decoration decoration
Stories

GROKLAW
When you want to know more...
decoration
For layout only
Home
Archives
Site Map
Search
About Groklaw
Awards
Legal Research
Timelines
ApplevSamsung
ApplevSamsung p.2
ArchiveExplorer
Autozone
Bilski
Cases
Cast: Lawyers
Comes v. MS
Contracts/Documents
Courts
DRM
Gordon v MS
GPL
Grokdoc
HTML How To
IPI v RH
IV v. Google
Legal Docs
Lodsys
MS Litigations
MSvB&N
News Picks
Novell v. MS
Novell-MS Deal
ODF/OOXML
OOXML Appeals
OraclevGoogle
Patents
ProjectMonterey
Psystar
Quote Database
Red Hat v SCO
Salus Book
SCEA v Hotz
SCO Appeals
SCO Bankruptcy
SCO Financials
SCO Overview
SCO v IBM
SCO v Novell
SCO:Soup2Nuts
SCOsource
Sean Daly
Software Patents
Switch to Linux
Transcripts
Unix Books
Your contributions keep Groklaw going.
To donate to Groklaw 2.0:

Groklaw Gear

Click here to send an email to the editor of this weblog.


Contact PJ

Click here to email PJ. You won't find me on Facebook Donate Paypal


User Functions

Username:

Password:

Don't have an account yet? Sign up as a New User

No Legal Advice

The information on Groklaw is not intended to constitute legal advice. While Mark is a lawyer and he has asked other lawyers and law students to contribute articles, all of these articles are offered to help educate, not to provide specific legal advice. They are not your lawyers.

Here's Groklaw's comments policy.


What's New

STORIES
No new stories

COMMENTS last 48 hrs
No new comments


Sponsors

Hosting:
hosted by ibiblio

On servers donated to ibiblio by AMD.

Webmaster
LiveLAMP Available: $10,000 Server Software Solution Free
Sunday, July 03 2005 @ 03:15 PM EDT

Any schools wanting to train students to test and deploy Linux servers but who think they can't, because no one on the staff knows how to do Linux, this is for you. Look at this LiveLAMP project, which offers you a bootable CD solution that will set it up for you, and everything runs from the CD:

Open Source Victoria (OSV), an industry cluster of more than 60 open source and free software providers, has responded to a group of IT teachers who want a simple way to test and deploy Linux servers in schools with a free server software CD.

OSV has developed a free product called LiveLAMP, which is a bootable CD that turns a spare computer into a Linux development server for students to practice and publish programming exercises in over a dozen languages with hundreds of development tools. . . .

According to OSV, LiveLAMP can turn any PC into an instant server capable of supporting up to 1,000 students doing work on over a dozen programming languages and hundreds of development tools. Technologies covered include PHP, Python, Perl, MySQL, Ruby, PostgreSQL, C++, C, Pascal, Fortran, CVS, Apache, Lex/Yacc, text editing, HTML, JavaScript, CSS, XML and many more. LiveLAMP will fully integrate with their existing Windows, Apple or Linux systems. OSV estimates that purchasing proprietary versions of this software for 1000 students and teachers would cost each school over $10,000 if they had to pay for it.

This is a Con Zymaris baby, and you can read his first announcement about the project dated May 10 here. The concept from the email:

(Secondary) school teachers want to deploy Linux in labs, but their IT staff Don't Do Linux.

Teacher gets CD and a spare box. Boot from CD, wipe hard disk and install data (/home, /etc, /var) to disk (programs run from CD). That box serves LAMP to the other machines in the lab.

The first release of LiveLamp is this month. From May 10 to July, start to finish. I love projects like this, that make GNU/Linux simple. It isn't just schools that can benefit. You can too.

Here's the complete press release:

******************************

$10,000 server software solution free: OSV makes offer to every Australian school

Open Source Victoria (OSV) responds to a group of IT teachers who want a simple way to test and deploy Linux servers in schools. LiveLAMP is a bootable CD that turns a spare computer into a Linux development server for students to practice and publish programming exercises in over a dozen languages with hundreds of development tools.

