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Wednesday, August 25 2004 @ 10:43 PM EDT
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Everything strikes me funny today. I am definitely enjoying IBM's latest documents, and by the way, I have all the cases now and I'll try to explain it, after my poor brain takes a laugh break. SCO is always good for a laugh. Today, the most normal, I thought, of the SCOFolk announced that SCO is not the anti-Christ and that Linux doesn't exist.
There is no way to top that.
Kieran O'Shaughnessy says that IBM is the bad guy. Oh:
"It took us 25 years to build our business and it took [IBM] four years simply by stealing code and then giving it away free." Then they should tell the court exactly what code was stolen and then given away free, dontcha think? IBM keeps asking. Psst. IBM was founded in 1896.
He says they aren't actually going after SCOSource licenses any more. It's not urgent. They're all about products now. But you can get one if you reeeeally want one. But litigation? Don't be silly. They're a Unix company now, and their business is growing. The licenses haven't been selling like hotcakes, but SCO has "broken their duck." Hmmm. The lawsuits are a drain, of course, but they'll "win big" in the end, so it's really just an investment. That's what BayStar thought. He says it's impossible to win a PR war against IBM. I beg to differ. We haven't heard a peep out of IBM since this all started. If SCO can't win the PR war when it is the only one doing all the talking, maybe these SCOFolk need to learn how to look inward. But none of that introspection or self-doubt today, that's for sure. SCO will prevail in the end, and "the true story will unfold as court filings continue." Promises, promises. Could they start the unveling, already, please? This slow strip is frustrating the audience. Oh, and SCO won't be satisfied with mere financial compensation. They will insist on removal of the "stolen code". Oooh, scary. "Linux doesn't exist. Everyone knows Linux is an unlicensed version of Unix," he added. Think that will show up as an exhibit in a SCO filing someday "proving" that Linux is an unlicensed version of Unix and everyone knows it? Me, too. I just am in awe how SCO plants stories, then quotes them in the court filings as proof. But never fear, when it happens, those IBM knights will come galloping onto the field, lances at the ready, with banners fluttering in the wind, that say, "You need some facts to win in a court of law, thou doofus." And "Where's the beef?" Here is some evidence of Linux's existence:
- CyberGuard is switching from SCO's Unix to Linux. "The move away from Unixware will enable CyberGuard to add advanced, modern capabilities to its security appliances."
- So is Bank of America. You remember them -- the folks that didn't get sued at the last minute. I think the news about the DaimlerChrysler decision has emboldened corporate Amercia. "Bank of America has gone public on outline plans to port its proprietary Unix systems to Linux, ignoring the enduring threat of legal action from open source litigant SCO."
- Linux use is growing by leaps and bounds, according to Gartner. "Linux servers are on the rise again thanks in part to low-end and x86-64 based servers, according to a new survey by market research firm Gartner." I believe this steady server growth indicates Linux must exist after all. No?
"Enterprises trust Linux's maturity and don't put much stock in legal threats from potential issues with patents or the SCO Group. . . . Gartner said Linux revenue grew 54.6 % in the second quarter and unit shipments jumped more than 61% giving the OS 9.5% of the overall market share. . . . Recent threats from issues with patents and the hovering specter of the SCO Group doesn't seem to impact many spending decisions, McLaughlin added. 'Companies are not viewing it as enough of an issue,' he said."
Microsoft tried hard to be funny today too. Or maybe they're just funny without really trying. Or maybe there's something about Australia, because today Microsoft Australia's platform strategy manager, Paul Roworth, spoke out about Linux too. I deduce Linux does exist after all, according to Microsoft, but it is a "sensationalized misconception." Hold on. Could you guys synchronize your watches? We're having trouble keeping the story straight.
On the very same day, Microsoft says that - Linux isn't really a viable challenger to Microsoft. That's all in your mind. "Linux is no threat to Microsoft and any claims to the contrary are simply a misconception created by sensationalism and media hype..." Linux gets too much publicity, he says.
- Linux costs more than Microsoft, and analysts paid by Microsoft say so. "Microsoft New Zealand platform strategy manager Brett Roberts addressed several points that IBM presents in its case for Linux vs Microsoft. Among the claims, Roberts said, is: ‘Linux costs less to acquire’. Refuting this claim, Roberts presented the results of studies, by Bearing Point and IDC, that Microsoft commissioned stating Windows Server 2003 was more cost effective. He said although Microsoft commissioned the studies and they were not undertaken independently, these are brand name companies make the reports credible."
Say, what? Want to try saying that again? And then we read: - ". .. .Microsoft stands to lose significantly if Asia makes a large-scale move away from Windows. . . Several Asian countries have begun initiatives to promote Linux and open-source applications, although none have yet mandated its use over proprietary equivalents. A three-country initiative involving Japan, China and South Korea has resulted in a localized standard version for Linux known as Asianux.Microsoft Corp., which stands to lose significantly if Asia makes a large-scale move away from its standard Windows desktop has recently agreed to sell a cheap version of its flagship XP desktop operating system in Malaysia, Thailand and Indonesia. The software, called Windows XP Starter Edition, will be available on low-cost hardware from October." No competitive threat there. By the way, I have heard from one of organizers of Software Freedom Day, who tells me that the UN, despite what the article says, has nothing to do with this project.
- Microsoft was found guilty by a UK advertising counsel of misleading advertising in its "Get the Facts" campaign, for saying Linux costs more than Windows, using for comparison Linux and Windows on different hardware, and then figuring in the cost of the hardware in the computation. "The ad contained a graph comparing the cost in US dollars between a Linux images running on two z900 mainframe CPUs and a Windows Server 2003 image running two 900MHz Intel Xeons chips. The ad claimed: 'Linux was found to be over 10 times more expensive than Windows Servers'. It said that 'in a recent study audited by leading independent research analyst Meta Group, measured costs of Linux running on IBM's z900 mainframe for Windows-comparable functions of file serving and Web serving. The results showed that IBM z900 mainframe running Linux is much less capable and vastly more expensive than Windows Server 2003 as a platform for server consolidation." Independent analyst, eh?
Here is the actual ruling. Here's the conclusion: "Because the comparison included the hardware, as well as the operating system and therefore did not show that running a Linux operating system was ten times more expensive than running a Windows operating system, the Authority concluded that the advertisement was misleading. It advised the advertisers to amend the advertisement and advised them to seek help from the CAP Copy Advice team."
