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Webmaster 2.0 Released
Thursday, October 20 2005 @ 09:23 AM EDT 2.0 is available now. If you tried OOo in the past and felt it wasn't ready, I encourage you to try this release. Here's the announcement from 2.0 Is Here 2.0 is the productivity suite that individuals, governments, and corporations around the world have been expecting for the last two years. Easy to use and fluidly interoperable with every major office suite, 2.0 realises the potential of open source.

With new features, advanced XML capabilities and native support for the OASIS Standard OpenDocument format, 2.0 gives users around the globe the tools to be engaged and productive members of their society.

Download it now. If it is not ready today in your language, it will be shortly. 2.0 is yours.

I'll let Sun's Simon Phipps tell you why this release matters:

I've spoken with a wide range of local and national government officials recently, and they have almost all told me that a formal release of is very important to them as they can't deploy beta or 'release candidate' software in their organisation. I'm therefore delighted to see that 2.0 has just been released by the community. Huge congratulations to the many, many people involved in the huge task of creating a commercial-quality open source software release. It makes OpenDocument format a viable alternative for millions of people worldwide. The downloads are going to be very popular so I suggest getting the BitTorrent versions and then leaving your BitTorrent client running to help share the load. The more of us do that, the more people will have 2.0 sooner.

The Press Information page tells us a bit more: 2.0: A Choice for A Real Change 2.0 is the first open source office suite to offer thorough support for the Open Document Format for Office Applications (OpenDocument) OASIS Standard. OpenDocument is an XML file format that was developed by OASIS, the international body for the development and ratification of e-Business standards. The OpenDocument format can be used by any office application without fear of vendor specific lock-in or onerous licensing terms and fees, with the confidence that documents can be viewed, edited and printed for generations to come.

The suite now also offers a database module, Base, to complement the word processor (Writer), spreadsheet manager (Calc), presentation manager (Impress) and drawing tool (Draw) modules. These give all users the tools they need to be productive in the modern world. Free for all, offers everyone the enduring freedoms to use, study, improve and share the software. Users can download it for free from the Project's Web page at

With a new user interface, 2.0 is easy to learn and use by the most inexperienced user, and is significantly more compatible with Microsoft Office files than prior versions. Supported by dozens of professional companies, 2.0 will be available in more than 60 languages. Able to run on Microsoft Windows, GNU/Linux, Sun Solaris and other platforms, is increasingly the choice of businesses and governments throughout the world, and earlier versions have been downloaded over 49 million times since the project's inception.

Some new features include a new interface "designed to assist in the transition from proprietary office suites, digital signing of documents, word count functionality improvements, import support for Corel WordPerfect, Calc support for up to 65,536 rows of data, integration of XForms inside, enhanced PDF support, and the debut of Base, a database module capable of creating self-contained, portable and cross-platform compatibility and functionality between Microsoft Windows, GNU/Linux, Mac OS X, and Sun Solaris users.

IBM's Bob Sutor has a few suggestions, by the way, for those who want to ask Microsoft to support ODF. Here's one of several suggestions that is easy to do: "Ask your CIO (chief information officer) when you will be able to use office applications that support the OASIS OpenDocument standard." The OpenDocument Fellowship has a petition anyone can sign, if they wish to ask Microsoft to support OpenDocument Format. Microsoft has said that they might consider doing so, if enough customer demand becomes apparent. So if you are a customer who wants ODF support, it's a good time to become apparent. 2.0 Released | 196 comments | Create New Account
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Corrections Here Please
Authored by: kcorkins on Thursday, October 20 2005 @ 10:01 AM EDT
So PJ can find them.

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is
a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."

Benjamin Franklin.

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Off Topic Here
Authored by: kcorkins on Thursday, October 20 2005 @ 10:03 AM EDT
Please make links clickable. <a href="url">text</a>
Change the Post Mode to "HTML Formatted".

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is
a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."

Benjamin Franklin.

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"it's a good time to become apparent"
Authored by: raynfala on Thursday, October 20 2005 @ 10:14 AM EDT
Way ahead of you. In fact, I've got two kids already.

*ba-da-bum* :^)


(sorry, had to be the one to say it...)

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Groklaw is first with the story ...
Authored by: Felix_the_Mac on Thursday, October 20 2005 @ 10:21 AM EDT

none of my 50 other RSS feeds have broken this news yet :-)

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Does this address the Legal/WP community?
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, October 20 2005 @ 10:32 AM EDT
A while back PJ published info that Word Perfect is still the editor of choice
for the legal community due to better support for its specialized needs. Does OO
2.0 address those needs?

[ Reply to This | # ] 2.0 Released
Authored by: a_t on Thursday, October 20 2005 @ 10:47 AM EDT
I'd love to install it - I've downloaded the .tar.gz both at home and at work
(OK, at the home download is only at 89%...).

But it seems to me there are no install instructions beyond "unpack the

What happened to the nice installer previous versions of Openoffice had? I don't
remember difficulties installing 1.2 or 1.4 on my machines (all slackware in
case you were wondering).

Please please please can someone tell me if it is possible to install OOo 2.0 on
slack 10.0?

