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DC's Opposition to SCO's Motion for a Stay - as text
Monday, December 06 2004 @ 01:37 PM EST

Here is DaimlerChrysler's Opposition to SCO's Motion for a Stay of Proceedings, as text, thanks to Kelledin, who transcribed it. I now have obtained a copy from the court to verify it and make any corrections. As you know, the hearing was already held on November 24, and SCO lost. When you read this outraged and sneering Opposition by DC, you will understand why.

They call it just like it is. This case, they say, has absolutely nothing in common with the IBM case, and nothing decided there will provide any "guidance" to this court, so it's pointless to grant SCO's request for a stay. The only issue still to be decided is timeliness of certification, something not at issue in the IBM case. Further, the IBM litigation was already going on, with SCO bringing it as plaintiff, when SCO brought its case against DCC. If they thought they needed "guidance" from the IBM case, they should have waited to bring this one. They just don't like the outcome they got, DC says, so now they'd like to delay.

Why does SCO need a stay? They haven't met the requirements to obtain one, DCC points out. "To authorize a stay of proceedings on account of a pending suit in another court, the two proceedings must be in all respects identical. . . . SCO does not suggest that this case is identical in any respect to the IBM litigation, nor could it. The parties, the facts, the interests, and the legal issues are all distinct." SCO just "wants to see how its bite at the IBM apple turns out before it expends any resources on the claims it has already forced DCC to defend."

Certification isn't even at issue in SCO v. IBM, and timeliness is even less so. Anyway, SCO wasn't harmed by any "delay", and the only issues to wrap up this litigation are fact-based:

"Second, the only remaining question in this action -- timeliness of DCC's certification response -- will be evaluated in light of the past conduct of the parties to the contract and the presence or absence of good faith, including the facts that DCC and SCO had no previous dealings on this license agreement prior to the SCO Letter, SCO sent the letter during the holiday break to the wrong company at the wrong address, as well as SCO's absence of prejudice."

Anyway, a decision in the IBM case would have no bearing here, DCC adds, because the court in this litigation has already ruled on DCC's "certification" obligations. That's no longer on the table, much as SCO might wish it were.

Remarkably, SCO, they claim, has done absolutely nothing since it lost its main cause of action in the DCC case, no discovery, no response to discovery requests, while DCC has been forced to spend money to defend itself. Then, after DCC repeatedly tried to get SCO to tell them if they planned on pursuing the case, particularly in light of the fact that SCO has suffered no damages from any purported delay in DCC's answering SCO's letter, SCO -- having missed all pretrial deadlines -- asked DCC to voluntarily agree to a dismissal without prejudice so SCO could appeal the judge's order dismissing SCO's principle cause of action, a request DCC naturally refused, seeing it as SCO trying to game the legal system. Yes, they use the word "gamesmanship". They also call it "a naked effort to manipulate the Court system." It just wouldn't be fair to DCC to delay. SCO brought this action and in doing so they have forced DCC to spend money to defend itself, and a stay would leave the claim hanging over DCC while SCO pursues other cases where it may hope to actually win some damages:

"In the months since this Court granted DCC partial summary disposition on SCO's breach of contract claim, SCO has abandoned prosecution of this case. It has missed every deadline set by the Court, failed to initiate discovery, failed to respond to DCC's discovery requests that were due prior to SCO's filing of its stay motion, failed to file witness and exhibit lists, and declined to submit a Case Evaluation Summary for the hearing scheduled for November 30, 2004.

SCO's failure to pursue this action is no accident. From July 21, 2004, when the Court heard argument and ruled on DCC's motion for summary disposition, until November 9, 2004, DCC through its counsel contacted SCO on multiple occasions to inquire whether SCO intended to proceed with, settle, or dismiss this case, especially in light of the absence of injury or damage to SCO on its remaining claim concerning the timing of DCC's response to the SCO letter. In the past months, SCO did not seek to proceed, settle, or dismiss; it did nothing at all. Then, having missed every relevant deadline, SCO on November 5, 2004, requested that DCC stipulate to a stay of this action pending the outcome of the unrelated SCO v. IBM litigation--an action to which SCO itself is the plaintiff and which was pending when SCO initiated this case.