That's it. Yes, that's the problem, all right. Microsoft doesn't know how to write accurate ads, and I'm sure the Copy Advice team can give them a hand. And Meta Group doesn't know where up is and didn't realize main frames are, um, costly items. I'm sure that's all it is. Would you like to see a real study of open source TCO that *wasn't* funded by Microsoft? OK. Here. Guess what they found? Soreon Research under the title,
"Saving Cash: A Comparison of Open Source and Proprietary Software," reports that when you take Microsoft's thumb off the scale, Linux not only exists, it's cheaper, and the larger your company, the more you can save (because you likely already have Linux gurus on the payroll):
"The case studies show that cost savings of up to nearly 30% are realizable
using Open Source. These savings come from reduced license fees and
operating costs."
Finally, here's a very funny picture for you, a snapshot taken at HPWorld, where SCO and IBM booths were inexplicably placed right next to each other. It says it all. Incidentally, no need to explain to me that SCO meant that Linux is really Unix in obfuscated disguise. I get it. It's just that to me, it's a joke.
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Authored by: skidrash on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 01:02 AM EDT |
Kieran discovers a Babelfish.
This proves that God exists.
But since it's such an obvious clue, God can't exist, god goes *POOF*.
Turns out God was Linus in disguise, so *POOF* goes Linus.
For an encore Kieran proves black == white & goes insane at the next zebra
crossing.
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Authored by: NastyGuns on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 01:03 AM EDT |
So PJ can find them easily. --- NastyGuns,
"If I'm not here, I've gone out to find myself. If I return before I get back,
please keep me here." Unknown. [ Reply to This | # ]
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- What "broken their duck" means - Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 01:14 AM EDT
- PJ you missed the most important bit! - Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 01:16 AM EDT
- Corrections Here - Authored by: dcm on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 01:49 AM EDT
- Grandma is off - Authored by: Stoneshop on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 02:42 AM EDT
- Corrections Here - Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 04:01 AM EDT
- Corrections Here - Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 04:05 AM EDT
- Corrections Here - Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 04:39 PM EDT
- Corrections Here - Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 05:33 AM EDT
- Corrections Here - Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 05:56 AM EDT
- Just a little nitpicking - Authored by: talahin on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 07:19 AM EDT
- Corrections Here - Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 03:39 PM EDT
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Authored by: Scriptwriter on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 01:04 AM EDT |
I don't know why, but that just made me laugh.
It just must be the night for it.
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Don't it always seem to go that you never know what you've got 'til it's gone?
RIP Mike "Moogy" Tuxford 1952-2004
irc.fdfnet.net #groklaw[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: iceworm on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 01:05 AM EDT |
Just for grins! [ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: skidrash on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 01:08 AM EDT |
The proof that Linux doesn't exist is in Blepp's briefcase.
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 01:10 AM EDT |
One of the problems with Microsoft is that they are beginning to sound like
politicians - (and everyone I hope has a healthy scepticism about the things
those guys say)- but they dont realise it. For example, this is from an eweek
article on the subject:-
"A source close to Microsoft and familiar with the matter said Wednesday
that Microsoft had worked with the ASA in advance and submitted all ads for
general approval before they were run, as was its standard policy on
advertising.
"The ad in question was cleared, in advance, by the ASA. Evidently they're
going back on that based on anonymous inquiries challenging the
advertisement," the source said.
The source suggested that the issue is moot because "these advertisements
aren't even running now as they only ran from February to May of this year in
the UK," the source said."
No admission of error and an attempt to smear the ASA for accepting
"anonymous" complaints. They were caught, at the very least,
misleading the public, but no contrition. People have respect for individuals
and companies with integrity - they accept that they dont get it from
politicians
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Authored by: david_koontz on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 01:11 AM EDT |
I think Mr. Kieran O'Shaughnessy may be upset because he has no takers in
Australia or New Zealand. I wonder if any SCOSource licenses in either country
were actually free riders on something else actually paid for?
At least he isn't going on about millions of lines of code and the flaunting
briefcases and the like.
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 01:12 AM EDT |
Here we have SCO saying IBM *stole* SCO's code (he says it more than once in the
article)
And in court, we have SCO saying: We never alleged IBM infringed our copyrights
(stole our code). Our only claim is IBM did something they shouldn't with IBM's
own code.
Quatermass
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- Yes, I caught this too! - Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 01:42 AM EDT
- Well, it was someone elses turn ... - Authored by: Franki on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 02:33 AM EDT
- PJ you missed the most important point! - Authored by: marbux on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 04:01 AM EDT
- Slander? - Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 09:53 AM EDT
- PJ you missed the most important point! - Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 11:59 AM EDT
- Does it matter who says it and where? - Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 12:25 PM EDT
- PJ you missed the most important point! - Authored by: midav on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 01:03 PM EDT
- Par for the course... - Authored by: DebianUser on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 06:48 PM EDT
- If LInux does not exist , IBM did not give Linux anything - Authored by: rharvey46 on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 07:56 PM EDT
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Authored by: NastyGuns on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 01:14 AM EDT |
OT comments and links here please. --- NastyGuns,
"If I'm not here, I've gone out to find myself. If I return before I get back,
please keep me here." Unknown. [ Reply to This | # ]
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- Reading Groklaw. Marking unread posts ? - Authored by: gibodean on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 03:33 AM EDT
- There is no spoon - Authored by: jbb on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 05:54 AM EDT
- A small history lesson..... - Authored by: cpw on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 09:11 AM EDT
- Turku, Finland _not_ going to Linux - Authored by: macrorodent on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 10:05 AM EDT
- Windows XP SP2 "security crater" on Slashdot,eWeek, PC Magazine - Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 10:54 AM EDT
- In Related News..... - Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 12:09 PM EDT
- KDE aims for Google-like search - Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 01:02 PM EDT
- OT Comments Here - Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 05:34 PM EDT
- OT Comments Here - Authored by: bpmann on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 06:16 PM EDT
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 01:24 AM EDT |
hink that will show up as an exhibit in a SCO filing someday
"proving" that Linux is an
unlicensed version of Unix and
everyone knows it? Me, too. I just am in awe how SCO
plants stories, then quotes them in the court filings as proof. But never
fear, when it
happens, those IBM knights will come
galloping onto the field, lances at the ready, with
banners
fluttering in the wind, that say, "You need some facts to win in a court of
law,
thou doofus." And "Where's the
beef?