"IT administrators within the education sector can have difficulties adopting emerging platforms such as Linux," said OSV education spokesperson Donna Benjamin. "Time poor, they struggle just to keep up with the needs of a school IT network. Justifying the time to setup and maintain a professional development server on which student programmers experiment can be difficult. This is why we are developing the LiveLAMP instant Linux server solution."

With the LiveLAMP project, OSV aims to do for Linux application and database servers what Knoppix has done for desktops. LiveLAMP can turn any PC into an instant server capable of supporting up to 1,000 students doing work on over a dozen programming languages and hundreds of development tools. Technologies covered include PHP, Python, Perl, MySQL, Ruby, PostgreSQL, C++, C, Pascal, Fortran, CVS, Apache, Lex/Yacc, text editing, HTML, JavaScript, CSS, XML and many more. LiveLAMP will fully integrate with their existing Windows, Apple or Linux systems. OSV estimates that purchasing proprietary versions of this software for 1000 students and teachers would cost each school over $10,000 if they had to pay for it.

"Secondary school teachers who want to deploy Linux in their IT labs often find that their IT staff "Don't Do Linux". With the LiveLAMP CD, we've made the process absolutely painless. With the CD in hand a teacher just needs to find a surplus PC. To run the LiveLAMP server, simply insert the CD-ROM into the PC and press reset. A minute later, the LiveLAMP system has created 1,000 student accounts on that PC and is now running as a server. All the programs run from the CD. Students can log in and start using the programming tools. That surplus PC then becomes a Live Linux server for the other machines in the lab," continued Benjamin.

Con Zymaris from OSV leads the LiveLAMP development effort. He has over 20 years experience in working with open source technologies.

Zymaris is enthusiastic about this project. He notes that one of the few remaining hurdles that Linux and open source technologies face in the marketplace is a lack of user familiarity. "With the LiveLAMP project, we hope to make it a trivial step for any school anywhere to trial a Linux server which comes with most of the major programming languages and tools used by industry. We are therefore simultaneously introducing new users to Linux as well as introducing exciting and powerful computer technologies to school kids. Both will help grow Australia's ICT skills-base while improving kids' education."

OSV is funding the development of the LiveLAMP CD and will facilitate its distribution as a downloadable ISO image and through peer-to-peer file sharing networks. Giving more students the opportunity to develop their computing skills by accessing open source industry tools is an investment in tomorrow's ICT community. Releasing LiveLAMP under an Open Source Licence means that anyone, not just schools, can harness the opportunities it presents.

Open Source Victoria would like to thank the Victorian Government for the funding which makes projects like LiveLAMP possible. The LiveLAMP project is scheduled to deliver its first release candidate in July 2005.

- - -

About Open Source Victoria

Open Source Victoria is an Industry Cluster consisting of over 60 Victorian firms and developers which provide services and technology related to Free and Open Source Software (FOSS.) Open Source Victoria offers marketing, advocacy and information referral services, and aims to raise the profile of FOSS in Victoria and work with other similar organisations across Australia.

http://www.osv.org.au/

Contact: Con Zymaris
[phone, fax, email]


  


LiveLAMP Available: $10,000 Server Software Solution Free | 38 comments | Create New Account
Comments belong to whoever posts them. Please notify us of inappropriate comments.
LiveLAMP Available: $10,000 Server Software Solution Free
Authored by: TerryC on Sunday, July 03 2005 @ 03:27 PM EDT
This is one of those 'wow' moments; like Knoppix.

---
Terry

[ Reply to This | # ]

    LAMP is free if you already have Mac OS X.
    Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, July 03 2005 @ 03:47 PM EDT
    It's actually called XAMP - where L = Linux is replaced by X = Mac OS X.

