internet. No matter who is on ibiblio's servers, it doesn't mean IBM is connected or secretly subsidizing any of the collections. It donated to a nonprofit library. Its reward is to be smeared in the press. Me too. I really find it some low-down skunkery.

Many entities contribute to ibiblio, besides IBM. You can too. It's a nonprofit, so you can even get a tax deduction if you donate hardware or money.

And so the slapstick SCO Keystone Kops routine marches on, recklessly into sink holes and then stubbornly onto landmines, ever forward.

Well. Lurches forward.

Well... Backward, actually. Then it falls down and can't get up, with some of the media stumbling along right behind them. Or do I have that backwards?

I told you this was the stupidest lawsuit in the history of the world.

Update: Mathfox points out that IBM provides SCO hosting directly as well for the following:

$ host ir.sco.com
ir.sco.com is an alias for cald.client.shareholder.com.
cald.client.shareholder.com is an alias for webcenter360.shareholder.com.
webcenter360.shareholder.com has address 170.224.5.57

$ whois 170.224.5.57
OrgName: IBM
OrgID: IBM-1
Address: [witheld]
City: Research Triangle Park
StateProv: NC
PostalCode: 27709-[redacted]
Country: US

It gets better. Steve Martin suggests we look at Netcraft, where we see that not only is IBM hosting SCO. It does it on Windows servers. So mainstream media, let's see those headlines:

IBM Provides Webhosting to SCO Group - Collusion Revealed

Fair's fair, gentlemen. Of course, you won't, because it's silly. So were the stories about Groklaw. I think you should correct those stories you put out that SCO immediately used as court exhibits. Just ask yourself: did you get the facts exactly right? If not, do you have a duty to correct the record? Is there a higher requirement for a journalist than to get the facts right? How about this for a headline?

SCO Again Smears PJ and Groklaw Because It Finds Them Incredibly Annoying
- A Few in the Media Fall For It

Update 2:

Groklaw member DaveJakeman has done some more research and finds that Caldera and SCO seem to use ibiblio and sunsite for many of their documentation needs. Take a look at his comment for an incredible list (note one corrected link, for the MetaFAQ). A couple of highlights. First, I enjoyed this Caldera page, where it lists a Caldera website page as a *mirror* for the main site to get documentation, and yes, the main site is none other than sunsite. It made me laugh.

Even better, SCO has a page where it tells you all about ELF. Let me allow DaveJakeman to take you on the tour:

The document http://docsrv.cal dera.com:8457/ en/FAQ/Linux/x1683.html encourages the use of and tells us how to make an ELF shared library:
6.11. How Do I Make a Shared Library?

For ELF,

$ gcc -fPIC -c *.c
$ gcc -shared -Wl,-soname,libfoo.so.1 -o libfoo.so.1.0 *.o For a.out, get tools-n.nn.tar.gz from tsx-11.mit.edu/pub/linux/packages/GCC/src/. It comes with documentation that will tell you what to do. Note that a.out shared libraries are a very tricky business. Consider upgrading your libraries to ELF shared libraries.

Nice of SCO to tell us it's OK to use their precious ELF.

Then the document links to the ELF-HOWTO at metalab.unc.edu, but unfortunately the HOWTO file no longer exists there. The ELF HOWTO can still be found easily enough though. Here is one dated 13 September 1995. It has this at the beginning:

1. What is ELF? An introduction

ELF (Executable and Linking Format) is a binary format originally developed by USL (UNIX System Laboratories) and currently used in Solaris and System V Release 4. Because of its increased flexibility over the older a.out format that Linux currently uses, the GCC and C library developers decided last year to move to using ELF as the Linux standard binary format also.

Hmm. So in 1995, official Linux, the Linus tree, so to speak didn't have ELF, although the page is all about how to do it yourself, if you wish, and adds, "The Kernel. As from at least 1.3.8, the development 1.3 series have a make config option to build using ELF tools." And this page says ELF was adopted by Linus by 1998. Say, didn't Darl McBride and the gang tell us repeatedly that it was only Linux 2.4 and above that was a problem? Why, yes. Here is just one place he did so, saying "We're not aiming at pre-2000 Linux." Here's another in French. But ELF was adopted by Linux prior to 2000. So how can SCO sue IBM over ELF after telling the world that we were all safe up to the 2.4 kernel in the year 2000? How mysterious SCO's claims are.


  


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Corrections Here
Authored by: red floyd on Sunday, April 08 2007 @ 01:00 AM EDT
In case of a mispeled werd.

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Off-Topic Here
Authored by: red floyd on Sunday, April 08 2007 @ 01:01 AM EDT
For various miscellaneous off-topic stuff.

Please make those links clicky -- follow the instructions in red, and use HTML
post mode!

In a strange fit of generosity, on-topic posts will not be punished :-)

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SCO uses IBM-donated ibiblio servers too!
Authored by: AcousticZen on Sunday, April 08 2007 @ 01:06 AM EDT
<shakes head, and then rests head in hands>

Amazing? Outlandish? Incredible?

Yes, incredible. As in all of SCO's claims, as well as Darl's public statments,
all lack credibility. After all, that's the purest meaning of the term.

Congratulations SCO and McBride; You had better tuck it in, you're hypocrisy and
incredibility are showing.

AZ

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SCO uses IBM-donated ibiblio servers too!
Authored by: kpl on Sunday, April 08 2007 @ 01:07 AM EDT
Sweet, I just about spewed onto my monitor.

Poetic justice is genuine. ;)

KPL

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SCO uses IBM-donated ibiblio servers too!
Authored by: nuthead on Sunday, April 08 2007 @ 01:13 AM EDT
Once, just once, when PJ does this sort of thing, I'd love to be a fly on the
wall at SCO. ;)

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What a tribute to Dan Lyons, senior editor at Forbes
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, April 08 2007 @ 01:14 AM EDT
A fine piece of investigative reporting Dan! If Pulitzer ever gives out rewards
for lazy incompetence I'm sure your name will be on their short list!