[ Reply to This | # ] 2.0 Released
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, October 20 2005 @ 10:47 AM EDT
my bit comet is running right now !

[ Reply to This | # ] 2.0 Released
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, October 20 2005 @ 10:54 AM EDT
woo woo!!

congrats to the openoffice developers.

thanks for giving us a quality enterprise ready office suite and also a choice.

[ Reply to This | # ] 2.0 Released - but not for Mac :-(
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, October 20 2005 @ 11:04 AM EDT
No 2.0 there for Macs, and unlikely NeoOffice/J will move to a 2.0 codebase for
a while.

Cheers, Liam

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And it's portable too!
Authored by: oneandoneis2 on Thursday, October 20 2005 @ 11:21 AM EDT
In my office, we're not allowed to install software onto our PCs. However, OOo
can run 100% off a USB drive, and then you can take it anywhere, along with your
OpenDocuments :o)

[ Reply to This | # ] 2.0 Released
Authored by: tomg_66 on Thursday, October 20 2005 @ 11:29 AM EDT
The problem is that signing a petition as a customer of MicroSoft asking for an
upgrade would be a lie. I am not now and do not plan on being a MicroSoft
customer in the future.

Tom Green

no not -that- Tom Green

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Unimpressed with speed
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, October 20 2005 @ 11:31 AM EDT

For whatever reason, OO still lags badly behind ms-office when it comes to start
up speed.

I have read that this is because msft has ms-office integrated into their OS.
This may be, but for whatever reason OO is S-L-O-W.

[ Reply to This | # ] 2.0 Released
Authored by: Sky Pilot on Thursday, October 20 2005 @ 12:04 PM EDT
I'm on the board of a non-profit that runs a public access computer lab. I'd
like to dump Microsoft software completely, but there is considerable resistance
to that from staff. One of their arguements is that users can't run their excel
or word macros on OpenOffice (I don't know if that's true or not).

What do you say to people like that? Are there any resources out there to help
me persuade them? Any ideas are much appreciated.

[ Reply to This | # ] 2.0 Released
Authored by: John Hasler on Thursday, October 20 2005 @ 12:40 PM EDT
Does it require Sun's non-Free JRE?

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Mac OS X ??!?!
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, October 20 2005 @ 01:07 PM EDT
OK i keep reading about Mac OSX and OpenOffice, they even blamed the Mac
port on part of the delay.

Try to download it today, i dare you !!

It isn't anywhere to be found.

[ Reply to This | # ] 2.0 works very well
Authored by: dclayton on Thursday, October 20 2005 @ 01:10 PM EDT
Based on many months of OOo2.0 beta and release candidate use with both
OpenDocument and PDF I can tell you that OOo2.0 works very well. All the modules
I have used except the database, Base, have been very stable with great
functionality for months. Base used to crash on me regularly but since the
release candidates came out it has worked well for me. That was one thing I
wanted very much in OOo 2.0. Export to PDF is much better for me than in version
1.x. I still want to have PDF edit capability but that will not be available
right away. I don't often do presentations anymore so I did not test Impress. I
have not tested Draw very much either. What I use OOo for most of the time is to
take gem designs from a CAD application, edit the cutting instructions to make
them more readable by humans, reformat the drawings, save as ODT OpenDocument
file and export as PDF. I can save a drawing directly from my GemCAD program to
PDF with the print to PDF capability under KDE on my linux system but the output
from OOo 2 looks much better since cutting instructions are an afterthought in
CAD programs. I think if you give OOo 2.0 a fair trial you will be more than
satisfied. A big part of my life is tied up in my designs and I only feel safe
if I own my data. If you are using MSWindows you can still keep your files in
OpenDocument format so you own your data. I would suggest that you store files
on CD or external disk regularly and keep offsite backups if you value your
data. Happy Day. I know many companies and goverment organizations can not use
beta or release candidate applications. This will open the gates for widespread
implementation of OpenDocument. Don't forget that Koffice supports ODF now and
several other office suites either support ODF or will very soon.

Dan C

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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, October 20 2005 @ 01:21 PM EDT
Only a side issue, but wasn't KOffice first with the odf formats?

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I almost - ALMOST - feel sorry for Microsoft
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, October 20 2005 @ 01:53 PM EDT
I can see how they must be frustrated by people just *giving away* a replacement
for one of their major cash cows.

I should stress a gain that I *almost* feel sorry for them, much as I'd have
felt sorry for the last shivering dinosaur as the strange little furry creatures
sauntered gaily past, leaving their tracks in the snow.

[ Reply to This | # ] 2.0 Released
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, October 20 2005 @ 01:56 PM EDT
Looks like it's time to move to KWord or Abi-Word, since this release is in RPM
format. Not everyone needs this cippled format.

Oh well, so much for cross-platform

[ Reply to This | # ] 2.0 Released, Downloaded & Installed
Authored by: WhiteFang on Thursday, October 20 2005 @ 01:57 PM EDT
On my 'Doze machine at work.

Hopefully, the Gentoo ebuilds will be ready tonight when I get home.


emerge addict since Gentoo version 1.2, 2002.
warning: value of "Trust Microsoft" always fails.

