decoration decoration
Stories

GROKLAW
When you want to know more...
decoration
For layout only
Home
Archives
Site Map
Search
About Groklaw
Awards
Legal Research
Timelines
ApplevSamsung
ApplevSamsung p.2
ArchiveExplorer
Autozone
Bilski
Cases
Cast: Lawyers
Comes v. MS
Contracts/Documents
Courts
DRM
Gordon v MS
GPL
Grokdoc
HTML How To
IPI v RH
IV v. Google
Legal Docs
Lodsys
MS Litigations
MSvB&N
News Picks
Novell v. MS
Novell-MS Deal
ODF/OOXML
OOXML Appeals
OraclevGoogle
Patents
ProjectMonterey
Psystar
Quote Database
Red Hat v SCO
Salus Book
SCEA v Hotz
SCO Appeals
SCO Bankruptcy
SCO Financials
SCO Overview
SCO v IBM
SCO v Novell
SCO:Soup2Nuts
SCOsource
Sean Daly
Software Patents
Switch to Linux
Transcripts
Unix Books

Gear

Groklaw Gear

Click here to send an email to the editor of this weblog.


You won't find me on Facebook


Donate

Donate Paypal


No Legal Advice

The information on Groklaw is not intended to constitute legal advice. While Mark is a lawyer and he has asked other lawyers and law students to contribute articles, all of these articles are offered to help educate, not to provide specific legal advice. They are not your lawyers.

Here's Groklaw's comments policy.


What's New

STORIES
No new stories

COMMENTS last 48 hrs
No new comments


Sponsors

Hosting:
hosted by ibiblio

On servers donated to ibiblio by AMD.

Webmaster
SCO's Memo in Opposition to Novell's Expedited Motion to Compel
Monday, November 27 2006 @ 11:59 PM EST

SCO only likes motions to compel discovery when they are the ones filing them.

Now that it is Novell asking to compel discovery from SCO, they are appalled. And in today's filing, SCO's Memorandum in Opposition to Novell's Expedited Motion to Compel Production of Deposition Transcripts and Exhibits from SCO v. IBM [PDF], with Exhibits [PDF], they are dancing just as fast as they can, claiming to have complied in full already. They said they'd turn everything relevant over to Novell in plenty of time, and they did so. How could anyone doubt them? So, the court has nothing to compel.

I notice, however, that Novell filed its motion to compel [PDF] and memo in support [PDF] and Declaration of Kenneth W. Brakebill [PDF] with exhibits on November 7th, and only after that did SCO turn over 35 deposition transcripts on November 16, then on November 21 another 22. And then on the next day, they turned over 1,047 exhibits for the responsive transcripts. SCO, if you do its math, admits to having turned over only 6 transcripts prior to Novell's motion being filed. Novell in its motion said SCO had turned over "transcripts (and partial, in some cases) from only five of the approximately eighty-two SCO v. IBM deponents."

So now you know why lawyers file motions to compel. If SCO is in compliance -- and I doubt Novell agrees it is, since footnotes in SCO's filing list some transcripts it didn't turn over and my calculations show approximately twenty deponents not yet accounted for -- it's only because of a sudden scurrying about this month to try to look compliant for the purposes of this motion.

SCO says it's still reviewing the rest of the transcripts in the IBM case, but they don't seem to them to be relevant, but if they've overlooked something, why SCO will naturally turn it over as soon as they realize it. The problem they face is that Novell in its motion asked for *all* transcripts and exhibits from SCO v. IBM and it requested that "SCO should also be compelled to describe, on a transcript by transcript basis, why any withheld transcripts do not reasonably relate to a claim or defense in this litigation."

Ah, definitions of terms on the horizon. What is relevant? SCO hopes the court will notice their wonderful compliance and trust them to know what is and isn't relevant. The problem SCO has is Judge Brooke Wells has just been assigned as the magistrate judge in this case too, not just in SCO v. IBM, and SCO represented to her that SCO was in full compliance on all discovery orders in that case, and she strongly disagreed, writing in her June order, "In the view of the court it is almost like SCO sought to hide its case until the ninth inning in hopes of gaining an unfair advantage despite being repeatedly told to put 'all evidence . . . on the table'." So there's some water under the bridge here, and there are no more virgins involved. Everyone has watched SCO's discovery machinations for three years in SCO v. IBM, so if SCO is sounding nervous, they have every rational reason to be.