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I wonder if SCO ever considered this Pamela Jones?
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, April 08 2007 @ 01:56 AM EDT
There is a US Federal Trade Commisioner by the name of "Pamela Jones
Harbour".

http://www.ftc.gov/bios/commissioners.htm

Could you imagine the fun and games if SCO attempted to serve her with a
subpenoa?

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SCO "Tour" of ibiblio @ Chapel Hill, NC
Authored by: entre on Sunday, April 08 2007 @ 02:06 AM EDT
Maybe SCO and the legal interns at BS&F should take a tour of ibiblio to
clean out their precious IP. Is anyone taking bets on how long their code stays
available there? Pre or Post BK filings, anyone...

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Actually, Sam Palmisano is a mad scientist
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, April 08 2007 @ 02:11 AM EDT
who hopes that the Groklaw and SCO stuff residing on the same server will
swallow each other, creating a black hole that will destroy the earth.

muuahahahahahaha (evil scientist laugher, hands rubbing together)

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SCO uses IBM-donated ibiblio servers too!
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, April 08 2007 @ 02:22 AM EDT
Groklaw has done something unique in exposing a company's lawsuit for what it
really is. I wonder how many suits are won because the party that should
prevail has neither the resources or the exposure to find the truth. My hat is
off to all of the volunteers and readers of Groklaw.

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TSCOG can't learn
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, April 08 2007 @ 02:45 AM EDT
Whatever you do comes back to you, threefold.

Well we have seen parts 1 and 2, I can't wait for part 3.

Tufty

PS I said it was a bad plan to tickle the tail of the dragon.

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Put that in a movie and it is a comedy ...
Authored by: PolR on Sunday, April 08 2007 @ 03:16 AM EDT
... but no one would believe the plot. The movie would get dissed by the critics.

"Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn't."

~Mark Twain

On a different tone, someone needs to bring Information Week attention on their blunder. I guess competitors making fun of them will do.

I wonder if the judges read Groklaw every day. Since they are bound to read Groklaw at least once, the likelihood they read about this stunt is pretty high.

I imagine the judge going to the Groklaw archive and reading random articles to get a feel of the case. Or they may put their name on the search function to see what comes up. SCOG is really not thinking things through. There is no way any good for them can come out of forcing the judges to read Groklaw. Any remote possibility has vanished now the IBM connection is so thoroughly debunked.

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SCO uses IBM-donated ibiblio servers too!
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, April 08 2007 @ 03:54 AM EDT
There you have it! SCO is just a front for IBM lawyers! :p

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Well By SCO's logic then
Authored by: mobrien_12 on Sunday, April 08 2007 @ 04:11 AM EDT
Darl, sontag, gupta, et. al must be IBM employees, huh?

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A touch of.....?
Authored by: stevem on Sunday, April 08 2007 @ 04:13 AM EDT
I could be very mistaken. Wouldn't be the first time.

But is that just a touch of irony in this article Pamela?
Enquiring minds wish to be illuminated.

;-)

- SteveM

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Wait, there is a sinister connection between ibiblio and IBM
Authored by: crs17 on Sunday, April 08 2007 @ 04:41 AM EDT
Once upon a time, IBM stood for "International Business Machines".
But in the current acronym-loving climate, IBM has probably disavowed this
connection and claimed that IBM is no longer a set of initials.

But the truth is that IBM stands for "IBiblio's Mother". The
relationship couldn't be any closer!

<-:

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IS IT A GPL VIOLATION
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, April 08 2007 @ 05:06 AM EDT
i do not think so but can be wrong , they are providing source even if its
elsewhere it is a redirect that allows one to get the source.
So P.J. yah might want to rethink that statement as much as i'd like to see them
fry on a gpl violation , i do not htink it would fly.

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SCO violates the GPL by directing customers to another site for source code
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, April 08 2007 @ 05:35 AM EDT
Just to pick up on that .. is that REALLY a violation?

For example, if I didtribute a product containg some GPL code, and provide the
source on www.mydomain.com thats obviously OK.

What if I use a different domain, for example www.mydownloadsdomain.com thats
OK right?

What if I am getting lots of hits, big bandwidth, so I buy some space on
www.fastdownloads.com and host the source on there, thats surely OK.

What I'm trying to work out is why and at what point did SCO violate the GPL by
directing people to a different site. For all I know, they may have an agreement
with Ibiblio/sunsite, that allows them to host code there.

Of course if they DONT have an agreement and are just pointing people to some
random repository of source set up by someone else AND they are not still
providing the code themselves, well, yeah, thats obviously a violation.

I'd just like to be sure of the facts here before we accuse SCO of that. Of
course, it will make a GREAT headline if it does turn out to be a violation :)

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We should search for "ladies wearing red dresses next"
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, April 08 2007 @ 05:38 AM EDT
I'll bet we have some imposters that we need SCO-asize.
[sarcasm]

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Pardon me, but I don't see it ...
Authored by: argee on Sunday, April 08 2007 @ 05:46 AM EDT
sunsite (ibiblio) is not hosting SCO or any of their
software. What it has is stuff to enable LINUX programs
to run under SCO-ware. I am sure there are other sites
with this stuff as well.

Its not like they were hosting www.sco.com.

Must be a slow news week around here, I guess.


