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Some Advice & a New Book by Larry Rosen, and an Open Source, Open Standards Conference
Tuesday, August 24 2004 @ 03:47 PM EDT

Larry Rosen has a new book out, "Open Source Licensing - Software Freedom and Intellectual Property Law," which I am enjoying reading very much. Rosen's Preamble says that the book is by a lawyer, but it's not for lawyers -- no citations or academic analyses suitable for a law journal. It's written, he says, for his friends in the free and open source community, who might be confused about which license to use for their software (there is an entire chapter on that), and also for those in business wondering how they and their company might be affected by various software licenses. It's the perfect book to hand your favorite PHB. You know, the one trembling with fear after reading FUD in BusinessWeek about open source and how scary and untested the licenses are.

He was recently interviewed by ComputerWorld about the book and asked why anyone would sue over free software:

"Your book has a section on litigation. Why would anyone sue over free software?

"People sue over intellectual property because it is property and because the stakes are so high and because the legal constructs are not black and white, and so licenses get interpreted and side agreements get made between companies. Lawsuits are usually by people who don't want it to be free -- who want to lock it back up again. As open-source becomes successful, people are going to want to try to make it proprietary, to claim ownership over things they don't have rights to. People will sue over what they have sued about since the first case: money and property."

Here is a bit from the introduction by Lawrence Lessig:

"Having failed to convince the world that proprietary software is technically necessary, or commercially necessary, the opponents of free and open source software now argue against it on the basis of legal necessity. At the most extreme (and absurd), SCO President Darl McBride argues that free software licensed under the GPL is 'unconstitutional'. At the center are those allied with Microsoft, who argue that the licenses supporting the most popular free and open source projects are 'dangerous' and 'unproven'.

"In this beautifully clear and accessible work, Lawrence Rosen defuses this last, and equally falacious, argument against open source and free software. While he doesn't waste trees responding to the ridiculous claims of McBride, this book builds a framework within which the family of free and open source licenses can be understood. And in a rare talent for a lawyer, Rosen succeeds in making these points about the law meaningful and understandable to all."

The ComputerWorld interview includes this question and answer about the GPL:

"What is the General Public License and why should I care?

"The GPL is the archetype, the first and best and most popular and most influential of all open-source licenses. It is the license under which Linux is distributed and many other software packages that are extremely important in open-source. About 70% of all open-source is licensed under the GPL. So it's important to understand it and its legal effects, its strengths and its weaknesses."

No wonder the dark side wants to make it walk the plank. The book touches, too, on open standards. Microsoft's just pulling out of the UN software standards body puts that subject on the map, and it surely gives the lie to Sun's Jonathan Schwartz's mantra that "open standards are better than open source." Here is Rosen on the subject:

"Open standards are really the battlefield on which we will determine whether software can truly be free and open."

Open standards are how you interoperate. It's what makes it possible for you to email (usually) people using different email applications. That is another way of saying that it's how you escape vendor lock-in, and, as Rosen points out, "you need open standards to implement open source," which is why Schwartz's phony dichotomy makes no sense. So, if that is the new battlefield, I guess it's time to start polishing up our armor and getting ready. From Rosen's chapter on open standards, p. 299 (I admit I read the last chapter first):

"Some companies and other nongovernmental organizations also want to control industry standards. Since those industry standards are not adopted by legislatures as laws, they cannot be enforced like building, electrical, and plumbing codes. Private owners of the intellectual property in standards can enforce their standards privately, under contract law and through the application of copyright, patent, and trademark law, by controlling license rights to the specifications of the standards. . . .

"What happens when someone owns patents that are necessary to implement the specification for an open standard? You will recall that the owner of a patent can prevent yhou from making, using, or selling his or her patented invention regardless of how you learned to do it, even if you invented it yourself subsequently.

"If someone owns a patent claim necessary to practice an open standard, you will need a license from the patent owner to practice that standard in your own software."