    The advantage of Mac OS X 10.4.x is that you get WebObjects for free
    (formerly cost $50,000) and you can use nearly anything that you can use on
    Linux and Unix. Mac OS X also comes with a complete set of development/
    programming tools.

    Of course, if you want to go completely open source, you can use the
    underlying Unix layer of Mac OS X, called Darwin.

    Then your platform can be called "DAMP", D = Darwin.

    So if your school has Macs, XAMP is free for the taking.

    Here's a reference: http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp-macosx.html

    [ Reply to This | # ]

    LiveLAMP Available: $10,000 Server Software Solution Free
    Authored by: vruz on Sunday, July 03 2005 @ 04:19 PM EDT
    To avoid confusions, I suggest changing the title of this article from:

    "LiveLAMP Available: $10,000 Server Software Solution Free"
    to something more like:
    "LiveLAMP: $ 10,000 Worth Server Sofwtare at no cost"

    You know, the usual problem explaining what the hell "free" means.
    I seriously wish the FSF hadn't stuck to that, but I guess it's too late now.

    Actually, I think that expressing this in this monetary terms in this case is
    really an understatement.

    In a school with 100 CS students, this title would easily be replaced by:
    "LiveLAMP helps school to save $ 1 Million yearly in Server Software for
    their students"


    ---
    --- the vruz

    [ Reply to This | # ]

    OT here
    Authored by: jbb on Sunday, July 03 2005 @ 05:29 PM EDT
    You know the drill -- clickable links, HTML mode.

    ---
    Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make
    you commit injustices.

    [ Reply to This | # ]

    Download?
    Authored by: micheal on Sunday, July 03 2005 @ 05:47 PM EDT
    Does anyone have a link to download LiveLamp? I couldn't find one on their site.

    ---
    LeRoy

    If I have anything to give, made of this life I live, it is this song, which I
    have made. Now in your keeping it is laid.
    Anon

    [ Reply to This | # ]

    • Download? - Authored by: LocoYokel on Sunday, July 03 2005 @ 08:40 PM EDT
      • Download? - Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, July 03 2005 @ 08:47 PM EDT
        • Download? - Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, July 03 2005 @ 08:50 PM EDT
        • Con Zymaris - Authored by: ine on Sunday, July 03 2005 @ 09:46 PM EDT
      • Download? - Authored by: Steve Martin on Monday, July 04 2005 @ 08:45 AM EDT
    Corrections Here:
    Authored by: SilverWave on Sunday, July 03 2005 @ 05:52 PM EDT
    Corrections Here if any :)

    ---
    "They [each] put in one hour of work,
    but because they share the end results
    they get nine hours... for free"

    Firstmonday 98 interview with Linus Torvalds

    [ Reply to This | # ]

    LiveLAMP Available: $10,000 Server Software Solution Free
    Authored by: bsm2003 on Sunday, July 03 2005 @ 07:54 PM EDT
    This is the correct title. You left some out and that is misleading.

    Press Releases ::

    $10,000 server software solution
    free: OSV makes offer to every Australian school

    [ Reply to This | # ]

    LiveLAMP Available: $10,000 Server Software Solution Free
    Authored by: Bill The Cat on Sunday, July 03 2005 @ 11:36 PM EDT
    A bit misleading in the topic, where (Austalia!) and the fact that it runs
    entirely on CD.

    MySQL database and it's data, Logs scripts and HTML for the Apache server, etc.
    must be on a writeable media and a RAM disc is volatile so isn't a good
    long-term option. Maybe Linux runs on the CD but most of the other elements
    (Apache, MySQL, PHP) need to be on a media where they can be created, modified
    and deleted.



    ---
    Bill Catz

    [ Reply to This | # ]

    LiveLAMP Available: $10,000 Server Software Solution Free
    Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, July 04 2005 @ 01:09 PM EDT
    I really don't get LAMP.

    I mean.