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You are completely wrong PJ
Authored by: Alan(UK) on Sunday, April 08 2007 @ 06:43 AM EDT
<troll>This is proof that ibiblio, Groklaw, and IBM are all working
together. ibiblio is giving away SCO code from its servers. You, yourself, admit
that it is SCO code because you found it by following links from the real SCO
site. Anyway it is GPL code; SCO owns all GPL code, including C++.
<p>
See how ibiblio keeps changing their name to avoid being tracked down. If we
knew what they were called we would have forced them to close down. As it is, we
are being unfairly accused of violating the GPL. We only distribute binaries and
the GPL says that if you only distribute binaries you are not complying with the
GPL; so you see the GPL does not apply to binaries. We will be issuing a
<i>cease and desist order<i/> as soon as we find out what street
152.46.7.80 is on.</troll>

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Microsoft is nailing up its own coffin from the inside.

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SCO uses IBM-donated ibiblio servers too!
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, April 08 2007 @ 06:48 AM EDT
What happens when SCO sends ibiblio.org a cease and desist concerning the
Groklaw blog? Who responds and defends Groklaw?

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SCO uses IBM-donated ibiblio servers too!
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, April 08 2007 @ 08:32 AM EDT
PJ!
Damn!
Now Groklaw OWES me a new keyboard!
Then I'll think about not putting sugar in my coffee anymore.

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Remove log before accussing others of splinters
Authored by: rjamestaylor on Sunday, April 08 2007 @ 08:33 AM EDT
Not only did SCO forget to simply check if it does or (merely) did use ibiblio
services before making its ridiculous allegations, the relevance of SCO's use
of "IBM-subsidized" services to the SCO vs. IBM case is 100% higher
than
Groklaw's. Groklaw is merely reporting on the happenings in a case and
making third-party statements of analysis (like a Geek version of CourtTV).
SCO, on the other hand, was, is and continues to use IBM-subsidized services
to distribute GPL'ed Linux source code that SCO claims violates its IP. So, even

if IBM __is__ distributing SCO's alleged IP, it is SCO that is the instigator
(in
this case) forcing IBM's hand to distribute its own IP.

Isn't that entrapment? (Ok, SCO isn't the gov't -- yet, but, in principle, how
can I be liable to you for letting you do something through me?)

Curiouser and curiouser.

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SCO delenda est! Salt their fields!

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Who actually donated the servers in question?
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, April 08 2007 @ 09:24 AM EDT
So who actually donated the server(s) that Groklaw uses?

I think this should be found out. It's really minor, but it'd be funny if it
turns out NOT to be IBM donated hardware.

Imagine if it was Caldera hardware? wouldn't that be hilarious!!

also, find out who donated, or whatever that server that SCO is using to host
those files, I'm guessing it was originally SUN (that in itself would be
interesting).

But still, if it's possible to find out, we should, just to dot every
"I" and cross every "T" so SCO really can't whine too much,
even though they couldn't anyhow...

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SCO uses IBM-donated ibiblio servers too!
Authored by: TheBlueSkyRanger on Sunday, April 08 2007 @ 09:44 AM EDT
Hey, everybody!

It seems part of the first stanza is very much a message to SCO instead of the
PMRC:

"Stop pretending that you've never been bad,
"You're never wrong and you've never been dirty.
"You're such a saint, that ain't the way we see you."

Everything SCO is doing would have worked beautifully for them a scant, say,
seven years ago. Then along comes PJ, and every rule changes by harnessing the
passion and resources of people who believe in the truth. SCO is not just
fighting for its survival, it's fighting to maintain a power structure that is
being ripped apart by the digital generation. And the funny part is, these
things would simply be isolated incidents on the Internet if SCO hadn't pulled
this and given it a reason to come together.

It is apropos that this is happening on Easter Sunday. I firmly believe that,
when PJ dies, she will be express laned into Heaven, where she will sit with God
beside all those who really made the world better. George Washington. Ben
Franklin. da Vinci. The inventor of Twinkies....

Dobre utka,
The Blue Sky Ranger

"You are a nexus. You turn, and the whole universe turns with you."
--Babylon 5
(sorry, don't remember the character, but used to describe Sheridan when he
went
to Zha'Ha'Dum)

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Mitigate Damages
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, April 08 2007 @ 09:50 AM EDT
Did anyone else notice this in the above article?

"Or they might just want to mitigate their damages."

I keep hearing,Buck Owens singing, "Tiger by the Tail"

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  • Mitigate Damages - Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, April 08 2007 @ 10:11 AM EDT
Mandatory warning
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, April 08 2007 @ 09:57 AM EDT
It's time for the federal government to step up and exercise its
responsibilities, by passing a law that all TSCOG filings must contain a warning
at the top and bottom of each page:

WARNING: Reading this text can be hazardous to your mental health! May contain
assertions that distort reality. Avoid operating keyboards in the presence of
beveredges.



dtangomike

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  • More like... - Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, April 10 2007 @ 12:31 PM EDT
GPLv3 section 11 paragraph 5
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, April 08 2007 @ 10:35 AM EDT
From Allison Randall:

"They will try to rephrase it in such a way that it doesn't impact the
legitimate deals. The task may prove impossible, which would significantly
hinder any software agreements around GPL'd software, in which case they'll
remove the paragraph and address their goals in a different way."

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Lawyers vs A Thousand Eyes...
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, April 08 2007 @ 11:08 AM EDT
As we have seen so many times in this case a bogus legal action can be generated
out of thin air.

The enabling mechanism is the warped definition of the truth -- as in "The
TRUTH is anything I can simply make up, including outright lies, that cannot
otherwise be proven false."

The lesson for those lawyer/clients -- beware of a Thousand Eyes -- they will
get you in the end...


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well done, sk43 !
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, April 08 2007 @ 12:42 PM EDT
Mr/Ms sk43:

(((( applause ))))

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at loss of words
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, April 08 2007 @ 01:50 PM EDT
I'm at loss of words.

Stupid is not enough of a word to describe them.

Maybe when the dust has settled and SCOX is nothing but a bad memory, we will
use SCOX as a term referring to utter deadly stupidity in its purest form.