"DCC declined to stipulate to a stay, for two principal reasons. First, SCO had brought the case, and caused DCC to expend resources to defend against it. It would be unfair, having brought its claim, then to leave that claim hanging over DCC while SCO pursues other unrelated, but more financially promising, litigation against third parties. . . .

"SCO wants to see how its bite at the IBM apple turns out before it expends any resources on the claims it has already forced DCC to defend. Courts, however, do not grant stays to promote this kind of litigation tactic--sue, force the defendant to expend resources, then stay the case while the plaintiff decides if it is really "worth it" to pursue the case at some unknown later date."

DCC mocks SCO's legal work. The solitary case they presented in support of their motion for a stay stands for "for the uncontroversial position that courts have the discretion to control their dockets", DC writes with eyes rolling, but SCO was silly to rely on the case, because the court in that case "denied the defendant's motion for a stay." Duh. As for the Autozone case, which SCO cited as a case it hoped the DCC court would imitate, DC points out that the AutoZone order SCO attached to its motion "indicates that SCO opposed a motion to stay its case against AutoZone." They are laughing at SCO's cases, nothing less. And they sum it up by saying that SCO has not presented a single case that actually supports their position. You surely do need at least one.

Interestingly, DCC says that SCO filed their Motion for a Stay on Wednesday night, November 17, and hand-delivered a copy to DCC's lawyers at 5 PM. DCC's answer was filed Friday, November 19, according to the time stamp by the court. There is no moss growing on DCC's attorneys. That is very fast turnaround.

I think you could describe this Opposition document as saying pointblank that SCO is "full of it," to quote Linus. And the court denied SCO's motion, so evidently the judge agreed. The case is set to go to trial the first week of January, on January 7, and considering SCO has done absolutely no pre-trial work, according to DC, it should be a fascinating performance. I wonder which smooth-talking lawyer gets the honor of standing up and representing SCO that day.

I have a picture in my mind of straws being passed around the office (with some lawyers hiding in the men's room), and the short stick has to do it.

**************************************

STATE OF MICHIGAN
IN THE CIRCUIT COURT FOR THE COUNTY OF OAKLAND

______________________________

THE SCO GROUP, INC.,

Plaintiff,

vs.

DAIMLERCHRYSLER CORPORATION,

Defendant.

________________________________

Joel H. Serlin (P20224)
Barry M. Rosenbaum (P26487)
SEYBURN, KAHN, GINN, BESS AND SERLIN, P.C.
Attorneys for SCO
[address, phone]

James P. Feeney (P13335)
Thomas S. Bishoff (P53753)
Stephen L. Tupper (P53918)
DYKEMA GOSSETT PLLC
Attorneys for DaimlerChrysler Corporation
[address, phone]


DEFENDANT DAIMLERCHRYSLER CORPORATION'S
OPPOSITION TO SCO'S MOTION FOR STAY OF PROCEEDINGS

Hearing Date: November 24, 2004


Defendant DaimlerChrysler Corporation ("DCC") opposes SCO's Motion for Stay of Proceedings. As set forth in detail below, SCO's motion for a stay should be denied.

SCO initiated this litigation in February 2004 -- nearly a year after it brought suit against IBM. At no time did SCO suggest to this Court that its claims were unripe, or in any way related to or dependent upon the outcome of SCO's litigation against IBM. It is only now that its remaining claim about timeliness is about to proceed to trial -- without SCO meeting a single Court-ordered deadline or discovery obligation -- that SCO comes before this Court seeking a stay.