I was just having another glance over IBM-206 (SCO's
opposition to IBM PSJ on CC10)
There's truly spectacular one that leapt
out of the page: SCO says there is no mechanism in Linux to screen for
intellectual property infringements
Their evidence?
1. Sontag
apparently stated that opinion, based on unnamed reliable sources, in paragraph
57 of his affidavit. (read point 2 and you can guess what they
are)
And
2. An article in Fortune Magazine. Of course they
don't mention what the article in Fortune Magazine is.... Perhaps because it's
an interview with Darl McBride!
So, SCO's entire proof of
this assertion, once you cut out the Fortune magazine middleman, is Darl McBride
said so, and Sontag picked up on it!
I'm sure there are plenty more
of this type of thing (in fact I recall reading some in there)
I
simply can not understand how they ever possibly could have even thought this
would admissable evidence.
Quatermass IANAL IMHO etc
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Authored by: Drizzx on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 01:37 AM EDT |
Reading Kieran comments, I couldnt help but think of the Iraqi Information
Minister.
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 01:50 AM EDT |
What exactly does it mean to "break your duck"? [ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: mscibing on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 02:19 AM EDT |
I remember that ad or at least a similar one. And the hardware wasn't just
"different", but the computers were difference classes of machines suitable for
very different applications.
"The results showed that IBM z900
mainframe running Linux is much less capable and vastly more expensive than
Windows Server 2003 as a platform for server consolidation."
Ok,
that must have been a different ad. Because that statement is an outright lie.
The IBM z900 mainframe is much more capable when it comes to running many sites
on one machine. It has a higher bandwith than a dual xeon machine. I'm sure it
will have a higher disk IO bandwith, more memory, and "can host tens to hundreds
of Linux images". I'm not terribly familiar with these machines, but I don't
have to be to know they are much more not less capeable than dual Xeon
machines. They are also vastly more expensive than dual Xeon machines; that is
the price for the capability. Now perhaps an individual linux image on that
machine is less capable than a dual Xeon (I wouldn't know). But again, such an
image is suitable for different serving applications, and depending on the
application it won't (I'm sure) necessarily cost more than a dual Xeon
machine.
I'm glad Microsoft got slapped down for this one. I'm not sure
the ad helped them before anyway; it undoubtedly cost them credibility among
anyone who did a web search for z900. [ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 02:19 AM EDT |
Had a chat to the guy on the phone when this whole thing started. When we got to
the point of "can you tell me exactly what's infringing", he hung up
on me. Nice.
So, Linux doesn't exist? Good to know. I've been running hot air so far. Oh,
sorry, no. An "unlicensed" version of Unix. How rude of me.
Kieran, same advice as before, mate. Find yourself a real job and ditch those
SCO losers. You'll thank me later, trust me.[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: GrueMaster on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 02:30 AM EDT |
There was something missing in the SCO booth in the picture, so I browesed
through the gallery to see if there was further evidence. Other than 60+
pictures of party goers, there was a couple of other pictures that go with the
one linked above, and they show the same thing:
Where's the crowd of people gathering information from the booth?
Oh, there they are, in IBM's booth. They must have stolen them too (or maybe
they didn't exist in the first place)?[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: british on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 02:31 AM EDT |
LOL M$ still have the survey on their get the FUD site
http://www.microsoft.com/uk/getthefacts/default.mspx
2nd one down titled
Windows Server 2003 Far Less Expensive to Operate Than Linux Mainframe
They
can't show real cost savings so now they resort to comparing apples to oranges
or in this case maybe a VW beetle to a tank and comming to the startling
conclusion that the tank is more expensive and the VW has a higher top speed :).
I think M$ have well and truly lost the FUD campaign with this sort of
stuff. --- Lee Welburn [ Reply to This | # ]
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- Its like comparing...... - Authored by: Franki on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 02:53 AM EDT
- gettefud.com - Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 03:41 AM EDT
- M$ still using dodgy study - Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 04:53 AM EDT
- M$ still using dodgy study - Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 08:21 AM EDT
- This isn't even Apples & Oranges... - Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 08:31 AM EDT
- Stay out of the way of the tank. - Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 08:46 AM EDT
- M$ no longer up-and coming, young company - Authored by: llanitedave on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 10:54 AM EDT
- M$ still using dodgy study - Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 02:54 PM EDT
- This just in... - Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 07:56 PM EDT
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Authored by: Mark_Edwards on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 02:33 AM EDT |
One of SCO's latest declarations is from a "Barbara
Howe". A quick search on the web seems to indicate Barbara
was an ex-employee of Caldera/SCO and has been involved
with unix since 1980. Her CV is online here
http://www.geocities.com/howe_barb/howe_resume.html
Anyway you may find of interest what Barbara is doing
now! (hope she isn't using any of SCO's methods etc. when
doing this conversion. After all SCO's next victim could
be citigroup!?)
"Citigroup, Senior Technical Specialist
2003 - present
XENV and Hermes: Technical lead for team doing new feature
development and end-user support of global, distributed
cross environment framework (XENV). Planning and
directing migration of XENV from Solaris to Linux.
Addressing policy, requirements, and implementation
issues for both XENV and Hermes, Citigroup's internal
production build and archival system. Developing new
security features for Hermes, encompassing Java, SQL,
Perl, and KSH scripts. Training new team members.
Documenting and automating manual support procedures.
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Authored by: Peter Smith on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 02:35 AM EDT |
I expect MS to lie, manipulate, cheat and distort. After all this has been shown
to be inherent in their corporate culture.
But it is truly shocking that a group like Meta should paticipate in such a
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Authored by: inode_buddha on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 02:42 AM EDT |
(In a very cynical mood) I *hope* the IP mongers get everything they ever
wanted, because they can all be John Galt and they could all make the world
stop turning (regardless of whether they actually *should* do so:) The wheel
gets patented in AU, and the US wants a Trade Agreement. Of course, Linux
doesn't exist, either. That's why we have so much controversy,
right? --- "When we speak of free software, we are referring to freedom,
not price." -- Richard M. Stallman [ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: gibodean on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 02:51 AM EDT |
That website [www.ece.ualberta.ca] seems to be suffering from the groklaw
effect.
Does anyone have a mirror for that picture PJ links to ?[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 02:55 AM EDT |
"It took us 25 years to build our business and it took [IBM] four years
simply by stealing code and then giving it away free."