That is why standards bodies, such as the UN software standards group Microsoft just exited from, generally require that members limit their rights to enforce patents and require that they agree to license any patents necessary to practice their standards on "reasonable and nondiscriminatory terms". That would include no discrimination against FOSS, which requires licenses to be royalty-free. Ah, there's the Microsoft rub, I'm thinking.

Speaking of open standards, Rosen will be giving a keynote address at this conference on "Open Source, Open Standards -- Maximizing Utility While Managing Exposure", as will Bruce Perens and Glenn Otis Brown, the Executive Director of Creative Commons:

"The conference will focus on four key areas:

  • Business Risk and Exposure in Open Source Utilization
  • The Open Standards Deficit in Open Source: Problems in IP Management, Stability, and Market Growth
  • Implications for Open Source Adoption
  • Strengthening Open Source: Consideration of Alternative Solutions"

The conference will be in Scottsdale, AZ September 12-14, 2004. If any of you attend, please provide the rest of us an eyewitness report.


  


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Corrections here please
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, August 24 2004 @ 05:09 PM EDT

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OT and other links here please
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, August 24 2004 @ 05:10 PM EDT

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I suppose Trolls and related ilk here
Authored by: WhiteFang on Tuesday, August 24 2004 @ 05:11 PM EDT
:-)

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A Good Read...
Authored by: John M. Horn on Tuesday, August 24 2004 @ 05:13 PM EDT
Beautiful PJ! I want a copy of this one.

John Horn

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As the CEO of a Software Company....
Authored by: NicholasDonovan on Tuesday, August 24 2004 @ 05:20 PM EDT
Books like this become indispensible resources....
Good Job!

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Not an Attorney.
Views expressed are my personal opinions and not necessarily those of my
employer or its affiliates.

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Spoiled Brats
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, August 24 2004 @ 05:25 PM EDT
Its funny to see how such a Large and Influential corporation of America reacts
when it doesn't get its way. It reminds me of my neighbor who had a really nice
football, but when we wouldnt play by his rules(which were obviously slanted in
his favor) he grabbed his ball and left the game. Spoiled Brats

When windows become walls, its time to Open them.
John

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Sun's Jonathan Has The Schwartz--But Just Enough to Get Everybody Mad
Authored by: Weeble on Tuesday, August 24 2004 @ 05:30 PM EDT
I have to give Darth Jonathan some credit concerning his emphasis on open
standards. He's not only torqued off the FOSS community which wants to see him
embrace open source, but is beginning to tick off Microsoft as well.

In the latest "eWeek", there's an article called "Deal showing
signs of stress? Sun, Microsoft Partnership Hits Rough Patch", which
contains this key paragraph;

"...Jonathan Schwartz, Sun's chief operating officer and president, in
Santa Clara, Calif., made it clear last week that little will be accomplished
until Microsoft embraces open standards and interoperability." M$ doesn't
seem to be too happy about it.

---
MS Windows doesn't HAVE security holes--it IS a security hole.

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I wonder...
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, August 24 2004 @ 05:41 PM EDT
From the speaker bios page:

Stacey Quandt
Robert Frances Group
Master of Ceremonies

Stacey Quandt is a Senior Business Analyst and Open Source Practice Leader with the Robert Frances Group where she covers key market trends important to IT vendors and corporate users of Linux and open source technologies. Prior to joining the Robert Frances Group she established Quandt Analytics. She has also been a principal analyst at the Open Source Development Labs and an industry analyst at Forrester Research. At Giga Information Group, a subsidiary of Forrester Research, she created the firm's Open Source Research Competency and advised Fortune 1000 customers with published research and tactical and strategic advice on Linux.
(Emphasis added.)
Wasn't Enderle with Giga for a while? I wonder if she would know anything about why he left/was fired/whatever? There's another fellow there who, interestingly enough, once worked for Caldera, but they were an actual Linux company at some point, before all this nonsense began...