SCO has failed entirely to show that the action that SCO itself initiated against IBM -- and which was pending at the time SCO initiated this action -- could have any bearing on the outcome of SCO's remaining claim about the timeliness of DCC's response to the SCO letter, much less over SCO's original breach of contract action, which this Court adjudicated by way of summary disposition in July. The stay should be denied and SCO ordered either to proceed to trial or have its remaining claim dismissed with prejudice.

FACTUAL AND PROCEDURAL BACKGROUND

In the months since this Court granted DCC partial summary disposition on SCO's breach of contract claim, SCO has abandoned prosecution of this case. It has missed every deadline set by the Court, failed to initiate discovery, failed to respond to DCC's discovery requests that were due prior to SCO's filing of its stay motion, failed to file witness and exhibit lists, and declined to submit a Case Evaluation Summary for the hearing scheduled for November 30, 2004.

SCO's failure to pursue this action is no accident. From July 21, 2004, when the Court heard argument and ruled on DCC's motion for summary disposition, until November 9, 2004, DCC through its counsel contacted SCO on multiple occasions to inquire whether SCO intended to proceed with, settle, or dismiss this case, especially in light of the absence of injury or damage to SCO on its remaining claim concerning the timing of DCC's response to the SCO letter. In the past months, SCO did not seek to proceed, settle, or dismiss; it did nothing at all. Then, having missed every relevant deadline, SCO on November 5, 2004, requested that DCC stipulate to a stay of this action pending the outcome of the unrelated SCO v. IBM litigation -- an action to which SCO itself is the plaintiff and which was pending when SCO initiated this case.

DCC declined to stipulate to a stay, for two principal reasons. First, SCO had brought the case, and caused DCC to expend resources to defend against it. It would be unfair, having brought its claim, then to leave that claim hanging over DCC while SCO pursues other unrelated, but more financially promising, litigation against third parties.

Second, the remaining issue in this case -- the timeliness of DCC's response to SCO's demand for certification -- is not now and never has been an issue in the IBM litigation. Accordingly, resolution of the IBM litigation -- which may be years in the future1 -- will have no impact on the legal issues remaining in this case. Nor is any issue of certification involved in the IBM litigation; the fact is, the two cases have no common legal issues.

In response, SCO on November 9, 2004 stated that it would move to dismiss the remaining claim without prejudice and take an appeal of the Court's order granting DCC partial summary disposition. DCC informed SCO in writing on November 12, 2004 that DCC would oppose any motion to dismiss without prejudice, particularly given SCO's failure to prosecute this action while DCC has incurred legal fees to defend it, and given SCO's transparent attempt to circumvent Michigan's prohibition against interlocutory appeals and piecemeal litigation. On November 15, 2004, SCO reiterated its intention to move for a voluntary dismissal without prejudice.

SCO then filed the present motion on November 17, 2004, hand-delivered a copy to counsel at 5 p.m., seeking a stay of the very action that it initiated, whose deadlines SCO has ignored, and without citation to a single case supporting its position.

ARGUMENT

I. SCO FAILS TO DEMONSTRATE A NEED FOR A STAY.

SCO does not even attempt to meet Michigan's requirements for a stay,2 instead relying on the irrelevant and facially insupportable argument that the IBM action could provide the Court with "guidance" in determining whether DCC's response to the SCO letter was timely. See Motion for Stay ("Mot.") ¶7. SCO's argument has no support under Michigan law.3 See Detroit Trust Co. v. Manilow et al., 272 Mich. 211, 215 (1935). Nor does it have any factual basis in the claims asserted in the IBM litigation.

The putative basis on which SCO seeks the stay -- that the IBM case will provide guidance on the scope of licensees' obligations -- is inapplicable to SCO's only claim, which concerns reasonableness of the time frame in which DCC responded to the SCO Letter. The issue of whether DCC responded reasonably will not be affected by resolution of the "contract interpretation issue currently pending in the IBM case." See Mot. ¶7. First, that "contract" is not the same as the license that exists in this case. Certification is not even an issue in the IBM case. Timeliness of response to certification demands is even further from what will be decided in that case.

