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Saturday, December 18 2004 @ 06:13 AM EST
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Sun has made some changes to its proposed license, the CDDL, based in part, they say, on the article we did on the draft of the license and after reading your comments and suggestions there. I thought you'd like to know. You might like to take a look at the new version. Here's what Sun's representative wrote when submitting the revision to license-discuss at opensource.org, in part:
Based on some valuable feedback from license-discuss (particular thanks
to John
Cowan, Rod Dixon and Chuck Swiger) and based on feedback from some open
source
developers, and the the Groklaw discussion, including both Pamela Jones'
original posting and the community discussion, we respectfully submit an
update
to CDDL for OSI review and approval.
You can find the updated CDDL, redline against MPL1.1, redline against
the
previous version of CDDL, updated "why" document, and the previous
version of
CDDL at:
http://www.sun.com/cddl/ So, it's probably a good idea to take a look and see how the new version strikes you. You'll see that the major changes are in the paragraph we found most problematic, 6.2. I haven't yet had time to evaluate the changes myself, so we can do it together. Fair is fair, and Sun is to be commended in this instance for wanting to get it right and for listening to suggestions from the community.
A Map to Groklaw
I want to thank tangomike for noticing that Groklaw needed a map so new visitors can find their way around. So he just designed one and sent it to me, and it's lovely. So if you wonder where something is, just click on the new link "Where Is . . .?" and you'll find the map.
If you are looking for words describing the features and what you'll find here on Groklaw, check out the Mission Statement. I have just added a link on that page to the Wikipedia article about me, because it has some info on why I've tried from the beginning to maintain my privacy: Jones reveals very little personal information, as she considers her private information is not relevant because the point of Groklaw is that no one person is as smart as an entire group. For that reason, she originally had no personal information available on Groklaw, not even her name, going by the handle PJ.
"I originally wanted to stay anonymous, in a sense, by just saying PJ. Eventually media attention and other factors made it impossible to remain just PJ but I would have if I could have. I have no desire to be famous, for one thing. And I have been creatively influenced by Scott McCloud's work. He points out in Understanding Comics (p. 45-51) in a section on iconic representation that people respond most strongly to a drawing of a character that simplifies to the point that anyone can identify with the character. I guess I was hoping for that effect. In other words, I was hoping people could assume whatever they wanted and just focus on what I said, rather than on who was saying it. For that reason, I chose PJ, because it could be anyone, either sex, any nationality, anyone and no one in particular. I wanted participation by anyone interested in the SCO story. No politics. Nothing extraneous. Just an effort to locate and provide evidence that could be useful. I knew the community could answer SCO, if they just knew what was needed. And they have." The article on Wikipedia was done a while back, but it's still accurate. I like being nobody, a private person. Groklaw was never a career move. What matters to me is the creative idea of Groklaw and that we've been able to execute, to present a group answer to SCO and now in other areas as well. It's always been about being effective and trying to see if a creative idea could work. And it did.
: )
If you have never been exposed to Scott McCloud's work, you might like to take a look. When I started Groklaw, I used to try to play with graphics, very much because of reading Scott's books, and because it was creatively fun, but when we moved to ibiblio, I stopped, because they ask us to be reasonable about bandwidth, for one thing, and also because as Groklaw grew, it was too time-consuming to get permissions and nearly impossible to get them in time. But I loved doing it, and in my mind, I still think of visuals I'd like to use in a kind of creative juxtaposition, mainly for humorous effect. Just another example of how creativity can be affected by IP law, as it is currently set up. Duke University Law School's Center for the Study of the Public Domain had a contest for students, asking them to come up with a video on that theme. You can find the finalists here, and can vote for your favorites. I would direct you particularly to the "The Army, One by One," by Christopher Sims, and "Why Copyrights?" by Turner Clay to get an idea of how and why permissions have become a modern problem for artists, particularly visual artists. There are some others that I enjoyed too, by the way, but these were the two that most match what I am trying to express here. There is a new source for photographs under Creative Commons licenses on Flickr, where anyone can post their photos and if they are under the right license, you can use them on your website without having to ask for permission.
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, December 18 2004 @ 06:57 AM EST |
| no text [ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, December 18 2004 @ 07:16 AM EST |
| <A HREF="http://www.example.com">Clickable link</A> [ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, December 18 2004 @ 07:22 AM EST |
If they're serious about working with the community, then I'm all for it. It
seemed the path they were taking seemed to make good business sense, but bad
community sense. Hopefully they will decide that bringing the corporate
backstabbing and manuvering to the dinner table might not such a great idea.
IANAL, so I await your analysis of the contract. Hopefully it is more appealing
than the previous version and GPL compatible. Good luck SUN, if you really mean
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- I for one, welcome SUN to the party - Authored by: blacklight on Saturday, December 18 2004 @ 07:32 AM EST
- ..well, I need neither Sun nor Quisling. N/T - Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, December 18 2004 @ 08:31 AM EST
- I for one, welcome SUN to the party - Authored by: Stumbles on Saturday, December 18 2004 @ 08:48 AM EST
- I for one, welcome SUN to the party - Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, December 19 2004 @ 02:25 AM EST
- SCO multi million dollar license, Sun was the first. - Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, December 19 2004 @ 05:12 AM EST
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, December 18 2004 @ 07:24 AM EST |
You could put the graphics on a different host.
and link to it from an article.