Say for example:

* That thing Microsoft did was so SCOX.

* Today Steven Ballmer made one of his most SCOX remarks ever

* Patent cold war turned out to be a SCOX, it ultimately drove them to an early
death.

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Kettle, Meet Pot. :)
Authored by: SilverWave on Sunday, April 08 2007 @ 02:06 PM EDT
>SCO uses IBM-donated ibiblio servers too!

truth is stranger than fiction.

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how is this different from SLAPP ?
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, April 08 2007 @ 02:48 PM EDT
I'm still reading, but I don't seem to find a hint of difference between this SCO is doing and SLAPP (at least as defined in wikipedia)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SLAPP

Also interesting to note, the states where there's already ongoing action and/or legislation to define and prevent blatant SLAPP from happening
http://www.casp.net/menstate.html
Could the legally versed please help us understand ?

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SCO Now Spins Ibiblio As a Defense!!
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, April 08 2007 @ 03:25 PM EDT
Clearly IBM has forfeited its claims against SCO for copyright infringement
since IBM knew, or should have known, of the infringement by its support of
ibiblio and therefore implicitly agreed to the distribution of IBM'S copyrighted
materials.

Boy are we having FUN now!!


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  • No No No!!! - Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, April 08 2007 @ 04:19 PM EDT
SCO uses IBM-donated ibiblio servers too!
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, April 08 2007 @ 03:57 PM EDT
Contact Paul Jones??? Are you kidding me? PAUL JONES??? So iBiblio is just run
by PJ under another one of his/her aliases. Sheesh, no wonder SCO wants so
badly to find and expose this fraud!!!

;-)

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SCO's contribution to SunSITE/Metalab/iBiblio
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, April 08 2007 @ 05:37 PM EDT
...has not yet been received. SCOX warrants are not acceptable.

Put your bloody clothes back on, McBride.

Cash only.

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SCO & ibiblio
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, April 08 2007 @ 05:48 PM EDT
I searched for Caldera donations to ofibiblio. I did not find any donations
listed. Can any body else find it?

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  • SCO & ibiblio - Authored by: jmc on Sunday, April 08 2007 @ 06:02 PM EDT
  • here you go - Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, April 09 2007 @ 08:21 AM EDT
SCO uses IBM-donated ibiblio servers too!
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, April 08 2007 @ 08:47 PM EDT
woops!

sco just keeps outdoing itself as far as tripping over their own shoes goes.

just when yhou think they couldn't do worse the do.

LOL!

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M$ is behind PJ. Revealed here to the world for the first time (again)
Authored by: SirHumphrey on Sunday, April 08 2007 @ 09:05 PM EDT
If you take the ASCII value of the uppercase letters for IBM, you get 73, 66
and
77, totalling 216. Now adding those digits gives 9.

Repeat for PJ, and you get 80 and 74 totalling 154. Adding those digits gives
10. So you get to IBM, then PJ, so therefore IBM is behind PJ. Total proof.

But wait there's more, much more.
SCO is 83, 67, 79, totalling 229, and that gives 13, so PJ is actually behind
SCO. Imagine that!!! SCO is actually a front for PJ!!!!!.

Now for the clincher. MS is 77 and 83 = 160, giving 7. Even better, M$ is 77+36
= 113, giving 5.

So MS/M$ is behind this whole thing.

So SCO are fronting for PJ, who is fronting for IBM, who are fronting for
MS/M$.

Case CLOSED.

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Caldera's use of Metalab and ibiblio servers
Authored by: DodgeRules on Monday, April 09 2007 @ 09:52 AM EDT
Caldera used Metalab and ibiblio servers as a mirror to their distributions back on Feb 8, 2001 and on through at least October 2, 2003

How fitting that we have an April 1st (2003) snapshot for those April Fools (Caldera/SCO, NOT ibiblio!)

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Pages Soon to Disappear from SCO's Website
Authored by: DaveJakeman on Monday, April 09 2007 @ 10:20 AM EDT

Here are more links from SCO to ibiblio (some of which no longer function). I haven't listed all the links I found, just so as to make it a little harder for SCO to rewrite their history.

More links from SCO to sunsite.unc.edu:
http://www.sco.com/skun kware/audiovis/index.html
ftp://ftp2.sco .com/pub/skunkware/emulators/lxrun-FAQ.html
http:// docsrv.sco.com:8457/cgi-bin/info2html?(gettext)References
http://uw714doc.sco.com/cgi-bin/info2html?(gcc.info)Configurations&la ng=en