Also the "everybody knows..." part.
Is this not something IBM can sue them about? If I came out and said xxxxsoft
stole my code (and I didn't have proof) I would expect them to sue me. [ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: JR on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 03:04 AM EDT |
From the article:
<<"But there is support from the people who really matter, our
customers and partners. Sure, there is concern about sales but if you go back to
1999 our revenues were in excess of $US250 million and today they are up by $40
million," O'Shaughnessy said. >>
Ok, so that $250 Million in revenues in 1999... Is this:
a) Caldera's Linux (inexistent then too I guess) revenues for 1999?,
b) The Santa Cruz Operation revenues (currently Tarantella)??, or
c) The revenues of the business unit that Caldera bough from Santa Cruz
Operations ???
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 03:07 AM EDT |
Would you like to see a real study of open source TCO that *wasn't* funded
by Microsoft? OK. Here.
Unfortunately this report costs 1490.00
whatevers, euro I assume, so it is going to be well out of the reach of those
smaller operators who would benefit from it the most.
Howard. [ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: smoats3D on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 03:12 AM EDT |
Guess someone forgot to tell him what the L in GPL stands for. No worry,
though. After IBM's PSJs are ruled upon, SCO should know all about the GPL.
(By the way PJ, you're middle name wouldn't happen to be Sara, or Susan, or
Stella, or something would it?)[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: muswell100 on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 03:14 AM EDT |
This is a message for the Cyberguard crowd - and for SCO - if you're watching
this space at all:
I would like to congrantulate Cyberguard on their wise move to finally dump SCO
Unix from the core of their firewall product. It will only do you good in the
long run.
Co-incidentally, I was recently evaluating firewalls for my own company in
preparation for an upgrade and immediately removed Cyberguard from the equation
once I found out it was running on SCO. The reason I and my boss gave to the
board was that it wasn't worth the risk of litigation (or of finding ourselves
with an unsupported product once SCO went bust) to go with this offering. In
other respects, Cyberguard had a pretty good looking system - it's switch to
Linux will only augment it's functionality and certainly will make it a more
appealing (ie: far less risky in legal terms) product to it's customers. Well
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Authored by: darkonc on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 04:27 AM EDT |
Let's take this idea and run with it for awhile.
There definitely is no
The Linux.
Like Human rights,
Linux is an invocation -- an
evocation of the community -- the communities --
that bring it into existence.
For each of those communities, and even
for different people within those
communities, Linux appears differently.
Linux is those communities
themselves.
Linux is a tool, an idea, a Future, a threat, a hobby a toy and
a livelihood a dream and a nightmare.
It is all of these, and it is none of
these, and it is much much more.
Linux's invocation will continue as long as we
work on it, and defend it and fight for it.
Linux's invocation will exist
as long as we care for it, feed it, nurture it
and defend it. If and when we
cease to do so, then Linux's invocation
will fade as well.
So, perhaps
Kieran is right, and Linux doesn't exist. And, if so, perhaps
we should keep it
that way.
--- Powerful, committed communication. Touching the jewel within
each person and bringing it to life.. [ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 04:38 AM EDT |
"IBM has transformed Linux from a bicycle to a Rolls-Royce, making it
*almost* an enterprise-class operating system."
(emphasis added)
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So, this is a new round of FUD -- to claim that GNU/Linux is NOT an
enterprise-level system, or else what is this 'almost' here for?
Similarly, is Rolls-Royce not an enterprise-level car? Does it mean that R.R. is
embracing Linux too, and SCO can't tolerate this?[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 04:56 AM EDT |
It tells a lot to see everyone at the IBM booth, and some guy dozing off at
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 05:16 AM EDT |
"O'Shaughnessy foreshadowed a significant shift in SCO's focus
over the next 12 months pointing out that selling intellectual property (IP)
licences is no longer a priority."
I guess SCOG did heed
Baystar's advice and is making a concerted litigation effort, while abandoning
it's licensing scam. I wonder if this is the salve that settled the recent
ruffle between the two...
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Authored by: k9 on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 05:40 AM EDT |
MS won their two previous ASA ajudications, one on uptime figures and one on the
power of the XBox. They won't be happy about being found guilty of misleading
advertising. It puts them amongst the ranks of the snake-oil peddlers who
regularly fall afoul of the ASA.
So I imagine whoever in Marketing/PR passed this one as OK will have some
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Authored by: Khym Chanur on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 05:42 AM EDT |
Since IBM has accused SCO of copyright infringement in a PSJ, SCO is going to
bring up their "GPL is invalid" nonsense. Now, can they just say "the GPL is
invalid, but we need time/depositions to put together our case for that, so
delay this part of the case for a while"? Or must they say why it's
invalid now? --- Give a man a match, and he'll be warm for a
minute, but set him on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
(Paraphrased from Terry Pratchett) [ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: micheal on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 05:58 AM EDT |
Reminds me of the poem
As I was going down the stair,
I saw a man who wasn't there
He wasn't there again today,
I wish, I wish he'd go away!
Anon.
---
LeRoy -
What a wonderful day.[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 06:05 AM EDT |
[...] "O'Shaughnessy said he's confident the public hysteria will subside
over the next six months as "the truth unfolds" and SCO's adds "meat to the bare
bones of the case" allowing commentators to get a different view of the
facts."
This reminds me of a conspiracy kook I saw on TV once. I
forget what her conspiracy was all about, maybe it was that aliens had built the
pyramids or something. When the interviewer asked her where the evidence was,
she replied with: "You must have patience. It will all become clear in the
future."
SCO had better hurry up with the "meat", I suspect the
judge's patience is wearing thin. Also, I suspect that like all good conspiracy
kooks, the folks at SCO will not stop ranting after they lose this case.[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: MikeA on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 06:16 AM EDT |
Tomorrow Chris Sontag will state that:
"Kieran O'Shaughnessy doesn't work
for SCO any more, but he might be doing some consulting now. Anyway, do you know
silly it is to claim that 'Linux doesn't exist'? That should have been
somebody's first clue."
:P
--- "You need some facts to win in
a court of law, thou doofus." - The Knights of Armonk (Translation by PJ) [ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: micheal on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 06:48 AM EDT |
AS far as I can tell the numbers quoted in the article refer to revenue not
units. It is not clear if the cost of the hardware is included in the numbers.