Or, by using adverising-like banners the content could be drawn from the other
host and then would not be a negative to the main host who does want to maintain
some bandwidth for regular users of that host!
Any other ideas?
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| Authored by: skuggi on Saturday, December 18 2004 @ 07:38 AM EST |
Well, isn't this something PJ! Sun Microsystems, of all,
say's they will revise their licence in part because of
your advice! Well done!
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-Skuggi. [ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: rsteinmetz70112 on Saturday, December 18 2004 @ 10:55 AM EST |
I recall Microsoft's recent SenderID patent license controversy.
Perhaps Sun learned something, perhaps this is intended as a demonstration of
Microsoft's recalcitrance.
Maybe in the best of all worlds all of the above is true.
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Rsteinmetz
"I could be wrong now, but I don't think so."
Randy Newman - The Title Theme from Monk[ Reply to This | # ]
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- Sun learns - Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, December 20 2004 @ 12:45 PM EST
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| Authored by: boban on Saturday, December 18 2004 @ 11:39 AM EST |
They seem to be torn inside. I am sure that people who work in Sun still hate
Microsoft at least just as badly as before, but business results and market
practically forced Sun to go to bed with MS.
So they seem like they are torn between their new obligations to MS, hating MS,
wanting to be (seen as?) good open source player, wanting to survive in the
market ...
It is interesting for us watching from outside, but it must be realy
"interesting" for them on the inside.
Boban.[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: The Mad Hatter r on Saturday, December 18 2004 @ 12:04 PM EST |
PJ,
I spent 10 minutes looking for a link to your graphics, before realizing there
wasn't one.
How about it?
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Wayne
telnet hatter.twgs.org
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, December 18 2004 @ 12:30 PM EST |
It does seem that you can tell whether or not PJ belongs to the ranks of those
who are their own boss by the timestamps on her posts. Late night == no boss.[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, December 18 2004 @ 12:36 PM EST |
| This is intended as a constructive observation. Simple graphics (few colors,
large continuous areas of fixed color) and text graphics seem to work much
better visually and are typically better compressed by a lossless file format
rather than the lossy ".jpg" This would likely be true for the Groklaw Map. A
.png or .gif (though .gif is not PC with the dyed-in-the-wool FOSS crowd) would
display much better and likely be much smaller for better network
efficiency. Give it a try (I would but don't have access to the original and
am too lazy to redo from scratch). [ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: gdeinsta on Saturday, December 18 2004 @ 01:05 PM EST |
| Thanks, tangomike. [ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, December 18 2004 @ 01:08 PM EST |
Businesses are wanting Linux not Solaris. I think SUN/MS is tring to create
license to steal GPL developers away from GNU/Linux.
My suggestion: Sun should either adopt the GPL and/or Linux (or retire early).
They should release Solaris under the GPL, let the FOSS make Linux better, and
Sun should say good bye to Solaris. Sun should adopt Linux and market that,
cause that is what people want.[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Tyro on Saturday, December 18 2004 @ 05:35 PM EST |
I wasn't able to read either of the redline pdfs. They downloaded fine, and
opened without the reader detecting an error, but the displayed versions were
mainly those "missing character" boxes, in various colors (red, blue,
and black as I remember).
Probably a problem with font selection, likely a presumption that everyone would
have certain MS fonts. (This is JUST a wild guess!)
Whatever, it was all unreadable.
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| Authored by: fudisbad on Saturday, December 18 2004 @ 11:22 PM EST |
Main posts in this thread may only be made by senior managers or attorneys for
"The SCO Group". Main posts must use the name and position of the
poster at "The SCO Group". Main posters must post in their official
capacity at "The SCO Group".
Sub-posts will also be allowed from non-"The SCO Group" employees or
attorneys. Sub-posts from persons not connected with "The SCO Group"
must be very polite, address other posters and the main poster with the
honorific "Mr." or "Mrs." or "Ms.", as
appropriate, use correct surnames, not call names or suggest or imply unethical
or illegal conduct by "The SCO Group" or its employees or attorneys.
This thread requires an extremely high standard of conduct and even slightly
marginal posts will be deleted.
PJ says you must be on your very best behavior.
If you want to comment on this thread, please post under "OT"
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FUD is not the answer.
FUD is the question.
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| Authored by: red floyd on Sunday, December 19 2004 @ 09:16 PM EST |
Posting this here, since it's relevant to the "where is..."
What happened to search by author? It's not there any more.
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The only reason we retain the rights we have is because people *JUST LIKE US*
died to preserve those rights.
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, December 20 2004 @ 12:45 PM EST |
The link to Sun makes no mention of Groklaw feedback.
Where's the article that you refer to, PJ?[ Reply to This | # ]
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