Second, the only remaining question in this action -- timeliness of DCC's certification response -- will be evaluated in light of the past conduct of the parties to the contract and the presence or absence of good faith, including the facts that DCC and SCO had no previous dealings on this license agreement prior to the SCO Letter, SCO sent the letter during the holiday break to the wrong company at the wrong address, as well as SCO's absence of prejudice. See Zev v. Merman, 73 N.Y.2d 781, 536 N.Y.S3d 739 (1988) (reasonableness inquiry requires consideration of object of the contract, parties' previous conduct, presence or absence of good faith, parties' experience, and possibility of prejudice or harm). The fact-specific reasonableness inquiry thus has nothing to do with the interpretation of some different contract between IBM and SCO.

Moreover, the Court has already adjudicated whether DCC has any obligations with respect to "certification." Therefore, the IBM court's interpretation of SCO's contract with IBM could have no bearing on the Court's decision in this case. The IBM litigation is simply irrelevant to, and will have no effect upon the reasonableness question that remains before the Court, or even on the issues this Court already has resolved.4

Indeed, it is clear from the face of SCO's motion that SCO does not seek a stay because the merits of this action will be in any way affected or "guided" by the IBM litigation. Instead, SCO admits that "it may no longer be productive for SCO" to pursue Linux certifications "from UNIX endusers [generally]" if it loses the IBM case. See Mot. ¶8 (emphasis added). Therefore, "SCO may choose never to litigate [its remaining claim] against DCC" in the event of such a loss. Id. ¶9 (emphasis added). In other words, SCO wants to see how its bite at the IBM apple turns out before it expends any resources on the claims it has already forced DCC to defend.5 Courts, however, do not grant stays to promote this kind of litigation tactic -- sue, force the defendant to expend resources, then stay the case while the plaintiff decides if it is really "worth it" to pursue the case at some unknown later date.

SCO's "mootness" argument (see Mot. ¶12) fares no better. Again, SCO's argument about conserving judicial resources is really an argument about its own strategic choices: if SCO loses the IBM case, it won't bother to appeal this Court's dismissal of its claim. See id. Even if a stay could permissibly be granted to serve such an interest -- which it cannot -- the pure inefficiency of doing so would require a denial of SCO's motion here. The IBM case is unlikely to be resolved until years after a trial on the merits of this action. It makes no sense from a practical or efficiency perspective to have this case on the court's docket for such an indeterminate length of time.6

Finally, the Court should deny SCO's motion because to do otherwise would reward SCO's gamesmanship. The IBM case was pending when SCO initiated this action. SCO therefore made the initial judgment that it would be "worth it" for SCO to pursue this action in tandem with its claims against IBM. If SCO believed that resolution of this case would require "guidance" from the IBM court, it should never have initiated this suit. Having done so, it may not be permitted to manipulate the court system by pursuing two litigations simultaneously and then, when it does not like the way one litigation is going, contend that that suit must be stayed in favor of the other. Nothing has changed since SCO initiated this lawsuit other than the fact that its principal cause of action has been dismissed. If there was ever a risk of wasting resources or losing critical "guidance," SCO embraced that risk by filing suit here, and, having done so, it should not be permitted to stay this case now.7

CONCLUSION

The context of SCO's motion, the lack of legal authority to support it, and the absence of any plausible reason for tying the adjudication of this case to the outcome of the IBM litigation reveal SCO's motion for what it is -- a naked effort to manipulate the Court system, and DCC, for SCO's own benefit. DCC therefore respectfully requests that the Court deny SCO's Motion For Stay and award DCC its fees and costs incurred in preparing this Opposition.

Dated: November 19, 2004

_____[signature]_____
James P. Feeney (P13335)
Thomas S. Bishoff (P53753)
Stephen L. Tupper (P53918)
Dykema Gossett PLLC
[address, phone]

Attorneys for Defendant
DaimlerChrysler Corporation

Of counsel

WILMER CUTLER PICKERING
HALE AND DORR LLP
Mark G. Matuschak
Michelle D. Miller
[address, phone]

Robin L. Alperstein
[address, phone]


1The SCO-IBM case is not scheduled for trial until November 1, 2005.