It is not clear if a copy (free or otherwise) of Linux is installed on a
separtely acquired new or existing server if that installation is included in
the numbers. Another impact is the possibility that Linux can give the same
performance on cheaper hardware compared to the competition.
My reading is that the numbers include only new servers bundled with the OS.
---
LeRoy -
What a wonderful day.[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: blacklight on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 07:14 AM EDT |
Kieran O'Shaughnessy says that SCOG is going to win in the courts? May be he
mixed up the invincible IBM legal team with the highly vincible SCOG legal team.
His statement that IBM stole code from SCOG is dated, but probably fresh enough
to get SCOG slapped with a suit for slander/libel (He said it it so that's
slander, and it was reported in writing so it's libel). I won't even comment on
his assertion that "everybody knows that Linux is an unlicensed version of
UNUX", except that the word "everybody" must exclude everybody
but SCOG, ADTI, Rob the Shillmeister. Do I think of SCOG as the
"anti-Schrist of Cyberspace?" Hardly. I had some of the more obnoxious
six-legged creatures that fly, walk and crawl in mind. [ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 07:44 AM EDT |
Discussing the most normal of the SCOFolk, is sort of like discussing the most
experienced of pre-schoolers, or the most ethical of mafia hitmen.
But I've always considered Kieran O'Shaughnessy to be about the least normal,
even among scox speakers. Frankly, I wonder if the guy isn't mentally ill.
This is not the first scox press release where O'Shaughnessy does little more
than make a long series of "night is day" type statements. Even Darl
and Sontag often have a tiny bit of cleverness to their lies.
O'Shaughnessy reminds me of the old John Levitz pathological liar chacter.
O'Shaughnessy open his mouth, and lies come out. And not just any lies, but the
most outright, blantant, obvious lies, imaginable. O'Shaughnessy, it seems, has
always been like this, and he actually expect people to believe him.[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: k9 on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 07:45 AM EDT |
The ad was the computer equivalent of comparing two brands of gasoline by
putting one in a Hummer and the other in a
Mini, then implying that the fuel economy figures thus obtained prove that
the gas put in the Mini would run all vehicles more cost-effectively.
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Authored by: belboz on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 07:48 AM EDT |
I have a question for you US legal experts.
What happens to the case(s), if the SCOG cash is spent, and the file for
bankrupcy?
- Will the case(s) be cancelled, since one of the parties no longer exist as a
legal entity (and can't afford lawyer fees)?
- If so, does that save people involved from following suits (purgery, Lanham
act, slander, ...), since, as the case is left unfinished, any wrongdoing has
not been judged/proved?
There will probably be an investor suit, but that is besides the issue.
Or will free counsil be provided to complete the legal process?
---
Henrik (obviously non-US and non-lawyer)[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: icebarron on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 07:53 AM EDT |
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Yes it does exist, despite the hand waving to the contrary...
Peace to one and all
Dan[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 07:54 AM EDT |
"Linux doesn't exist. Everyone knows Linux is an unlicensed version of
Unix," he added.
I understand what type of spin he is putting on it. But it would be akin to
saying that XYZ Operating System was 100% Microsoft Compatible because XYZ OS
was simply MS Windows with all references to Microsoft replaced with XYZ Corp
and rebranded XYZ OS.
And that is not the case with Linux. Not even close. Heck. With the way Linux is
made and created, what he said would even be akin to saying all
"Unixes" belong to them. Well SCO certainly does not own BSD, which is
very "Unix" like. So Linux can too be similar to Unix and not be Unix
and not owned by SCO.
Copyright and contract law is not going to save SCO. They would have to rely on
court-proven patents (owning the Unix-like process and method) to do what they
want copyrights to do. Correct me if I am wrong, but no one owns that. That is
why Microsoft feels it needs to build up "any" kind of patent
portfolio, to try to get an edge on this murky area of patent law.
SCO: "ALL YOU UNIX ARE BELONG TO US"[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 08:16 AM EDT |
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1639742,00.asp
According to Blake Stowell, communications director at Lindon, Utah-based The
SCO Group Inc., "BayStar requested the $13 million and the 2,105,263 shares
of SCO common stock certificates SCO owed BayStar for its $40 million worth of
Series A-1 shares within the last 48 hours, and SCO has sent it, which confirms
the deal we had announced on July 23."
Since their spat over whether the deal had closed or not, both companies have
been silent about the matter until Wednesday's announcement. According to
Stowell, "No talks were held between the two companies. It was business as
usual. From SCO and the SEC's viewpoint, the deal was a done deal. All that
happened was that the transfer of cash and stock that could have been done on
July 23 was done on Aug. 24."
system5
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 08:24 AM EDT |
"It took us 25 years to build our business and it took [IBM] four years
simply by stealing code and then giving it away free."
Emmmm ..... now who can tell me where the Caldera connection fits in? It seems
to me that SCOG all to often forget their own history. Who can take this lot
seriously?
There's only one reason why Linux is gaining more and more market share -
esspecially when compared with UnixWare - its simply a better O/S.[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: belzecue on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 08:24 AM EDT |
... no biggie, I suppose, since nobody visits their investor relations site
anymore. But you think, out of professional pride, they would fix the bad links
coded on this page since... well, since I mentioned it here on groklaw many
weeks ago...
http://ir.sco.com/
Look on the right under:
RELATED TOPICS
- Company Profile <http://http://www.sco.com/company/profile.html>
- Executive and Board Biographies
<http://http://www.sco.com/company/execs/>
- Company Press Kit <http://http://www.sco.com/company/presskit/>
- Recent Headlines <http://http://www.sco.com/company/news/>[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Nick_UK on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 08:27 AM EDT |
I reckon that SCO guy is playing solitaire on Windows
eXtra
Problems (Some more
Problems T(w)oo!).
Great stuff Pamela - it gets better every day :D
Nick [ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 08:34 AM EDT |
Facetious persons might be briefly amused by the surname
of the reporter's by
line at
Comp
uter World AU.
--
AC[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: CustomDesigned on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 08:37 AM EDT |
Y'all were too busy laughing over "Linux does not exist" to notice the
whopper in the next sentence.[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 08:38 AM EDT |
I'm surprised that SCO's lawyers let anyone of the loose cannons over there
speak anymore. Everytime someone @ SCO opens their mouth, incoherence falls out
in abundance.
Where's the Board of Directors in all this? I suspect that they're not as
amused as I am by the buffoons who seem to be running the show @ SCO.