Also, there is something odd. SCO says that it has now turned over 66 deposition transcripts and the 1,047 associated exhibits since Novell's motion was filed. But it also says that it has turned over a total of 1,095 exhibits, and a footnote mentions some 600 exhibits attached to motions they also turned over to Novell. I would think, though, that most of those would be available to Novell from Pacer, as they are to the general public. Some might be sealed, but surely not all 600. In any case, you can see, no matter how you do the math, that SCO didn't turn over the bulk of what it has now delivered to Novell until after Novell filed the motion to compel.

So why the hurried compliance? I'm just guessing, but my feel is that somebody was delaying, probably because there is something they'd rather not turn over at all, and after they got hit with the motion to compel and that horrifying request for a breakdown of reasons why any withheld items are not relevant, somebody did some research and found out that the way to turn back such a request is to show yourself compliant and eager to do the right thing. So, 180 turnaround, and here's the compliant version of SCO. Novell has been watching too, of course, and it may not be willing to take SCO's word for a blessed thing. You think?

By the way, just a reminder that there is a hearing in SCO v. IBM on November 30 at 3:30 PM in Room 102 before Judge Wells. It's regarding IBM's Motion to Confine SCO's Claims to, and Strike Allegations in Excess of, the Final Disclosures, so it's an important hearing. I hope some of you can attend and will send us news. It looks like Chris will be unable to attend this one.

**********************

Brent O. Hatch (5715)
Mark F. James (5295)
HATCH, JAMES & DODGE
[address, phone, fax]

Robert Silver (admitted pro hac vice)
Edward Normand (admitted pro hac vice)
BOIES, SCHILLER & FLEXNER LLP
[address, phone, fax]

Stuart H. Singer (admitted pro hac vice)
BOIES, SCHILLER & FLEXNER LLP
[address, phone, fax]

Stephen N. Zack (admitted pro hac vice)
BOIES, SCHILLER & FLEXNER LLP
[address, phone, fax]

Attorneys for The SCO Group, Inc.

_________________________________

IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE DISTRICT OF UTAH

_______________________________

THE SCO GROUP, INC.,

Plaintiff/Counterclaim Defendant,

v.

NOVELL, INC.,

Defendant/Counterclaim-Plaintiff.

______________________________

SCO'S MEMORANDUM IN
OPPOSITION TO NOVELL'S EXPEDITED MOTION TO COMPEL
PRODUCTION OF DEPOSITION
TRANSCRIPTS AND EXHIBITS
FROM SCO V. IBM

Case No. 2:04CV00139

Honorable Dale A. Kimball

Magistrate Judge Brooke C. Wells

Plaintiff, The SCO Group, Inc. ("SCO"), respectfully submits this memorandum in opposition to Novell's Expedited Motion to Compel the Production of Transcripts and Exhibits from SCO v. IBM.

INTRODUCTION

Novell's Motion is based on the unfounded and incorrect suspicion that SCO would not produce certain documents in discovery. Novell seeks deposition transcripts and exhibits from the IBM Litigation that are reasonably related to the claims and defenses in this case. Novell filed the Motion despite SCO's assurances that it would produce the documents in time for Novell to use them in fact depositions. SCO has done just that: SCO produced the documents over two months before the discovery deadline and before the parties have even scheduled any depositions. Indeed, SCO has exceeded its obligations by producing the documents in their entirety, without redacting the vast portions of unresponsive testimony or withholding or redacting the corresponding exhibits. If not withdrawn, as it should be, the Motion should be denied for lack of anything to compel.

STATEMENT OF FACTS

On December 6, 2005, the parties entered into a Scheduling Order and Order Vacating Hearing in which SCO authorized "Novell to have attorneys-eyes only access to those confidential materials in the SCO v. IBM case, including document productions, depositions, under-seal briefings, and discovery responses, that reasonably relate to a claim or defense in this litigation." (Ex. 1 ΒΆ 2.l.) Later that month, Novell served upon SCO forty-five (45) document requests, including a request seeking relevant materials from the IBM Litigation.