2To authorize a stay of proceedings on account of a pending suit in another court, the two proceedings must be in all respects identical. See The People on the Relation of George M. Granger v. The Judge of the Wayne Circuit Court, 27 Mich. 406 (1873); see also Detroit Trust Co. v. Manilow et al., 272 Mich. 211, 215 (1935). SCO does not suggest that this case is identical in any respect to the IBM litigation, nor could it. The parties, the facts, the interests, and the legal issues are all distinct.

3The sole case that SCO cites in its motion -- for the uncontroversial position that courts have the discretion to control their dockets -- denied the defendant's motion for a stay. See Amersham Int'l PLC v. Corning Glass Works, 618 F. Supp. 507 (E.D. Mich. 1984).

4The AutoZone order that SCO itself attached to its motion indicates that SCO opposed a motion to stay its case against AutoZone, which asserted copyright infringement claims similar to those in the IBM case.

5Notably, SCO elected to spend no resources after the Court dismissed its breach of contract claim, but forced DCC to continue to do so in defense of this action while SCO let every deadline pass.

6Though SCO contends the summary judgment motion will resolve various issues, this contention is only true if summary judgment is granted as to particular issues. Even if it is, there may be appeals, but if it is not, the case -- which has 22 claims and counterclaims -- will continue.)

7The two orders SCO attached to its motion do not bolster its argument. In both, the defendant, not the plaintiff, sought the stay.


PROOF OF SERVICE

The undersigned certifies that the foregoing instrument was served upon all parties and/or attorneys of record for all parties to the above cause at their respective addresses as indicated on the pleadings, on the 19th day of November, 2004, by:

[__] U.S. Mail
_[X]_ Hand Delivery
[__] Facsimile
[__] Overnight Mail

___[signature]___
Donna M. Tonelli


  


DC's Opposition to SCO's Motion for a Stay - as text | 215 comments | Create New Account
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OT and links here
Authored by: PolR on Monday, December 06 2004 @ 01:40 PM EST
You know the drill.

Trolls are unwelcomed.

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The only thing Im wondering is:
Authored by: pfusco on Monday, December 06 2004 @ 01:48 PM EST
Whether the judge will grant the attorney fees and costs to DC

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only the soul matters in the end

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Did DCC Lawyers get compensation?
Authored by: om1er on Monday, December 06 2004 @ 01:52 PM EST
I see where the lawyers requested that they be reimbursed for preparing the
opposition motion. Was SCO ordered to pay them?

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Keeping an eye on the bouncing ball.

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Hilarious!
Authored by: StLawrence on Monday, December 06 2004 @ 01:52 PM EST
I never thought court proceedings could be so amusing.
This whole fiaSCO just keeps getting more and more
entertaining. Can't wait until things resume unravling
for SCO after the start of the new year.

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Corrections thread
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, December 06 2004 @ 01:55 PM EST
"issue in the IBM caase" => case

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Wow!
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, December 06 2004 @ 02:02 PM EST
They certainly pull no punches! It's nice to see such straight-forward
arguments, and an official spelling out of the abominable tactics used by the
plaintiff.

Larry N.

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Statue of limitation?
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, December 06 2004 @ 02:07 PM EST
I'm no fan of SCO, but could they argue that they had to sue DCC before the IBM
case was resolved because otherwise it would be too late?

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Do we have a transcript of the hearing?
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, December 06 2004 @ 02:14 PM EST
The hearing was quite a while ago... is it possible to obtain the transcript
yet? Anyone know what was decided (other than the stay was denied)?