Links from caldera.com to sunsite.unc.edu:
htt p://docsrv.caldera.com:8457/cgi-bin/info2html?(mgetty.info.gz)ftp
h ttp://docsrv.caldera.com:8457/en/CppProg/C++Programming-HOWTO-23.html
ht tp://docsrv.caldera.com:8457/en/CVS-RCS-Howto/CVS-RCS-HOWTO-18.html
http://docsrv.caldera.com:8457/en/SerialProg/Serial-Programming-HOWTO-1.htm l
http://docsrv.c aldera.com:8457/en/FAQ/PPP/PPP-FAQ-2.html
http://docsrv.caldera.com:8457/en/Howto/mini/Soundblaster-AWE/Soun dblaster-AWE-1.html
http://docsrv.caldera.com:8457/en/Howto/mini/ISP-Connectivity/ISP- Connectivity-1.html
http://docsrv.caldera.com:8457/cgi-bin/info2html?(gettext.info.gz)Reference s
http:// docsrv.caldera.com:8457/en/kdeug/source-distribution.html
http: //docsrv.caldera.com:8457/en/kdeug/linux-installing-rpms.html
http ://docsrv.caldera.com:8457/en/Howto/mini/NFS-Root/NFS-Root.html
http://docsrv.caldera.com:8457/en/Guides/Linux-From-Scratch/appendixc.html
http://docsrv.caldera.com:8457/cgi-bin/man?mansearchword=fs&mansection= 5
http://docsrv.caldera.com:8457/cgi-bin/man?mansearchword=umssync&m ansection=8
http://docsrv.caldera.com:8457/en/Howto/mini/Netrom-Node/Netrom-Node-2.html< /a>
htt p://docsrv.caldera.com:8457/en/Howto/Belgian/Belgian-HOWTO-6.html
http://d ocsrv.caldera.com:8457/en/Howto/mini/Quota/Quota-3.html
http://docsrv.caldera.com:8457/en/Howto/mini/Process-Accounting/requir ements.html
http://docsrv.caldera.com:8457/cgi-bin/man?mansearchword=mcedit&man section=1
http://docsrv.caldera.com:8457/en/Howto/mini/Battery-Powered/Battery -Powered-5.html
http://docsrv.caldera.com:8457/en/Howto/mini/Xterm-Title/Xterm-Title-1.html< /a>
htt p://docsrv.caldera.com:8457/en/Guides/System-Admin-Guide/f32.html
http://doc srv.caldera.com:8457/en/Howto/BRIDGE-STP/index.html
http://docsrv.caldera.com:8457/en/Howto/Text-Terminal/Text-Terminal-HOW TO-9.html
http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/META-F AQ.html
http://docsrv.caldera.com:8457/en/Howto/BRIDGE-STP/preparing-the-bridge.htm l
h ttp://docsrv.caldera.com:8457/en/Howto/AI-Alife/AI-Alife-HOWTO-2.html
http://docsrv.caldera.com:8457/cgi-bin/info2html?( g77)OPEN%2520CLOSE%2520and%2520INQUIRE%2520Keywords

Links from caldera.com to metalab.unc.edu:
http://docsrv.cal dera.com:8457/en/FAQ/Linux/x1234.html
http:// docsrv.caldera.com:8457/en/Howto/CDROM/CDROM-HOWTO-6.html
http://docsrv. caldera.com:8457/en/Howto/translations.html
http://docsrv.cald era.com:8457/en/FAQ/Linux/x346.html
http://docsrv.cal dera.com:8457/en/FAQ/Linux/x1683.html
http://docsrv.cal dera.com:8457/en/FAQ/Linux/x2951.html
http://docsrv.cal dera.com:8457/en/FAQ/Linux/x1955.html
http://docsrv.caldera.com:8457/cgi-bin/man?mansearchword=mtools&man section=1
http://docsrv.caldera.com:8457/cgi-bin/info2html?(fdutils.info.gz)Location
http://docsrv.cal dera.com:8457/en/FAQ/Linux/x3653.html
http://docsrv.cal dera.com:8457/en/FAQ/Linux/x2388.html
http://docsrv.ca ldera.com:8457/en/AssemblyProg/dos.html
http://docsrv.cal dera.com:8457/en/FAQ/Linux/x3471.html
http://docsrv.caldera.com:8457/cgi-bin/info2html?(mtools. info.gz)high%2520capacity%2520formats
http://docsrv.caldera.com:8457/en/Howto/CPU-Design/CPU-Design-HOWTO-8.html
http://docsrv.ca ldera.com:8457/en/AssemblyProg/gcc.html
http://doc srv.caldera.com:8457/en/KDEdoc/kcontrol/laptop.html
http://docsrv.calde ra.com:8457/en/Howto/special.html
http://docsrv.cal dera.com:8457/en/Howto/copyright.html
http://docsrv.caldera.com:8457/cgi-bin/man?mansearchword=efax&mansect ion=1
http://docsrv.cal dera.com:8457/en/FAQ/Linux/x1446.html
http://docs rv.caldera.com:8457/en/Howto/PHP/PHP-HOWTO-5.html
http://docsrv.caldera.com:8457/en/Howto/Filesystems/Filesystems-HOWTO.html
h ttp://docsrv.caldera.com:8457/en/Howto/AI-Alife/AI-Alife-HOWTO-5.html
http://do csrv.caldera.com:8457/en/Howto/mini/FDU/truetype.html
http://docsrv.caldera.com:8457/en/Howto/Diskless/Diskless-HOWTO-12.html
http://docsrv .caldera.com:8457/en/Howto/SCSI-2.4/refs.html
http://docsrv.caldera.com:8457/en/Howto/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals/x 45.html
http ://docsrv.caldera.com:8457/en/Howto/Serial/Serial-HOWTO-11.html

L inks from sco.com to ibiblio.org:
http://osr600doc.sco.com/cgi-bin/man?mansearchword=perlmodlib &mansection=1&lang=en

Links from caldera.com to ibiblio.org:
http://docsrv.cald era.com:8457/en/Howto/location.html
http://docsrv.caldera.com:8457/en/Howto/mini/Howtos-with-L inuxDoc/Howtos-with-LinuxDoc-4.html
http://docsrv.calde ra.com:8457/en/FAQ/Linux/x13.html

It seems ibiblio is quite an important part of SCO's operation, don't you think? Maybe "is" should read "was". It certainly was.

The document http://docsrv.cal dera.com:8457/en/FAQ/Linux/x1683.html encourages the use of and tells us how to make an ELF shared library:

6.11. How Do I Make a Shared Library?

For ELF,

$ gcc -fPIC -c *.c
$ gcc -shared -Wl,-soname,libfoo.so.1 -o libfoo.so.1.0 *.o
For a.out, get tools-n.nn.tar.gz from tsx-11.mit.edu/pub/linux/packages/GCC/src/. It comes with documentation that will tell you what to do. Note that a.out shared libraries are a very tricky business. Consider upgrading your libraries to ELF shared libraries.
Nice of SCO to tell us it's OK to use their precious ELF.