2

In January 2006, SCO produced over half a million pages of materials responsive to those requests. On February 8 and 9, SCO resent those materials to Novell in a different format, per Novell's request, along with additional supplemental materials SCO had produced to IBM in the interim. Also on February 8, counsel for IBM consented to the production to Novell of confidential transcripts and other documents from the IBM Litigation. Shortly thereafter, SCO started review of responsive deposition transcripts, and by March 30, had produced to Novell at least nine transcripts containing the most extensive responsive testimony.

On April 10, Novell filed its motion to stay SCO's claims. On August 21, the Court granted and denied that motion in part. On September 29, Novell filed its pending motion for summary judgment or preliminary injunction. On October 4, SCO moved for an extension of the time to respond to that motion and for an extension of the discovery deadline. On October 24, the Court extended the discovery deadline to February 1, 2007, based in part on the finding that "both parties undoubtedly delayed their discovery efforts during the pendency of Novell's motion to stay pending the SuSE arbitration."

On October 11, while SCO's October 4 motion was pending, counsel for Novell complained to counsel for SCO that "SCO has produced just five depositions from the IBM case and Novell is prepared to compel, if necessary." (Ex. 2.) On November 2, having explained SCO's continuing efforts to respond to IBM's six pending motions for summary judgment, SCO informed Novell that "SCO will produce those transcripts, or where appropriate portions of transcripts, from the SCO v. IBM case containing testimony that reasonably relates to claims or defenses in the SCO v. Novell case." (Ex. 3.) Counsel for SCO further assured counsel for Novell that SCO "will begin a rolling production of such transcripts or portions of transcripts as

3

soon as practicable, and in time to permit the use of the material for fact depositions in this matter." (Id) Despite these assurances, Novell filed this Motion on November 7.

On November 11, having obtained two weeks of additional time to respond, SCO filed its memoranda in opposition to IBM's six motions for summary judgment in the IBM Litigation. SCO's filing comprised over 900 pages of briefing and almost 400 exhibits1 comprising more than 10,000 pages. On November 16, SCO produced that filing in its entirety to Novell, including thirty-five (35) additional deposition transcripts responsive to Novell's request for such materials. On November 21, SCO produced twenty-two (22) additional deposition transcripts. On November 22, SCO produced the exhibits for all the responsive transcripts, a total of 1,047 exhibits of the approximately 1,950 deposition exhibits in the IBM Litigation.

In all, after a detailed, thorough, and reasonable review of deposition testimony from the IBM Litigation, SCO has produced sixty-six (66) deposition transcripts and the 1,047 associated exhibits. Even though many of the transcripts consist almost entirely of unresponsive testimony, SCO has produced all sixty-six transcripts in un-redacted form and has not withheld or redacted any exhibits corresponding to unresponsive testimony.2Although SCO will undertake an even more detailed review in the next two weeks, the other transcripts do not appear to contain any material that relates to any claim or defense in this case. Novell made its most recent production to SCO on November 18, 2006.

4

ARGUMENT

The Court should deny Novell's Motion, if not withdrawn, because SCO has timely produced the documents that Novell seeks through the Motion.

I. SCO HAS PRODUCED ALL RESPONSIVE MATERIALS.

As of November 22, 2006, SCO has identified and produced all the deposition transcripts from the IBM Litigation containing testimony reasonably related to the claims and defenses in this case. As of the same date, SCO has also produced all the exhibits associated with those transcripts. SCO has never refused to produce such documents and, in the event that SCO has inadvertently overlooked any responsive document, notwithstanding its detailed review to date, SCO will promptly supplement its production. There is nothing for the Court to compel.

Novell argues (at 1) that it anticipates that SCO will not produce all the documents because of the timing of its production. This argument fails for at least two reasons.

First, SCO did not delay in producing the documents. In February 2006, SCO promptly produced over half a million pages of materials, comprising most of the materials it had produced in the IBM Litigation to that point. SCO then started to review and produce deposition transcripts, and by March 30, had produced at least nine transcripts containing the most extensive responsive testimony. These transcripts include, for example, the deposition of Ed Chatlos, who was the lead negotiator for Novell in the 1995 transaction reflected in the APA, and who confirmed in his deposition that Novell sold its entire UNIX business, including the copyrights, to the Santa Cruz Operation. As the Court found in its Order extending the discovery deadline, the parties then delayed discovery during the pendency of Novell's motion to stay. Subsequently, during the meet and confer that preceded this Motion, counsel for SCO assured

5

counsel for Novell that SCO would produce the documents in time for their use in fact depositions that is, well before that end of discovery. Indeed, while SCO has produced all the documents, the parties have not even scheduled any fact depositions.

