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Groklaw Wins Linux Journal Editors' Choice Award
Sunday, July 25 2004 @ 06:06 AM EDT

Things have been so busy, I am just now getting to tell you that Groklaw has won the 2004 Linux Journal Editors' Choice Award, for Best Nontechnical or Community Web Site. You are a large part of what makes Groklaw what it is, so I wanted to make sure you knew our work has been recognized.

I feel really honored. And Groklaw is in some wonderful company. Linux Weekly News, which I have written for as well, won again for Best Technical Web Site. There an article now about Oracle's patent on "self service system for web site publishing." Sigh. Larry Lessig's book, "Free Culture" won for Best Nontechnical Book. I guess it depends on how you define "nontechnical." I have just read a chapter of his book aloud to send to one of the groups that makes the book available as audio. It was fun.

Here's part of what Linux Journal said about Groklaw:

"If you sold your TV when LA Law went off the air, this is the site for you. . . . Greg says Groklaw is 'now the home page of more IBM executives than any other site.'"

That made me smile. I knew the Washington Post reported that legal teams on both sides use Groklaw as a resource. If that is true about executives, too, it's news to me, but hey, guys, welcome to Groklaw.

And thank you, Linux Journal, for this award. I truly appreciate it.


  


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Groklaw Wins Linux Journal Editors' Choice Award
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, July 25 2004 @ 07:13 AM EDT
Most awards for websites are known as "the warning label".

This one is clearly one of the rare exceptions. Congrats!

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Congrats...
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, July 25 2004 @ 07:21 AM EDT
Your hard work and tireless effort is appreciated by everyone, keep it up PJ!

Without Groklaw this whole sordid affair and FUDfest may have turned out quite
differently.

TT

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Congratulations :)
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, July 25 2004 @ 07:34 AM EDT
There is no doubt you deserved the award.

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Groklaw Wins Linux Journal Editors' Choice Award
Authored by: pogson on Sunday, July 25 2004 @ 07:36 AM EDT
When I first heard of SCOG's claims, I was horrified that I might lose Linux.
The daylight that GROKLAW shed on the issues through PJ's insight, research and
the knowledge shared by the groklawyers has made a positive difference in my
life. That GROKLAW has grown and adapted to all the twists and turns of this
situation while making the world a better place for thousands of individuals,
businesses and industries is ample reason for the award.

Thank you


---
http://www.skyweb.ca/~alicia/ , my homepage, an eclectic survey of topics:
berries, mushrooms, teaching in N. Canada, Linux, firearms and hunting...

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Red or Blue Cape ?
Authored by: AntiFUD on Sunday, July 25 2004 @ 07:39 AM EDT
Congratulations PJ.

Now, should it be a red cape to go with your red dress and white horsie, that
you admitted to riding the other day, so that you can truly be our caped
crusader?

Or should it be a blue cape - I feel sure that IBM would have some input on what
shade of blue would be most appropriate - so that you can allow us to all say
"Hooray for the red, white and blue and Groklaw too"?

Who are you going to call: - FUDbusters or Groklaw ?

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IANAL - But IAAAMotFSF - Free to Fight FUD

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Enderale is a Keynote Speaker at SCO conference
Authored by: spuluka on Sunday, July 25 2004 @ 08:04 AM EDT
I don't suppose the Enderale disclosed his financial relationship with SCO in
any of those "insightful" articles praising their SCO Source
initiative and chances in court.

See Linux Week story linked to in the article above at the very end of the
article.

---
Steve Puluka
Pittsburgh, PA

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Groklaw Wins Linux Journal Editors' Choice Award
Authored by: chris_bloke on Sunday, July 25 2004 @ 08:12 AM EDT
Well done PJ and the team!

Chris

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Groklaw Wins Linux Journal Editors' Choice Award
Authored by: fjaffe on Sunday, July 25 2004 @ 08:16 AM EDT
Congratulations!!! Now, if we could just get the Pulitzer's to establish a web
journalism prize.......

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Groklaw Wins Linux Journal Editors' Choice Award
Authored by: kberrien on Sunday, July 25 2004 @ 10:11 AM EDT
You are a large part of what makes Groklaw what it is

While I agree with your statement, it can not be denied, that the initial spark, the tireless efforts, the long hours, the top notch writing, legal research is all, 100% PJ.