Then the document links to the ELF-HOWTO at metalab.unc.edu, but unfortunately the HOWTO file no longer exists there. The ELF HOWTO can still be found easily enough though. Here is one dated 13 September 1995. It has this at the beginning:

1. What is ELF? An introduction

ELF (Executable and Linking Format) is a binary format originally developed by USL (UNIX System Laboratories) and currently used in Solaris and System V Release 4. Because of its increased flexibility over the older a.out format that Linux currently uses, the GCC and C library developers decided last year to move to using ELF as the Linux standard binary format also.

It's good of SCO to point out where ELF came from.

The last document listed on SCO's website, http://docsrv.calde ra.com:8457/en/FAQ/Linux/x13.html contains this little gem:

1.1. What Is Linux?
Linux is the kernel of operating systems that look like and perform as well or better than the famous operating system from AT&T Bell Labs. Linus Torvalds and a loosely knit team of volunteer hackers from across the Internet wrote (and still are writing) Linux from scratch. It has all of the features of a modern, fully fledged operating system: true multitasking, threads, virtual memory, shared libraries, demand loading, shared, copy-on-write executables, proper memory management, loadable device driver modules, video frame buffering, and TCP/IP networking...

The Linux kernel is distributed under the GNU General Public License.

Writing it from scratch? Not copying wholesale from SCO's proclaimed precious Unix source code? According to SCO? Gosh! Perhaps SCO should let IBM in on this secret. Oh, wait, it's not a secret, is it?

Section 1.11 of the same document says this:

1.11. Is Linux Public Domain? Copyrighted?
The Linux trademark belongs to Linus Torvalds. He has placed the Linux kernel under the GNU General Public License, which basically means that you may freely copy, change, and distribute it, but you may not impose any restrictions on further distribution, and you must make the source code available...
And this:
1.12. Is Linux *nix?
Not officially, until it passes the Open Group's certification tests, and supports the necessary API's. Even very few of the commercial operating systems have passed the Open Group tests. For more information, see http://www.unix-systems.or g/what_is_unix.html.
And of course, the link to www.unix-systems.org redirects us to http://www.unix.org/what_is_unix.h tml, which gives the definitive answer to the question "What is Unix?"

I think it's nice of SCO to use ibiblio to put these things straight, don't you?

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Difference between ibiblio and IBM hosting SCO stuff
Authored by: pem on Monday, April 09 2007 @ 11:07 AM EDT
I agree this whole SCO accusation is silly at best (other words come to mind,
but PJ won't let me use them here). I think that SCO leeching off ibiblio for
hosting their source code is despicable, that IBM funding ibiblio is noble, and
that the whole SCO brigade is <redacted>.

However, please don't for a minute conflate IBM hosting SCO's investor relations
with this issue. SCO will probably quite happily admit to this, and remember
how their admissions always contain extra text you didn't ask for?

I can see it now: "Yes, we PAY IBM for this service, just like IBM PAYS
ibiblio for the groklaw service. IBM has been doing a great job for our
investor relations, just like PJ has been doing a great job for IBM."

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IBM New Slogan
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, April 09 2007 @ 02:20 PM EDT
"We host even for our enemies."

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SCO takes a page from an old Microsoft marketing campaign
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, April 09 2007 @ 02:36 PM EDT
"How do we want to screw up our lawsuit today?"

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Please PJ, health warning!!
Authored by: bigbert on Monday, April 09 2007 @ 04:47 PM EDT
You have cost me 3 keyboards already, and today the fourth one went the
coffee-spurting route to the grave. Please mark your articles with a health
warning, such as "Do not read the following while drinking coffee. It may
be hazardous to the health of your keyboard"

;-)

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The best reason why these kinds of lawsuits are bad
Authored by: rsmith on Monday, April 09 2007 @ 05:07 PM EDT

Matt Asay (who is a lawyer and runs an open source blog) says it better in this blog post than I could;

"I don't believe the law should be used as a club".

This is the shortest summary I've yet seen of why SCO's strategy is morally wrong.

"Good things come from discussion. Bad things come from litigation. It's rare that litigation truly resolves anyone's problems".

Straight from the horse's mouth. IMHO there are a bunch of executives and lawyers who should sit up and take notice.

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Earlier linux ELF support
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, April 09 2007 @ 05:17 PM EDT
If I recall correctly, 1.2.8 had ELF support for binaries (not the kernel).
Looking at the 1.0 CHANGES file, Eric Youngdale apparently implemented it back
in the 0.99 days. 1.0 was released in mid March of 1994.

I performed a search for Eric, and while I wasn't able to determine for whom he
was working in 1994 or earlier, I did find the following details:

Eric wrote a number of articles for Linux Journal, but the author blurb did not
indicate for whom he worked. One of them written in 2004 indicated that he had
been working with Linux for two years at that point - far earlier than anyone at
IBM would be interested in, and before (old) SCO owned the UNIX business.

Prior to mid-April of 1994, his recorded email addresses were unqualified host
names - unusable for this purpose.
In mid-April of 1994, he had an email address at cais.com, which he used in
conjunction with the mkisofs mailing list; this address was also used on other
mailing lists, including the gas2 list, where he talked about specific ELF
issues. He appeared to change email address in September 1994 to aib.com, which
he then proceeded to use through at least 1997. He (or another developer with
the same name, working on one of the same projects) had an email with a jic.com
email address in 1996 and 1997.

There is at least one copyright notice with his name, and dates of 1994-1997
with an address of andante.org.

If I were to guess at what the various bits I've found indicate, when put
together, it would be that Eric was a student at the time, and not in any way
affiliated with IBM. Of course, since I didn't get involved with Linux to any
great extent before 1996, and didn't get to know any of the big name developers,
I really don't know.