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SCO required to use registered mail?
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, December 06 2004 @ 02:36 PM EST
I'm sure I read back when the court dismissed most of SCO's case that SCO had
the duty to request certification by registered mail. But I believe SCO used
normal first class mail for its mass mailing. This failure is not only a
violation of the terms of certification, it makes it impossible for SCO to
determine when and to whom the request was delivered.

Am I wrong here? If not, why has this been omitted from all subsequent
discussion? It seems more than a technicality.

- Alan R. Hinds

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30 Days
Authored by: _Arthur on Monday, December 06 2004 @ 02:40 PM EST
A brave SCO lawyer, -- let's call him Kevin, -- will go to Court next month,
and explain with a straight face how terrible it was for Daimler not to perform

and Audit within 30 days of SCO mailing such a request.

But what was SCO itself doing during Christmas 2003 ?
Well, it was failing to meet the deadline for a 30-day Compelling order, all its

people being gone in hollidays.

SCO would have a lot of trouble to convince me that Daimler failure to
perform an audit within the unilaterally imposed deadline is of more import
than SCO failing to meet several legal deadlines, in its very dealings with
Daimler legal staff all during 2004 ? Unclean Hands spring to mind.

_Arthur

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Go, DCX!
Authored by: Cesar Rincon on Monday, December 06 2004 @ 03:20 PM EST

So let me get this straight. SCO already lost most of this case by means of summary judgement. But they cannot appeal yet because the case is not over, they must go to trial and have the remaining issue decided first. And the remaining issue is a sure loser for SCO, and that is "sure" as in "absolute certainty, without the slightest trace of a doubt": it's about DCX taking too long to answer a single letter sent "during the holiday break to the wrong company at the wrong address." And how much SCO was harmed by this.

Lovely.

You know, at the time I was a bit puzzled about why the judge left that ridiculous timing issue alive. I mean, I thought she should had noted down that wrong address thing in her judgement, throw the whole thing out and be done with it. Now I'm wondering if judge Chabot is smart and cunning enough to have this plot twist masterminded from the start. Heh.

Anyway, thanks DCX, for not giving these people an easy way out. I can't wait to read the trial transcripts.

(Btw, I had some doubts but now I made up my mind: I'm getting myself a new PT Cruiser next year :-)

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Help me out: I can't decide
Authored by: raynfala on Monday, December 06 2004 @ 03:35 PM EST
I'm trying to come up with an appropriate mental image of the SCO legal team in
action, and I can't decide which image is most appropriate:

1) The Keystone Kops
2) The Three Stooges
3) Your run-of-the-mill Benny Hill skit... you know, the ones with no actual
dialogue and the endlessly looping "Mah-Nah, Mah-Nah" song
4) Punch & Judy
5) Some of the above
6) All of the above

--Raynfala

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Anybody notice the dog's NOT barking?
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, December 06 2004 @ 03:48 PM EST
There is a very interesting silence here. DCC's lawyers wanted to take some
depositions and SCO's lawyers would not apparently answer the phone. My
understanding is that it is a big professional no-no for a lawyer to flat-out
jam the legal process like that. We have of course only the skimpiest of facts
from the DCC side, but it sounds awfully bald-faced.

Soo, questions to rummenate on:
1. Who would DCC have wanted to depose, and about what?
2. What could possibly be so bad about those depositions, that SCO's lawyers
would apparently put themselves at risk (assuming that part of this analysis is
correct)?

From the DCC filing, the SCO lawyer's seem so loudly silent.

JG

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DC's Opposition to SCO's Motion for a Stay - as text
Authored by: vonbrand on Monday, December 06 2004 @ 03:56 PM EST
Daimler-Chrysler Corp. is sometimes spelled "DC" and sometimes
"DCC", which is confusing....

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DC's Opposition to SCO's Motion for a Stay - as text
Authored by: Groklaw Lurker on Monday, December 06 2004 @ 03:57 PM EST
"...I have a picture in my mind of straws being passed around the office
(with some lawyers hiding in the men's room), and the short stick has to do
it..."