Second, even if SCO had delayed, there is no connection between the timing and the sufficiency of the production. Novell argues (at 1) that SCO's offer to begin producing the documents on a rolling basis as soon as practicable is "no more than a vague promise to execute on some portion" of SCO's obligations even though the offer included the assurance that the documents would be produced in time for fact depositions. SCO voluntarily agreed to produce the documents, has never backed down from that agreement, and has now produced them. Novell cannot impute any insufficiency to the production due to timing.

II. NOVELL ALSO SEEKS UNREASONABLE AND UNNECESSARY RELIEF.

Novell also contends (at 6-7) that SCO should be compelled to explain "on a transcript by transcript basis" the reasons it has not produced deposition transcripts and exhibits from the IBM Litigation. Novell believes that relief is necessary "given SCO's apparent overly narrow view of what is relevant" and "in order to ensure that SCO does not continue to apply an overly narrow view of `relevant.'" Novell's argument fails for at least the following reasons.

First, SCO has not adopted a narrow view of relevance. On the contrary, SCO has:

  • voluntarily agreed to produce the documents, as Novell underscores in its brief;

  • not objected to IBM's request for documents in the IBM litigation reasonably relating to claims and defenses in this case;

  • never refused to produce the documents or otherwise suggested that it would withhold them;

  • in fact produced the sixty-six (66) responsive transcripts and the associated exhibits after a reasonable review of the deposition testimony from the IBM Litigation; and

6

produced all sixty-six transcripts without redacting unresponsive testimony or withholding or redacting the exhibits corresponding to that testimony, even though many of those transcripts consist almost entirely of unresponsive testimony.

SCO's production, moreover, includes nineteen (19) of the twenty-four (24) transcripts of the deponents Novell identifies (at 4-6) by name.3Other than Novell's unfounded suspicion that the timing of SCO's production somehow reveals its view of relevance, there is no basis whatsoever for Novell's supposition that SCO has adopted a narrow view. In light of SCO's extensive production, and its representation that it has produced all the documents after a reasonable review, the relief Novell seeks is simply unnecessary.4

Second, Novell does not cite any authority for the relief it seeks. Nothing in the Federal Rules requires a litigant who has produced documents without objection, and in addition represents that its production is responsive and complete, to explain why it did not produce each of the documents it withheld. Implicit in those representations is the representation that withheld documents are not responsive.

7

CONCLUSION

SCO respectfully submits, for the foregoing reasons, that if the Motion is not withdrawn, the Court should deny Novell's Expedited Motion to Compel Production of Deposition Transcripts and Exhibits from SCO v. IBM.

DATED this 27th day of November, 2006.

HATCH, JAMES & DODGE, P.C.
Brent O. Hatch
Mark F. James

BOIES, SCHILLER & FLEXNER LLP
Robert Silver
Stuart H. Singer
Stephen N. Zack
Edward Normand

Counsel for The SCO Group, Inc.

By:/s/ Brent O. Hatch


1These exhibits were in addition to the 600 exhibits that IBM submitted with its motions, many of which SCO referenced in its opposition papers.

2SCO has produced the documents expressly without conceding that all of the material produced relates to any claim or defense in this case. See, e.g., Letter from E. Normand to K. Brakebill, dated November 16, 2006; Letter from S. Bach to K. Brakebill, dated November 21, 2006; Letter from E. Normand to K. Brakebill, dated November 22, 2006. (Exs. 4-6.)

3 SCO has not produced the transcripts for a Rule 30(b)(6) deposition of each William Broderick, Jeff Hunsaker, and Chris Sontag, because the transcripts do not contain responsive testimony. For the same reason, SCO also has not produced the transcript of the May 12, 2004, deposition of Michael Olson and the transcript of the deposition of Blake Stowell. On the other hand, with respect to these deponents, SCO has produced the transcripts of three depositions of Mr. Broderick, two depositions of Mr. Hunsaker, two depositions of Mr. Olson, and four depositions of Mr. Sontag.