Mason059[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 08:53 AM EDT |
If SCO can't win the PR war when it is the only one doing all
the talking...
PJ, you are too cruel :)[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Steve Martin on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 08:54 AM EDT |
From
Comp
uterworld:
Linux is no threat to Microsoft and any claims to
the contrary are simply a misconception created by sensationalism and media
hype, Microsoft Australia's platform strategy manager Paul Roworth said on
Wednesday.
Linux, he said, receives far too much publicity because the
truth is that Linux is not challenging Microsoft's leadership position in the
marketplace.
Really? I guess the
Linux
Beacon story reporting Gartner figures showing Linux server "sales up 57.3
percent and shipments up 69.7 percent" is nothing to worry about,
right?
Gee... Someone better tell Steve Ballmer that Linux is
not "
threat No. 1"
anymore.
--- "When I say something, I put my name next to it." --
Isaac Jaffee, "Sports Night" [ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 08:56 AM EDT |
Date: 15:37:38 Thu 26-Aug-2004 +0800
From: Leon Brooks
<leon@cyberknights.c-o-m.a-u>
Organisation: CyberKnights
- modern tools,
traditional dedication
To:
howard_dahdah@idg.c-o-m.a-u
CC: sandra_rossi@idg.c-o-m.a-u,
letters@lwn.n-e-t
Subject: Please forward this to Sandra Rossi
(if
I guessed the email address wrong)
...and/or make it a
letter-to-editor.
From
http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index.php/id;97798672;fp;2;fpid;1
It took us 25 years to build our business
and it took [IBM]
four years simply by stealing code and
then giving it away
free.
I'm pretty sure Kieran only does this for the
sensation
value, but this particular piece of hyper-chutzpah needs
to be
answered.
- Linux was and is an enterprise-class
piece of software, even if you completely delete IBM's
contributions to it;
- IBM didn't steal anything, they wrote their own
software, adapted one
copy of it for OS/2, another for
Monterey, and later the OS/2 version of it
again for
Linux;
- The SCO Group have in fact been distributing circa
700,000 lines of IBM-written code without a licence to do
so, since at least
the time they denounced the GPL until
the 4th of August this year and
possibly later;
- Unlike The SCO Group's claims, the code stolen from
IBM is not vapourware, it is in fact listed in exquisite
detail in the court
documents recently filed;
- IBM have not given away any code to Linux, they
still
own it; what they have done is licenced others to use the
code that
they wrote and own at no charge through the GPL;
- IBM are required to use
the GPL licence if they wish
to modify Linux itself - as they have;
- There is no "us", the real Santa Cruz Operation is now
called
Tarantella, with their name and a few of their
programmers essentially
hijacked by a decapitated Caldera.
Neither Darl, Blake nor Kieran oversaw
*any* of the core
development of any original Unix, let alone AT&T's
derivative;
- SCO Unix is no longer an anterprise-class software
system; since their disclaimer of the GPL, the very
software which allowed
UnixWare to stay within shouting
distance of modern software trends is no
longer available
to them.
Early this year,
O'Shaughnessy warned that
SCO had prepared a hit list and would approach
Australian
Linux users to ensure they had an IP
licence.
This is illegal, and since SCO-ANZ hasn't followed up
on it, I guess
Kieran knows that. So why is he raising
that empty threat again? Every time
he does so he opens
himself to a fresh count of fraud.
"Linux doesn't exist. Everyone knows Linux
is an unlicensed
version of Unix," he
added.
Odd, then, that
none of the expert testimony
remaining in the case, and none of
the expert
testimony Ken Brown of the Alexis de Tocqueville Institute
tried to raise along the same lines supports that claim.
Even odder that
all of the non-hearsay testimony in
both places supports the
opposite stance.
It's also worth considering in particular some of
the
expert testimony submitted recently by IBM, from the
people actually
involved in AT&T's original licence of
Unix to IBM, all of which says
that The SCO Group has no
case.
I don't need to defend IBM, they have
their own lawyers
and PR section for that, but Kieran and his company are
essentially accusing all of the contributors to and
deployers of Linux of
stealing. Since those claims are
baseless, continuing to make them amounts to
slander and
in some cases fraud against the Linux community, including
me.
The only reason Kieran hasn't had a court order tossed
at his feet is
because as an individual developer, I can't
afford to do that and defend
myself against the inevitable
legal consequences.
If you want to know
how The SCO Group's economics are
supposed to work, you only need to read
some of Darl's
early statements. What he wants to do is turn a free road,
built by others, into a toll road (all tolls payable, of
course, to The SCO
Group and eventually Darl). Another
word for this business model is
"highwayman".
Cheers; Leon
--
http://cyberknights.com.au/
Modern tools;
traditional dedication
http://plug.linux.org.au/
Vice
President, Perth
Linux User Group
http://osia.net.au/
Member, Open Source
Industry
Australia
http://slpwa.asn.au/
Member, Linux
Professionals
WA
http://linux.org.au/
Member, Linux
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 08:59 AM EDT |
What all the lawsuits about then? And the SCOsource license, wasn't that about
Linux as well? I guess I don't need to pay them any license fees, if they come
after me...[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 09:27 AM EDT |
(Putting on my cynical hat...)
``A Comparison of Open
Source and Proprietary Software," reports that when you take Microsoft's thumb
off the scale, Linux not only exists, it's cheaper, and the larger your company,
the more you can save (because you likely already have Linux gurus on the
payroll)''
I don't doubt for a second that this analyst's
results are true. What I doubt is that any company beyond a certain size would
a) know that they have Linux gurus in their ranks and b) would listen to their
thoughts on whether Linux is more cost effective.
Large companies routinely
fail to ask their employees, let alone listen to them, about matters such as
what technology direction should the company take. (Makes one wonder if that
ignoring your line staff is the first thing they trach is Business Admin 101.)
Why else would the major accounting firms have huge technology consulting arms?
And guess who these consulting groups wind up being partnered with? My employer
brought in one of these groups and every single recommendation they made,
software as well as hardware, turned out to be a product from a company that
they were partnered with. And the CFO ate it up. Oh, and people at the corporate
office have been evaluating whether Linux is a viable product for use within the
company for going on six years.
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Authored by: techgrrl on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 10:04 AM EDT |
I just got back from a Gartner Briefing. (Large companies have large
checkbooks, and we have one of those large contracts with Gartner...)