    Linux is - well, okayish, but if you want to do real stable secure serving
    you're
    better served (yes, I know, bad pun) with a BSD. Linux is stable most of the
    time, but with the curent 'stable' kernel being crashtastic 2 releases out of 3,

    what hope is there of having a secure server that's also guaranteed to be up?
    2.0 and most of 2.2 were good serving platforms, but 2.4 onwards have been
    dire from my point of view.
    Apache is a good webserver. I'll give you that. It's not the snappiest of
    beasts, and is being fast overtaken in terms of feature set by lighttpd etc, but

    it works.
    MySQL simply sucks in comparison to other sql solutions, and has some very
    nasty licensing gotchas.
    And PHP is a web programming language that doesn't understand data
    tainting, for <deity>'s sake. Let me say that again. PHP does not provide
    one
    of the most basic of web development paradigms.

    I just don't get why it's so hyped.

    Apart from Apache, it's not best of breed, and even apache is looking a bit
    long in the tooth these days. All in all the package is (just barely) good
    enough. Something that we've all had more than enough of from the beast of
    Redmond, no?

    For my money (and yes, I do put it where my mouth is, this is how I make my
    living)

    FreeBSD or OpenBSD for platform. Or potentially Solaris, which is 100% stable
    on Sun's machines, can't vouch for the ix86 stuff.
    Apache or lighttpd.
    Postgresql
    Ruby on Rails or one of the mutitudinous Java setups (Hibernate and
    Tapestry, for example) if you can live with enormous amounts of XML

    Of course, none of these fall under the beloved GPL, so...

    Simon

    And what I really don't get is how this is news fit for Groklaw.

    [ Reply to This | # ]

    LiveLAMP Available
    Authored by: yorkshireman on Monday, July 04 2005 @ 03:05 PM EDT
    I am sure LiveLAMP will be good when it is available for download, but LAMPPIX a Live CD LAMP system based on KNOPPIX / Damn Small LINUX is already available in 2 different flavours! a combined desktop and server or pure server (mini!).

    [ Reply to This | # ]

    Security Updates?
    Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, July 06 2005 @ 06:37 PM EDT
    By doing this, OSV have effectively put themselves in the role of a Linux
    distro--albeit a very small one compared to more general-purpose ones like Red
    Hat and Debian. But, by distributing this stuff, it opens up the question of
    security updates (and other bugfixes too, I suppose). My experience with
    Knoppix is that live CDs aren't good at security updates.

    For example, AIUI, the version of Mozilla that shipped with Knoppix 3.8.1 has at
    least one security hole. I'm sure a lot of people who use Knoppix are the less
    technically savvy type who wouldn't necessarily think about security updates
    unless they were hand-held through the process. Given the kinds of places that
    live CDs like that wind up (I've given copies of it to technically-challenged
    colleagues, for example), offering live CDs like that might be hurting the cause
    in the end more than it's helping.

    I just looked and noticed an update to Knoppix 3.8.2, but the only noted
    security fixes were to OpenOffice.org. Perhaps that was a goof on the builders'
    part, either not to upgrade it or not to note it in the changelog...

    ...but then that leads to the other problem that distributing live CDs as .iso
    files means redownloading a lot of unchanged software. My DSL is nice, but I
    still don't want to be downloading half a gigabyte willy-nilly. The only
    exceptions I'm aware of to CDs being served as ISOs is Debian (which offers
    jigdo to write ISOs from package files) and Gentoo (which has some scripts to
    burn the live CDs they use for installs).

    That said, if OSV are willing to step up to the plate[*] on critical updates,
    I'm all for anything that removes unnecessary obstacles to using good software.

    [*] Baseball metaphor... I don't know what Australians would prefer. Cricket?
    Socc^WFootball?

    [ Reply to This | # ]

    Groklaw © Copyright 2003-2013 Pamela Jones.
    All trademarks and copyrights on this page are owned by their respective owners.
    Comments are owned by the individual posters.

    PJ's articles are licensed under a Creative Commons License. ( Details )