4 It is Novell that has by its own words adopted a narrow view of relevance in this case. For example, SCO's Document Requests Nos. 23-26 seek documents concerning rights under Section 4.16 of the APA with respect to UNIX license agreements. Though the parties' respective treatment of such agreements would clearly evidence their respective rights under that provision, Novell has objected "to this Request as irrelevant to the extent that it seeks documents not related to the specific UNIX license agreements at issue in the specific claims and defenses in this lawsuit." (Novell's Responses and Objections to SCO's First Set of Requests for Production, dated Feb. 10, 2006, at 14-16 (Ex. 7).) SCO is conferring with Novell on this and several other similar issues.

8

CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE

Plaintiff/Counterclaim Defendant, The SCO Group, Inc., hereby certifies that a true and correct copy of the foregoing SCO's Memorandum in Opposition to Novell's Expedited Motion to Compel Production of Deposition Transcripts and Exhibits from SCO v. IBM was served on Defendant, Novell, Inc., on the 27th day of November, 2006, by CM/ECF to the following:

Thomas R. Karrenberg
John P. Mullen
Heather M. Sneddon
ANDERSON & KARRENBERG
[address]

Michael A. Jacobs
Matthew I. Kreeger
MORRISON & FOERSTER
[address]

/s/ Brent O. Hatch

9


  


SCO's Memo in Opposition to Novell's Expedited Motion to Compel | 228 comments | Create New Account
Comments belong to whoever posts them. Please notify us of inappropriate comments.
SCO's Memo in Opposition to Novell's Expedited Motion to Compel
Authored by: WhiteFang on Tuesday, November 28 2006 @ 12:25 AM EST
If SCOX were a generator spinning as fast as they spin, it would probably
overheat, blow out the attached network grid and meltdown in a shower of
lighting and metal sparks.

It's amazing just how nasty and obstructionist BF&S can be.

---
DRM - Degrading, Repulsive, Meanspirited 'Nuff Said.
"I shouldn't have asked ... "

[ Reply to This | # ]

Off Topic Here, Please
Authored by: TheBlueSkyRanger on Tuesday, November 28 2006 @ 12:27 AM EST
Hey, everybody!

You know the drill about clickies and the like, I'm sure. ;-)

Dobre utka,
The Blue Sky Ranger

[ Reply to This | # ]

Corrections as needed
Authored by: WhiteFang on Tuesday, November 28 2006 @ 12:27 AM EST
:-D

---
DRM - Degrading, Repulsive, Meanspirited 'Nuff Said.
"I shouldn't have asked ... "

[ Reply to This | # ]

"Where's the Trust, Man?"
Authored by: llanitedave on Tuesday, November 28 2006 @ 12:47 AM EST
"Novell's Motion is based on the unfounded and incorrect
suspicion that SCO would not produce certain documents in
discovery."

Now, why should Novell be suspicious? After all, this is
SCO we're talking about...

---
Of course we need to communicate -- that goes without saying!

[ Reply to This | # ]

I once had an attorney tell me,..
Authored by: rsteinmetz70112 on Tuesday, November 28 2006 @ 12:52 AM EST
... he was not obligated to do anything until a judge told him to. Apparently
SCO subscribes to that same dictum.

---
Rsteinmetz - IANAL therefore my opinions are illegal.

"I could be wrong now, but I don't think so."
Randy Newman - The Title Theme from Monk

[ Reply to This | # ]

SCO's Memo in Opposition to Novell's Expedited Motion to Compel
Authored by: belzecue on Tuesday, November 28 2006 @ 01:31 AM EST
"Indeed, SCO has exceeded its obligations by producing the documents in
their entirety, without redacting the vast portions of unresponsive testimony or
withholding or redacting the corresponding exhibits."

Lemons to lemonade: we don't have time to redact so we'll just turn that around
and say we didn't redact as a measure of good faith.

(eye roll)

[ Reply to This | # ]

Another Novell Trap?
Authored by: rsteinmetz70112 on Tuesday, November 28 2006 @ 02:36 AM EST
Does Novell have information (from IBM?) that will allow it to rebut SCO's
response? SCO seems to admit they have not turned over several depositions from
witnesses who had relevant testimony. Why is are the depositions withheld not
relevant?