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Hornet's nets
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, April 09 2007 @ 06:02 PM EDT
See what happens when you shove a stick into a hornet's nest and stir it
around?

SCO, BS&F - how stupid can you be?

Any other shenanigans you want to try and pull to get back at PJ and Groklaw and
silence either?

I suggest you wrap your tail firmly between your legs, whimper off, and find a
rock to hide under.

Failing that, accept that you have just been beaten with a clue stick, a large
one. Interestingly, I hear it has a brother named Louisville Slugger - that
ones waiting for when you loose this case.

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How Come...
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, April 09 2007 @ 06:21 PM EDT
every time SCOx opens their collective mouths, they put their foot in it?

Oh, they are the predecessors only when the implications are with them.

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SCO - Host on their own petard! n/t
Authored by: SirHumphrey on Monday, April 09 2007 @ 06:31 PM EDT
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SLAPP in Utah
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, April 09 2007 @ 08:16 PM EDT
for what I've seen, to prevent participation of Groklaw through a strategic lawsuit, should probably qualify as SLAPP
Utah Legislature passes anti-SLAPP bill By The Associated Press 03.06.01 Editor's note: H.B. 112 was signed into law March 15 and went into effect April 30.

SALT LAKE CITY A bill designed to stop frivolous lawsuits against people who speak out at public meetings finally got the state Legislature's approval last week after foundering in two previous sessions.
http: //www.freedomforum.org/templates/document.asp?documentID=13311
Jacob accused Bezzant of defamation when the newspaper identified Jacob in an editorial as the author of what it called a negative campaign flier inserted in the newspaper the week before the 1999 municipal election.
"We don't believe that the Anti-SLAPP statute applies to the facts of this case," Spencer said. But when the court dismissed Jacob's claim in 2004, the judge ruled that the lawsuit's purpose was to chill the newspaper's "participation in the process of government."
http://www.casp.net/bezzant.html
how the Utah SLAPP statute was used in the case of parents of kids under treatment vs. AT Clinic
http://www .childrenintherapy.org/newsroom/atnews/20040703.html
http://www.ch ildrenintherapy.org/newsroom/atnews/index.html
This serves to show SLAPP law can be used to counter strategic moves for censorship of information that are not necessarily government-related.

Utah Anti-SLAPP Statute Applied to Dismiss Defamation
Claim Against Newspaper
Court's Application of Statute is First of its Kind in State MLRC Media Law Letter
April 2004
http://www.pwlaw.com/articles/78.pdf

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  • SLAPP in Utah - Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, April 09 2007 @ 08:56 PM EDT
Next suit against Ibiblio?
Authored by: grouch on Monday, April 09 2007 @ 09:14 PM EDT
Look for a new lawsuit from the SCOGlodytes, filed against Ibiblio for distributing the precioussss without the paymentssss.

Naturally, all other suits will have to be placed on hold while this new one proceeds through motions and discovery and arguments and discovery and amended complaints and discovery... Anything less would be irreparably prejudicial to SCOG!

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SCO stock price
Authored by: Slimbo on Monday, April 09 2007 @ 09:21 PM EDT
SCO's stock price has been below $1.00 for a month now. How long before they
get delisted?

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SCO Relies on gnu.org and redhat.com To Provide ELF Support for UnixWare Customers
Authored by: sk43 on Monday, April 09 2007 @ 09:46 PM EDT
SCO's Release 7.1.4 of its software development kit for UnixWare (UDK)
http://www.sco.com/products/unixware714/udk.html
includes a number of features, including the Open Source Tool Kit:

"Also included is Release 2.0.4 of the supported Open Source Tool
Kit. This kit includes the GNU Tool Chain including a set of compilers,
debugger, object tools, libraries, and other opens source tools that can
be used to develop, enhance and compile UNIX programs for use on SCO
UnixWare 7.1.4, UnixWare 7.1.3, ..."

Fantastic. Further documentation is found at
ftp://ftp.sco.com/pub/unixware7/713/ostknotes.htm and
ftp://ftp.sco.com/pub/unixware7/714/ostknotes.htm

The kit contains the following modules

gcc
binutils
gdb
make
m4
gawk
bison
texinfo
automake
autoconf

Wow, there is our old friend "binutils" again, along with its partners
in ELF crime, "gcc" and "gdb". The documentation explains
that binutils includes such programs as:

"readelf - Displays information from any ELF format object file."

And where do you go for further help on using "readelf"? In the uw713
file, there are links to:

Online information: www.gnu.org/software/binutils/binutils.html.
Online documentation: sources.redhat.com/binutils/docs-2.10.
(uw714 points to www.gnu.org only).

Cool! At the same time that Darl McBride was spouting "There will be a
day of reckoning for Red Hat ..." http://www.crn.com/it-channel/18830075
he was directing his paying customers to Red Hat's website to get support
information on the use of infringing ELF code on UnixWare.

Sounds fun, right? But wait, there's more. The toolkits themselves can
also be downloaded from SCO's ftp site:

ftp://ftp.sco.com/pub/unixware7/713/OSTools-2.0.3.ds
ftp://ftp.sco.com/pub/unixware7/714/OSTools-2.0.4.ds

All the stuff is there, such as
GNUbinutl/root.1/usr/gnu/bin/readelf
GNUbinutl/root.1/usr/gnu/lib/libbfd.a

The second item is the library with infringing ELF code against which one
can link new applications.

So what license covers this code? The file GNUbinutl/install/copyright
says:

"Copyright (C) 1992,93,94,95,96,97,98,99,2000 Free Software Foundation,
Inc."

"The GNU assembler, object tools and libraries are provided under the
terms and conditions of the GNU General Public License (GPL), Version 2,
dated June 1991 and the GNU Library General Public License (LIB GPL),
Version 2, also dated June 1991."