I seem to remember the person who Enderle claimed to have threatened the job of was female, so I just have to wonder if there's a connection. (Just to note, by 'threatened the job of' I'm talking about the story where he quoted someone and they told him not to use that quote or they might lose their job. Of course, this is all derived from one Enderle anecdote, so...)
Hmm, if they don't mind a nobody attending it, it's not that far from me... I wonder if I could get the chance to ask her myself?

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  • I wonder... - Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, August 24 2004 @ 06:50 PM EDT
  • I wonder... - Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, August 24 2004 @ 07:57 PM EDT
  • I wonder... - Authored by: bruce_s on Wednesday, August 25 2004 @ 07:10 AM EDT
Scottsdale
Authored by: overshoot on Tuesday, August 24 2004 @ 05:50 PM EDT
The conference will be in Scottsdale, AZ September 12-14, 2004. If any of you attend, please provide the rest of us an eyewitness report.

Some of us live in the area (unfortunately, I'll be traveling. It figures.) Anyway, if any of the gang are going to be in the neighborhood, please get in touch.

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More good stuff!
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, August 24 2004 @ 05:59 PM EDT

http://pacer.utd.uscourts.gov/images/203cv0029400000255.pdf
http://pacer.utd.uscourts.gov/images/203cv0029400000256.pdf

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  • More good stuff! - Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, August 25 2004 @ 12:31 AM EDT
Still more fun.
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, August 24 2004 @ 06:07 PM EDT
http://pacer.utd.uscourts.gov/images/203cv0029400000254.pdf

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  • Still more fun. - Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, August 24 2004 @ 06:08 PM EDT
Reasonable and Nondiscriminatory Terms
Authored by: RandyShane on Tuesday, August 24 2004 @ 06:17 PM EDT
That is why standards bodies, such as the UN software standards group Microsoft just exited from, generally require that members limit their rights to enforce patents and require that they agree to license any patents necessary to practice their standards on "reasonable and nondiscriminatory terms". That would include no discrimination against FOSS, which requires licenses to be royalty-free.
Unfortunately, I don't believe that is is generally accepted to be the case. "Reasonable and nondiscriminatory" just means that the terms (and possibly royalties) can't be onerous (as in reasonably priced for one example), and that the license terms shouldn't vary according to identity of the licensee. Reasonable and nondiscriminatory terms could be, for example, $100/year for unlimited usage, and the same terms are for everybody.

This is not an ideal situation for FOSS. Just because FOSS requires royalty-free licenses, it doesn't mean that standards bodies under a 'reasonable and nondiscriminatory' rule have to provide royalty-free licensing. The goal should be for standards bodies to go one step beyond, and specify royalty-free as well as R&D. One step toward that is to make sure that people committed to FOSS join standards-making bodies.

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Open Source vs Open Standards
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, August 24 2004 @ 11:42 PM EDT
Perhaps I'm reading it wrong, but the quote was "you need open standards to
implement open source,"? vs "open standards are better than open
source."

I don't see how Open Source is better than Open Standards. I don't even see how
Open Standards are not better than Open Source. I think Sun argues that Open
Standards are a necessity for a healthy competative industry. His comments about
Open Source are highly derogatory, but that doesn't lessen the real need for
Open/Accessible Standards.

HTML was an open "standard". However its popularity was largely
established by Netscape and then IE. Neither of which were open source. (Can't
remember if NCSA Mosaic was Open Source or not). Both of which tried to hijack
the
"standard".

I certainly couldn't argue that Open Source is better than Open Standards.

That said I think the argument to take in this whole debate is not Open
Standards/Open Source/Open XXX. The stance to take cooperation through freedom
of ideas. The real battle in IP (especially patents) laws of the future will be
about that freedom of ideas and expression.

The ridiculous Sun bashing on the website is absurd.

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oreilly book?
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, August 25 2004 @ 03:06 AM EDT
Anybody had alook at Understanding Open Source and Free Software Licensing? Dont know if its better or worse...

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Open Source != Public Domain
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, August 25 2004 @ 09:58 AM EDT
IMHO the most important lesson is that Open Source does not mean Public Domain.

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