It's hard for me to believe that IBM would fail to ask a few questions relevant
to Novell's case in every possible deposition. Even if the testimony wasn't
relevant why withhold it?

Even if SCO had turned over everything, I think I'd wait for the Judge to rule
the issue was moot rather that withdraw the motion. The production seems tardy
at best, and the Judge should have the opportunity to comment on that at least.

---
Rsteinmetz - IANAL therefore my opinions are illegal.

"I could be wrong now, but I don't think so."
Randy Newman - The Title Theme from Monk

[ Reply to This | # ]

Yawn.....
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, November 28 2006 @ 02:46 AM EST
I just checked on my dictionary to see if "summary" still meant what
I thought it did. I guess in the US the supply of judges is controlled
like in my country, so that there is always just a little too much work
for them. That way you don't get some bored judge getting irritated
with these proceedings, and coming straight out with:
"Alright people, we've had three years of pussy footin' shadow dancin'
argey bargey, and everybody should now know which way's up. I'm
starting the trial of this case next week. I'll see you gentlemen here,
9am. Tuesday"

---
Orietur Vobis Timentibus Deum Sol Justitiae

[ Reply to This | # ]

define:perjury
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, November 28 2006 @ 06:16 AM EST
"Deliberate lying under oath; a felony offense."

I guess memorandums come with a "crossed fingers" disclaimer.

[ Reply to This | # ]

SCO's word for a blessed thing. You think?
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, November 28 2006 @ 07:08 AM EST
I think the Judge(s) haarbor a few small thoughts around the idea that it's too
bad the rack and thumbscrews are out of style.

;-)

[ Reply to This | # ]

SCO's Memo in Opposition to Novell's Expedited Motion to Compel
Authored by: mhoyes on Tuesday, November 28 2006 @ 08:34 AM EST
The motion from Novell appears to have done its intended job. I have seen many
cases where one party doesn't do anything until you run to the judge with a
motion. Once that is done, all the processes are handled and then they go to
the judge and say "it wasn't us....we did what we were ordered to do."
Since the justice system is predicated on being civil so the assumption is
always to give a benifit of the doubt, I would say that this motion, if not
withdrawn, will be denied as being moot.

The question I have is if SCO will then try to use it as a club to the media to
show how Novell is such a bad company. I can just see them talking about that,
and the MS deal and trying to paint Novell in a more negative light.

Just my thoughts
IANAL
meh

[ Reply to This | # ]

Depositions they haven't produced - erhmm???????
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, November 28 2006 @ 08:35 AM EST
Blake Stowell?

One of Novell's counterclaims is about SCO's public statements that SCO owns the
copyrights (Novell's counterclaim for slander of title).

Why isn't the testimony of main person at SCO who makes public statements, who
is responsible for making public statements, and made some public statements on
this particular issue himself, not relevant???


Quatermass
IANAL IMHO etc.

[ Reply to This | # ]

SCO's Memo in Opposition to Novell's Expedited Motion to Compel
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, November 28 2006 @ 10:50 AM EST
<I>
...and there are no more virgins involved
</I>

Maybe SCO is hoping that their suicide legal bombing will win them 72 in
paradise....

[ Reply to This | # ]

Can Microsoft/SCO be compelled in some legal way to clear the FUD?
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, November 28 2006 @ 12:06 PM EST
I am as interested as most in having Microsoft/SCO/etc. stop their FUD campaign
and simply "put up or shut up". Is there any legal precedent to the
idea of using some sort of "motion to compel" to get Microsoft and/or
SCO to simply provide all evidence of any patent disputes against free software
so they can all be put to bed at once? This sort of "dribbling" of
assertions is harmful and is in some sense illegal, isn't it? Can't we set some
sort of time limit, whether per software package or for groups of packages, that
says "you cannot enforce any patents against this freely reviewable
software after date XXX, so you are compelled to provide evidence of
infringement by (earlier) date YYY so remedies can be implemented and reviewed
by date XXX or you forever surrender your right to do so"?

Paul W, Denver CO

[ Reply to This | # ]

SCO's Memo in Opposition to Novell's Expedited Motion to Compel
Authored by: thombone on Tuesday, November 28 2006 @ 01:56 PM EST
If anything, SCO has proven that lying to courts can be done without fear of
penalty, in America.