"A complete copy of the GPL and LIB GPL (from the GCC 2.95.3 release)
will be installed in /usr/gnu/share/COPYING and
/usr/gnu/share/COPYING.LIB, respectively."

(which, in fact, they are). And what is the date of release of the latest
version, OSTools-2.0.4.ds?

ARCH=i386
PKG=GNUbinutl
NAME=GNU binutils
DESC=GNU assembler and binary utilities for UnixWare 7.1.x and Open UNIX
8.0
VERSION=2.10.1 b
VENDOR=The SCO Group, Inc.
CATEGORY=OSTools
CLASSES=binutils
PSTAMP=Open Source Tools 2.0.4 - binutils-2.10.1 - 03/08/2004

That's right, Mar 8, 2004, one year AFTER SCO filed its lawsuit against IBM and
one month BEFORE Brent Hatch informed Todd Shaughnessy that, regarding
binutils,

"1. SCO, as the copyright owner of the source code and/or documentation
upon which the following files and lnes of code were copied or derived,
has never contributed or authorized these lines of code, or the
documentation related thereto, for use in Linux as specified in part 0, or
any other provisions, of the GPL.

2. SCO, as the copyright owner of source code and/or documentation upon
which the following files and lines of code were copied or derived, has
never granted a license to any party that knowingly authorized use of
these files or lines of code outside a UNIX-based distribution.

3. All of the following files or lines of code, or files and lines similar
thereto, have appeared in major releases of Linux, and have also appeared
in SCO's redistribution of Linux. At the time it redistributed Linux, SCO
was not aware that its intellectual property had been copied or
misappropriated and placed into Linux without SCO's authorization or
consent."

Gee, whatever happened to SCO's contention that "The Novell license to TIS
explicitly limited its scope to non-UNIX system, such as Windows, which were not
based on System V." (SCO's Memo in Opposition to IBM's Motion for PSJ on
CC10 [956, p. 73]). I am unable to find anything in the documentation of the
Open Source Tool Kit indicating that binutils is not to be used outside a
UNIX-based distribution or limited to Windows. I am unable to find any notice
that any of the materials in the Open Source Tool Kit are copyrighted in any way
by The SCO Group.

I am also not able to find either the source code or a link to the source code
or a written offer to provide source code. Hmmmm!!!

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Tufty is right. Someone will pay a "virtual" premium to buy stock that pushes it over $1
Authored by: SirHumphrey on Tuesday, April 10 2007 @ 01:33 AM EDT
Just before the magical 30 business trading days, Party A sells 1000 (or
whatever is necessary) shares at $1+ to Party B, who then sells them back to
Party A the next day, at the same price. It's a virtual premium because they
don't lose any money on the deal amongst themselves. And all for a small
broker's fee.

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LAMLAW's Easter Message - Sco to hell ...
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, April 10 2007 @ 01:59 AM EDT
http://www.lamlaw.com/tiki-read_article.php?articleId=194

The more I real Lewis, the more I enjoy his blog.

DSM

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So Now We Know What Causes the Server Problems
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, April 10 2007 @ 02:17 AM EDT
So finally, the truth comes out. Groklaw and SCO are on the same IBM server. The root of the animosity between the two is they are fighting over server space. Darl complains that PJ's blog is taking up all the space and there's no room for his stuff. PJ replies that at least people want to read her blog, while no one wants to look at Darl's ratty old OS. Darl doesn't like being reminded of that, so he stomps off in a huff.

Now I know why I can't access Groklaw sometimes. Whenever someone starts downloading an SCO ISO, Groklaw gets knocked off line. Darl is sitting in his basement downloading the same SCO ISO over and over again while he giggles to himself. He knows it annoys PJ, but he also knows she can't bring herself to give the annoying little jerk the swat he deserves.

I'm sorry to tell you this PJ, but you're just going to have to get stern with him. I know it seemed like you were being nice to let Darl use the extra space on your server, but some kids never learn things like gratitude or how to share. They then grow up to become investment bankers or software CEOs where being able to say "mine!", "mine!", "mine!" is considered to be a career advantage. You're just going to have to take the server away from him. It might seem like you are being a bit mean to him at first, but believe me it's all for the best in the long run.

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Evidence deadline
Authored by: OldFogey on Tuesday, April 10 2007 @ 03:44 AM EDT
Question: if the accusations about ELF etc. are still part of the case, is it
too late to amend the filings to reflect the (newly discovered?) facts that
Linux has supported ELF since version 1, that Caldera is (possibly still)
publicly distributing some of the disputed files, and so on?

In other words, if the recent research includes legally pertinent information
independently discovered, can it be included in the case? I know that SCO would
like to reopen discovery to delay trial, or to get new claims added to the case.
However, is there any room for new facts to be included in the trial? (I
strongly suspect that IBM will prevail with the set of facts as they stand, but
if new facts arise the further bury SCO, I wouldn't mind if they were included
too.)

Carl

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SCO uses IBM-donated ibiblio servers too! - Updated 2Xs
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, April 10 2007 @ 06:58 AM EDT
I wonder what SCO were thinking when they decided to do this. The reaction is
predictable really. And you have to think that they would have at least been
quite worried that Groklaw would poke great big holes in their claims.

The only thing I can think is that they thought it would be a good way to
distract Groklaw or shut you up PJ.

Everyone, is there maybe stuff that PJ can't talk about as a result of this? I
didn't see anything that made me think so immediately, but maybe I'm wrong. And
as a corrollary, if there could be, could there be any way to help her?

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Link at sco.com is dead ;)
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, April 10 2007 @ 08:43 AM EDT
ftp://ftp2.sco.com/pub/skunkware/ emulators/lxrun/mirror/linux-libs/linuxlibs.tar.gz is dead...

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