Heh. Is this really a case an attorney would want on their resume'...? :)

---
(GL) Groklaw Lurker
End the tyranny, abolish software patents.

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what is there to prepare?
Authored by: Paul Shirley on Monday, December 06 2004 @ 04:00 PM EST
considering SCO has done absolutely no pre-trial work, according to DC, it should be a fascinating performance

Some years ago I sued Activision for unreported & missing royalties. The only sign of their lawyers doing anything was a few offers to pay what they owed if I signed a secrecy agreement, basically a stock letter.

On the day of the trial they threw in my costs to sweeten the deal, another stock letter. When we got before the judge he simply asked if the charges were true, they said yes: case over.

They knew they couldn't win so why waste money preparing a case, especially since they also knew they'd be paying my legal costs and they could find no way to bankrupt me in time.

SCOG probably made a similar analysis, they cant win so why waste money, maybe they didn't think costs could/would be awarded or maybe they think its the cheapest option even if costs are awarded. SCOG game the system regularly, this is just some gambling on the top.

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Place your bets!
Authored by: tangomike on Monday, December 06 2004 @ 04:15 PM EST
"SCO ordered either to proceed to trial or have its remaining claim
dismissed with prejudice."

So we have this proposal/request for relief from DCC. What's the betting?

---
The SCO Group's secret project to develop Artificial Stupidity has obviously
succeeded!

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DC's Opposition to SCO's Motion for a Stay - as text
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, December 06 2004 @ 04:24 PM EST
You know, this is funny, when you stop to think about it.

What is the one remaining issue?

"The only issue still to be decided is timeliness of certification"

Here SCO has missed numerous court deadlines, so asks for a stay. Can anyone
say anything about the timeliness of SCOG's actions, when they've had months to
do what is necessary, have known what they needed to do yet did nothing?
Contrast that with a requirement to respond to a certification in a
"timely" manner when the request was sent to the wrong address etc.
etc.

But they want to ding Chrysler for "timeliness".

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  • Timeliness - Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, December 06 2004 @ 04:33 PM EST
  • Ironic (eom) - Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, December 06 2004 @ 04:34 PM EST
DC's Opposition to SCO's Motion for a Stay - as text
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, December 06 2004 @ 04:47 PM EST
Why did DC have to certify with SCO's license in the first place? Based on the
filings, they didn't do anything wrong...except delay their certification.

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its about the appeal
Authored by: Paul Shirley on Monday, December 06 2004 @ 05:05 PM EST
It seems likely SCOG need the stay purely to keep the window of opportunity for
an appeal open.

If they appeal promptly after losing the Jan hearing they're forced to either
reveal evidence they won't give in the IBM case (assuming it exists of course)
or guarantee a loss.

Losing is disastrous for all future litigation or attempts to collect Linux
licence fees from UNIX licence holders. Giving the evidence will at best damage
their gaming of the IBM case, at worst lead to sanctions against almost everyone
on SCOG's side.

They can't just walk away because it sets a precedent all other UNIX licencees
can use and destroys what little FUD value the case still holds.

The only way out is to threaten an appeal but make sure it happens some time in
the distant future.

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Quick turnaround, saving SCO money
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, December 06 2004 @ 05:06 PM EST
There is no moss growing on DCC's attorneys. That is very fast turnaround.

It's nice of DC's attorneys to log so few hours; it will save SCO some money when they're ordered to cover DC's costs.

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No jury trial, if things remain the way they are now
Authored by: AllParadox on Monday, December 06 2004 @ 05:20 PM EST
Unless something big changes real soon, no jury will return a verdict in this
case.

What all the lawyers know, but have left unsaid, is this: TSG will never get
past opening argument.

Assuming TSG lawyers are foolish enough to proceed, Judge Chabot might just let
them voire dire prospective jury members, then let them make an opening
statement.

Expect the TSG opening statement to be frequently, or even constantly
interrupted with objections, and it is likely that some DCC objections will be
sustained.