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I think MS is up to something
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, October 20 2005 @ 02:10 PM EDT
It is not their normal modus operandi to not commit themselfes to any new
technology, standard or whatever, just to get out their own version of things
and "embrace and extend" them. Either they were really cought off
balance or they have a devious master plan to corrupt the ODF standard.

Maybe having their customers *demand* they include ODF is phase one of that
plan. Phase two could be a clean implementation, phase treee would come as a
servicepack and make the implementation unclean. The user would have all his
interoperability tests done during phase 2 and would not notice for quite a
while that his ODF docs can only be read by Office. Phase four would be
retraction of the format from MS-Office and a tool to convert the mangled docs
to MS formats.

Evil, isn't it? But of cause only a speculation...


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  • Who cares? - Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, October 20 2005 @ 04:31 PM EDT
  • "not normal M.O." - Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, October 20 2005 @ 07:02 PM EDT
SuSE and AMD64?
Authored by: tiger99 on Thursday, October 20 2005 @ 02:47 PM EDT
Good news, done one Windoze download at work, and a Windoze install at home is just finishing. Next will be the SuSE laptop, and then the mega-machine, twin core AMD64......

SuSE don't yet seem to have it on their update servers. Anyone know if I can use the standard X86 RPM, or if I need to wait for a 64-bit port?

I have a SPARC and FreeBSD still to do, and a heap of Linux boxes, all 32 bit which one package should cover, so it "may" wait till the weekend. Still, it is a new toy, and I am impatient......


By the way, the UK Mirror Service servers are performing admirably under what I suspect is a considerable strain. Or maybe word has not reached very many people yet?

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OOo_2.0.0_Win32Intel_install.exe detached checksum or signature
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, October 20 2005 @ 04:18 PM EDT
Anybody know of an official checksum or detached signature anywhere?
Alternatively, could someone who has ordinary IP connectivity (no odd proxies or
other traffic shapers, sigh) please submit an unofficial one as a reply to this
message? I'm just curious to know whether the binary download I've ended up
with is what the OOo server wanted to send to me.

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Authored by: Observer on Thursday, October 20 2005 @ 04:19 PM EDT
I downloaded the Linux version right away, straight off one of the mirrored servers and got it pretty fast. Of course, it's more than 100Meg! Even though I already have the file downloaded, I fired up a BitTorrent server, just to make it a little quicker for everyone else. (Not that my paltry cable modem uploading at 8KB/s makes a huge difference in the bigger scheme of things... :-/)

The Observer

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  • Torrent - Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, October 21 2005 @ 09:00 AM EDT
  • Torrent - Authored by: John Hasler on Friday, October 21 2005 @ 03:29 PM EDT
Getting pictures out of word documents
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, October 20 2005 @ 04:26 PM EDT
There may be a way of doing this with Word ( cut and paste results in all sorts
of data corruption).

1) Load file into Open office.
2) Save in native format.
3) Unzip the file.

The pictures are all in a sub directory.

Happy user.

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I'm confused about ODF and XML
Authored by: MjBarne on Thursday, October 20 2005 @ 04:56 PM EDT
I thought that XML is stored as straight text. I've just downloaded OOo 2.0 and
saved a Writer document as ODT. I can find some XML type stuff in there, but
most of it is binary looking gibberish.

Can anyone enlighten me on this?

[ Reply to This | # ] 2.0 Released
Authored by: The Mad Hatter r on Thursday, October 20 2005 @ 09:52 PM EDT

Started with Star Office 5.2 (still backed up on CD somewhere), Nice program,
though at the time a bit Kludgey. Been using Open Office/Star Office ever since
for myself.

Nice programs, do everything I want, at a price I can afford, and they don't
call home to mother. I can still remember the bosses face when we installed Zone
Alarm on his laptop and he found out that Office was trying to contact Microsoft
all the time...



[ Reply to This | # ] 2.0 Released
Authored by: iraskygazer on Friday, October 21 2005 @ 03:47 AM EDT
I've been using OpenOffice since its infancy when you could get it off the web
as OO.637 or something like that. I've watched the application capabilities grow
with its use. Many people from around the world have added to the capabilities
and now OO 2.0 makes Open Office more attractive.

Of course there are small issues to deal with. Like startup of the initial
application. But once the app is in memory new documents are loaded quickly. I'd
guess this is due to the java virtual machine but that is pure speculation.

If developers and users around the world continue to provide input to the OO
maintainers, the Open Office suite will be able to continue its growth and
provide far more complex capabilities. It just depends on all of us contributing
whenever possible :-)

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Whoopie, negative times!
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, October 21 2005 @ 10:16 AM EDT
At long last!

[ Reply to This | # ] 2.0 Released
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, October 21 2005 @ 11:45 AM EDT
What about the Java-dependency issue?

[ Reply to This | # ] 2.0 Released
Authored by: Remo on Saturday, October 22 2005 @ 06:38 PM EDT
Maybe I missed a article in Groklaw and this is "old" news but take a
look at Xara. A nice product goes open source!
Could be integrated in OO suite in the future.

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