I certainly cannot call this justice. I call it a meal ticket for the world's
bottom feeders (better known as lawyers).

[ Reply to This | # ]

Something odd
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, November 28 2006 @ 06:11 PM EST
I tried to post this on the article about the Novell Motion to Compel, but it brought me back to the main page. Also, apologies in advance if this has been mentioned before and I missed the post.

There seems to be a discontinuity between the 1st Set of Requests for Production (as exhibit D to their motion to compel) and the second set (as exhibit H to same). The first set numbers from 1-5 and the second set goes from 18-45. What happened to requests 6-17?

Should exhibit D be a revised version of the initial set of requests?

[ Reply to This | # ]

  • Something odd - Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, November 29 2006 @ 03:01 PM EST
Contradiction (surprise, surprise)
Authored by: darkonc on Tuesday, November 28 2006 @ 06:43 PM EST
What I notice is that they claim that they're providing Novell with irrelevent materials ... "many of those transcripts consist almost entirely of unresponsive testimony." -- thus dumping irrelevant material on Novell (without even, I'm sure, bothering to tell them what material they know is non-responsive ).
This allows SCO to snow Novell with lots of useless material to eat their time.

On the other hand, they're not providing SCO with what they claim are non-responsive articles -- and, once again, not describing why they think they're non-responsive. This is despite the fact that they claim to have done a detailed examination of the documents -- which should have resulted in equally detailed documention of why each document is, or isn't responsive, and what parts are responsive.

Most damning, in my mind, although they claim that "Implicit in those representations is the representation that withheld documents are not responsive.", they provide themselves with a backdoor if they're caught holding responsive documents by claiming that they're going to look again for responsive documents that they can provide at the last minute.

If they're going to provide documents that are "almost entirely unresponsive" without bothering to explain what parts are unresponsive, then why are they not just as happy to provide the rest of the supposedly unresponsive documents -- and given that they have insisted on providing Novell with what they describe as mostly useless documents, I think that it's only fair that they povide them with the documentation (that they've undoubtedly created) describing why various (parts of) documents are irrelevent.

.... and, given their history, I think that they need to get explicit about their 'implicit' claim that they've provided all responsive documents, and remove the back door of saying that the responsive documents that they've held back were only held back accidently.

---
Powerful, committed communication. Touching the jewel within each person and bringing it to life..

[ Reply to This | # ]

What Am I Drinking? Iced Tea. Why?
Authored by: TheBlueSkyRanger on Tuesday, November 28 2006 @ 09:05 PM EST
Hey, everybody!

So I'm sitting here reading all the pundits talk about how Novell is violating
the GPL (or may be violating, but there doesn't seem to be anyone outside the
two parties saying there's no way they did) while listening to a little Sex
Pistols, and a thought strikes me. I want to discredit this as being
oversimplistic or completely unlikely, but I have little background with the law
or the realm of possibility here. So let me turn and ask, what do you, the
viewers at home, think?

If the deal gets shredded by the FSF lawyers, does Novell have to give M$' cash
back? If not, the thought occurs to me that this could be a scam. Novell gets
the money, knowing the deal won't survive, and laughs all the way to the bank.

I can't imagine any company not putting something in the contract to protect
themselves. M$ is predator, not prey, so I can't see them falling for it. But
I just can't shake the idea.

Target up...open fire!

Dobre utka,
The Blue Sky Ranger

"Aha! You fool! I have caught you in a logical conundrum and now must
mock you for your idiocy!"
--Rat
"Pearls Before Swine"

[ Reply to This | # ]

    The Honorable Judge Wells! Hear, hear!
    Authored by: mexaly on Tuesday, November 28 2006 @ 10:26 PM EST
    To me, this is the headline.

    The motion is more of the same.

    With Judge Kimball and Judge Wells now working both cases, dirty tricks passed
    off as "oops, mistake" won't be tolerated on the repeat.

    I wonder if the scoundrels are going to try it anyway?

    [grin]

    ---
    My thanks go out to PJ and the legal experts that make Groklaw great.

    [ Reply to This | # ]

    Groklaw © Copyright 2003-2013 Pamela Jones.
    All trademarks and copyrights on this page are owned by their respective owners.
    Comments are owned by the individual posters.

    PJ's articles are licensed under a Creative Commons License. ( Details )