Expect that "damages" will not be discussed in the TSG opening.
Either TSG will not bring it up, or DCC will object and keep it out. The
grounds for the DCC objections, I surmise, will be that TSG has not timely
complied with DCC discovery requests, related to TSG damages. Since TSG has not
timely disclosed damage evidence, they will not be allowed to introduce any.

Before DCC makes a responsive opening statement, they will move for a directed
verdict against TSG. A plaintiff is supposed to describe his evidence in his
opening statement. If he leaves out something critical, like damages, he can
lose. That the defendant has kept out the description of the evidence by
objections is no excuse.

Judge Chabot can grant such a motion for directed verdict, and judges do grant
such motions, on occasion. Quite embarassing for the losing trial lawyer.

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All is paradox: I no longer practice law, so this is just another layman's
opinion. For a Real Legal Opinion, buy one from a licensed Attorney

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A tinge of sorrow starts to pop up...
Authored by: Hydra on Monday, December 06 2004 @ 05:51 PM EST

A tinge of sorrow starts to pop up for SCO's legal counsil.

They are not just asked to fight an uphill battle, they also have to do so without air support, without artillery, without heavy armor, with little intelligence (or withheld intelligence) and with precicous little ammunition that's not capable of mere denting of the opposition.

I know, as analogy it isn't all that well thought over, let alone worked out, but I do start to feel sorry for the grunts who have to follow the "attack that hill with whatever you've got" while they have an extremely limited amount of ammunition and only a prop shooter...

Not to mention the fact that the SCO "generals" have taken the fight to 3 different fronts. But that's where the analogy goes limp, because supply routes are irrelevant here.

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DC's Opposition to SCO's Motion for a Stay - as text
Authored by: bsm2003 on Monday, December 06 2004 @ 05:55 PM EST
Can DCC be awarded Punitave and Pain and Suffering for having to endure all the
poopoo from the inaction of the plaintiff?

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PJ, are you sure trial is brought to 7 January ?
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, December 06 2004 @ 05:58 PM EST
Wasn't trial scheduled 11 January 2005 ?
Probably the date has been forwarded because the 30 November case evaluation got
skipped.
Chabot is really killing SCO.
Go DC.
Go PJ.

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DC's Opposition to SCO's Motion for a Stay - as text
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, December 06 2004 @ 06:14 PM EST
Then I'm sure SCO would have requested an audit. They then would have said,
"Hey, you're running Linux, but not paying us a license fee for it. Fork
over an additional $699 per processor that you are running Linux on."

That way it COULD have been tied to the IBM lawsuit....

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What does this mean?
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, December 06 2004 @ 08:14 PM EST
"...SCO's transparent attempt to circumvent Michigan's prohibition against

interlocutory appeals and piecemeal litigation..."

Thanks!!

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Fees and costs?
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, December 06 2004 @ 09:24 PM EST
I notice that DCC's lawyers were so fed up with SCO's baseless litigation
tactics that they asked that SCO be ordered to pay "fees and costs"
(ie, DCC's legal fees plus court filing costs) for this motion. Anybody know
whether this request was granted?
---Nartreb

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DC's Opposition to SCO's Motion for a Stay - as text
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, December 07 2004 @ 12:00 AM EST
How can we let DC know that we support them? I don't
want them to have a bad taste in their mouth.

I already own one of their cars and my next one will be
one of theirs too. I did some research at the MIT Media
Lab with a Chrysler 300C a couple years ago, using gifts
from Chrysler and Motorola. With that and reading how
they talked about SCO to a judge, I feel very close to
them.

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Puts Me In Mind Of An Obligatory Simpsons Quote...
Authored by: odysseus on Tuesday, December 07 2004 @ 07:19 AM EST
"Smithers, release the hounds!"

Cue snarling pack of dobermans ripping SCO's corpse to
shreds on DCC's doorstep where they had the temerity to
press the doorbell and try sell their snake-oil...

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