Anyway, they were enthusiastic about Linux, gave two thumbs up on deploying it
across the enterprise, with caveats that the desktop bennies weren't there
yet...
I will say, since Gartner has a reputation for favoring MSoft, they presented a
very balanced picture. They pooh-poohed the whole Sco thing, and made it clear
that TCO was very dependent on the nature of the enterprise. Large vs. small,
ISP vs. general purpose corporation with lots of legacy apps, etc.
Which is why I always roll my eyes listening to the "Tastes Great"
"Less Filling'" arguement about TCO. I manage 400 Windows servers and
400 Unix servers in a 7x24x365 environment....TCO has a LOT of nuances to it.
For now, I'm looking to replace expensive Sun and HP boxes with cheaper Intel
Boxes running Linux. And buying management tools that will let me manage both
the Linux and the Windows stuff from a single pane of glass.
One thing the parent corporation did after a bad Blaster outbreak last year was
immediately replace the Windows DNS and DHCP servers with Linux boxes. We are
also looking at alternative browsers, and have been telling all the web
developers to steer clear of any IE specific code, since there's no guarantee
that we'll be using IE in the future.
---
Reality is for those who can't handle science fiction[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Jaywalk on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 10:05 AM EDT |
Linux isn't really a viable challenger to Microsoft. That's all in
your mind. "Linux is no threat to Microsoft and any claims to the contrary are
simply a misconception created by sensationalism and media hype..." Linux gets
too much publicity, he says. Gee, somebody better tell these guys. I
guess they didn't get the memo.--- ===== Murphy's Law is recursive.
===== [ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: dopple on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 10:06 AM EDT |
"IBM has transformed Linux from a bicycle to a Rolls-Royce, making it almost
an enterprise-class operating system."
Could it be possible to
insult a larger number of people in more ways in one sentence than this? I
mean, it's insulting IBM, all the Linux developers, Rolls-Royce, and every
business that uses Linux.. and that's before even reaching the next sentence
with its claim that the code in Linux was stolen![ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: geom on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 10:10 AM EDT |
"Finally, here's a very funny picture for you, a snapshot taken at HPWorld,
where SCO and IBM booths were inexplicably placed right next to each
other."
Also note how many peole are at each booth. I can just hear them saying:
"SCO? Who are they?"[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 10:15 AM EDT |
Since we know SCO to lie, even in court documents, and we see them say in the
same breath that Linux does not exist and we know it does, and in that same
breath they say they are not the antichrist, I can only conclude...
They are the antichrist...err...or at least those minions so idiotic they were
voted out of the abyss by competent evil.
-skelter[ Reply to This | # ]
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- Ummm... no. - Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 12:45 PM EDT
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Authored by: rsteinmetz70112 on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 10:19 AM EDT |
Since Kieran O'Shaughnessy is director of SCOG Australia and NZ is there some
action which could be taken either by individuals or the governments in those
countries against SCOG or at least make him prove his claims?
In the US someone would probably have to take him to court although the FTC has
authority over false and misleading advertising claims.
In England I understand the barriers to slander and libel action are much lower
than in the US because they don't have that pesky First Amendment thing.
I wonder if the situation in Australia and New Zealand is similar of if as in
Germany an injunction can be granted easily?
---
Rsteinmetz
"I could be wrong now, but I don't think so."[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 11:13 AM EDT |
I see from the picture you referenced, Darl really aged over the last few
months, and sported a beard.[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonomous on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 11:28 AM EDT |
It took us 25 years to build our business and it took [IBM] four years simply
by stealing code and then giving it away free.
This is one of those
marvelously delicious utterances that contains not a grain of truth on any level
of analysis. You actually have to break it down to single words before you find
anything that is not a lie.
Eg. "It took us 25 years": lie, SCO hasn't been
building its current business for 25 years.
"It took us": lie, current
leaders of SCO ("us") did not contribute to any business building
activity.
"It took": lie, implies effort, but existence and composition of
current SCO is largely an accident.
"took us": lie, the leadership of SCO
has substantially and effectively changed.
"It": a single word cannot be a
lie.
"took": could be true in certain contexts.
"us": could be true in
certain contexts, ie. when speaking only of the activities of the current
leadership of SCO.
"25 years": lie, SCO is not 25 years old.
"25": a
single number cannot be a lie, although it can be irrelevant.
"years": could
be true in certain contexts.
...etc.
-Anonomous. [ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: rongage on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 12:00 PM EDT |
Forgive my mis-understanding, but isn't this gentleman located in Australia?
Doesn't Australia have some fairly strict laws regarding commercial advertising
or some such...
If my rusty brain recalls correctly, the "policing" org
is called A.C.C.C or something simular to that.
Can any Australian's help
me out here? --- Ron Gage - Linux Consultant
LPI1, MCP, A+, NET+
Pontiac, Michigan [ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 12:16 PM EDT |
I wouldn't doubt that the relative complexity of a lot of OSS software such as
Linux, the lower numbers of qualified support people, the fact that M$ does it's
very best to make all it's products idiot proof, and the money and effort that
they will put in to make sure their "valuable" customers use their
products exclusively can make M$ products look like a better value in the short
term, say over 2-5 years.
But what about the long-term effects of OSS solutions? What will the situation
look like 10, 15, 20 years down the line after the company has finished adapting
to the new systems, trained it's staff, and developed qualified internal
support? How will the bottom line look without two decades of paying out the
nose for new versions of Windows or Office that do little more than add a few
bells and whistles, while at the same time adding new bugs, arbitrary format
changes, and other headaches? How about 15 years of not having their servers
going down or needing rebooting every two weeks, or a decade or so without the
worry of viruses and trojans infecting the LAN? How does the Open Source
solution look now, huh?
How the TCO looks over long time frames is one thing that I've rarely seen
mentioned in comparisons of M$ vs. OSS. I think we really need to emphasize to
organizations considering their alternatives that they need to look at not just
the migration costs or the initial difficulties in adapting to a new system, but
at the *long-term* benefits, in licence fees, maintenance, uptime, and problem
solving that truly reflect the "total cost of ownership" involved. It
seems to me to be a stronger way to illustrate the true value of OSS software.
Comments, anyone?
BTW, the TCO comparison PJ references looks really interesting. I'd really like
to read the complete study, but unfortunately it looks like you have to pay to
see it in full. What's really needed are more studies in the public domain for
everyone to see and to counteract M$ FUD.
---
m(_ _)m[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 01:01 PM EDT |
"I boot, therefore I am!"...
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 01:54 PM EDT |
IBM: You have no evidence of any copyright infringements in Linux (CC10)
SCO: Linux Doesn't Exist! Linux Doesn't Exist! Linux Doesn't Exist! Linux
Doesn't Exist!
IBM: You have no evidence that we breached any contract by contributing to
Linux
SCO: Linux Doesn't Exist! Linux Doesn't Exist! Linux Doesn't Exist! Linux
Doesn't Exist!
IBM: You stole 783,000 lines of _our_ code in Linux
SCO: Linux Doesn't Exist! Linux Doesn't Exist! Linux Doesn't Exist! Linux
Doesn't Exist!
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 01:58 PM EDT |
just you wait and see! :) [ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Scriptwriter on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 02:22 PM EDT |
I wouldn't call it poetry. It's barely doggerel. But hey. Take it for what it's
worth.
There's no such thing as Linux
That fills me with dismay
It must be an illusion
What I sit and do all day
I can't be running Firefox
When I do my web exploring,
I can't be playing Pysol --
Gee, my life is rather boring.
There's no such thing as Linux
And therefore, I would fear,
I've wasted gobs of time
Upon a thing that isn't here.
Those web streams that I listen to
From varied types of stations
Apparently are only
Auditory hallucinations.
There's no such thing as Linux?
It makes me wonder how
This program I'm compiling
Runs through gcc right now.
I'm not sure whether
My OS exists or not,
But either way it's better
Than what Microsoft has got.
There's no such thing as Linux?
Please say it isn't true!
If I can't play with my penguin
I don't know what I'll do.
But as I sit and ponder
There is one thing that I know:
It won't be very long until
There's no such thing as SCO.
---
Don't it always seem to go that you never know what you've got 'til it's gone?
RIP Mike "Moogy" Tuxford 1952-2004
irc.fdfnet.net #groklaw[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: HenchmenResource on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 02:27 PM EDT |
I got the pleasure of reading both these articles before
my daily Groklaw read and I was happy to see the post
here, but while reading these articles all I could hear
was:<p>
"These are not the droids you are looking for" (wave of
hand)<p>
I guess when the burden of proof gets to heavy you got to
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Authored by: cheros on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 03:04 PM EDT |
Here goes:
(1) MS announced loudly that it has trounced Linux in Newham, UK by allegedly
being cheaper (I'm going to side step the research quality debate for the moment
;-).
(2) Linux was compared to Microsoft, and the bid was won by Microsoft BY
LOWERING THEIR PRICES.
The nature of this victory has a rather unfortunate side effect for Microsoft:
it has just proved conclusively that it is ALWAYS worth examining Linux when
planning large IT projects: Linux sets the price range which Microsoft then has
to beat to win the bid, if at all prossible (I'm assuming only a cost comparison
here).
So, what the Newham victory has really done is ensuring that Microsoft will now
always have to battle with a Linux comparison, simply because Linux deployment
will either prove cheaper or provide a powerful level to get Microsoft to lower
its prices.
In conclusion, it has proved in two different ways that Linux will always save
you money, which I can't imagine to be quite the message Microsoft wanted to get
out.
But we'll promise to keep it quiet, won't we?
;-).
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Authored by: blacklight on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 03:18 PM EDT |
"Tired of being portrayed as the bad guys of IT, Kieran O'Shaughnessy,
director of SCO Australia and NZ, last week declared "we are not the
anti-Christ of cyberspace"" eeWek
The Belzeboobs of cyberspace say: "We are not Belzebub" - to which my
retort is "It's not as if you guys weren't trying really hard ..."[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: stef70 on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 03:33 PM EDT |
See http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2004-08-26-023-26-NW-BZ-MS
And that comes from Microsoft NZ (the same NZ as in SCO Australia & NZ).
I think that this is the typical australian response to a threat as shown by
this image:
http://fbma.tuwien.ac.at/~e9325658/pngs/ostrich.png
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Authored by: mobrien_12 on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 05:00 PM EDT |
Don't forget, PJ, that according to Darl there are all sorts of IBM
"agents" running around and ruining SCO's reputation.
Do you think that includes us?[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 05:05 PM EDT |
I'm struck by how similar the O'Shaughnessy's
verbage is to the line that SCO
was spouting a year
ago, but which has been toned down somewhat
as heard from
most SCO quarters these days.
To me, if feels like the guy went to sleep
a
year ago (after reading the SCO propaganda
bulletin of the day), and he just
woke up.
Is something like this possible? How does this interview
square
with what he has been saying for the last year?
Is there a chance that
the reporter just discovered
notes from a year old interview that she hadn't
published?
Wally Bass
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- deja vu - Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 08:32 PM EDT
- O'Shaughnessy is a SCOdroid - Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 08:46 PM EDT
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 26 2004 @ 07:35 PM EDT |
This fellows's crazy fellow's claims make me happy. It is not just that they are
clearly wrong, but that the overwhelming majority of people who read the story
will judge them as clearly wrong.
What this says to me is that Microsoft is getting desperate. None of their
arguments against Linux are working, so they are just thrashing around making
extreme statements that even they themselves know no one will believe. In doing
so, they just further damage their credibility in the eyes of the world. [ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 27 2004 @ 06:16 AM EDT |
Last month, a publisher friend of mine asked me to write another article for his
magazine. He needed a couple extra pages to fill, and I said that I'd see what
I could come up with.
Two days later, this month's issue came out, with the
"Get the Facts" ad in it. I immediately told him that I will not have my name
in a magazine with that ad. I have no objection to other Microsoft ads, but I
will not be a part of anything that promotes such lies. He looked into the
matter and said that Microsoft has already paid for the same ad next issue, so
he regrets that my article cannot be used.
Will my personal protest make any
difference? Probably not. But at least I can live with myself for not
accepting any portion of the "Get the Facts" money game. [ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 27 2004 @ 06:19 PM EDT |
Is O'Shaughnessy vying to be the next Iraqi Minister of Information? I just
don't get it - these MBA types are suppose to have at least a smattering of
intelligence, right? Listening to O'Shaughnessy-speak reminds me of Saturday
Night Live in the 80s and the Bizzaro-world skits. [ Reply to This | # ]
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- Puppets - Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 27 2004 @ 07:34 PM EDT
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