Applaus

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Groklaw Wins Linux Journal Editors' Choice Award
Authored by: chaz_paw on Sunday, July 25 2004 @ 10:17 AM EDT
Congratulations, PJ, and everyone else who have made this the place for SCO-Linux news.

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IAFTL- I am finally trying Linux.

Charles

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Groklaw Wins Linux Journal Editors' Choice Award
Authored by: brenda banks on Sunday, July 25 2004 @ 10:18 AM EDT
PJ thank you for all your articles ,guiding and directing to make this site what
it is today
the honor of being a small part of groklaw is so very satisfying


---
br3n

irc.fdfnet.net #groklaw
"sco's proof of one million lines of code are just as believable as the
raelians proof of the cloned baby"

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Top effort PJ
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, July 25 2004 @ 10:18 AM EDT
You deserve all the kudos coming your way.

Best recognition so far is the crud sent your way from the scobots....you must
be hitting the right nerves...

Keep it up...this is my favourite site

another anonymous

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Groklaw Wins Linux Journal Editors' Choice Award
Authored by: eggplant37 on Sunday, July 25 2004 @ 10:23 AM EDT
I should put in my 2 cents here.

At the trial on Wednesday (SCO v DC), the first attorney I met was Tom Bischoff,
who asked me when he said hello, "What are ya here for?" I told him,
"Here to observe the SCO trial." He said, "I thought so. Are
you eggplant... 52 is it?" I had to correct him, "Eggplant37" I
says, and told him my real name.

Later, when the SCO attorneys showed up and they were all speaking together, Tom
says to them, "Oh, and I should introduce you to eggplant37 over
here," at which point I met all the SCO lawyers. Later, during checkin,
after being seated in the courtroom, I overheard them again mentioning me in
their conversations.

These guys read this website, probably more than *WE* do.

This award is just more confirmation that I helped with some good things here.
Kudos to *everyone* who ever posted a comment, helped by typing up a pdf,
originated story material, went to a courtroom and typed a report. You all
deserve this award as much as PJ.

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What we all mean is...
Authored by: scott_R on Sunday, July 25 2004 @ 10:23 AM EDT
...words aren't enough to express our gratitude. Thank you PJ for all the time
and effort you've devoted to helping so many millions (billions) of people
uphold their freedom.

Scott R.

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OT: Well done PJ. Request: Can we talk about BayStar-SCO documents
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, July 25 2004 @ 10:27 AM EDT
Well done PJ, and well-deserved.

Request: Could we please have an article or discussion on the BayStar-SCO contracts?

The next two weeks are going to be filled with IBM and SCO and Novell filings, not to mention a hearing, so it would be easy to be, but IMHO a pity if we forgot about this.

Two things so far:

1. Closing v Not-Closing: In a previous story, I posted links to the May 2004 agreements, including the definition of Closing. Two comments down from the link, look for a fascinating comment by AllParadox.

2. Darl signing for Canopy: In a different previous story (the GPL in Germany one), you'll also notice that Darl also purported to make commitments on behalf of Canopy, in one section of the BayStar contract.

I'm sure there are many other fascinating aspects of these contracts (not to mention older BayStar-SCO contracts) which could be revealed if PJ and the Groklaw community started looking at them hard.

TIA
Quatermass
IANAL IMHO etc.

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Congrats are in order
Authored by: inode_buddha on Sunday, July 25 2004 @ 10:28 AM EDT
When I first ran across Groklaw, my initial reaction was "Wow, here's something that's just radical enough to rattle even the Open Source/Free Software crowd. Imagine, open-source law!"

Over the past many months I've watched Groklaw change and grow into an "anchor site", IMHO - it ranks up there with LJ, LT, LWN, GNU, kernel.org... the list goes on.

Yes, SlashDot too (such as it is).

It's part of my daily rounds on the 'net, keeping in touch with things.

PJ, you've created something I'm proud to participate in, and these awards re-affirm it.

---
"When we speak of free software, we are referring to freedom, not price." -- Richard M. Stallman

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Congradulations PJ
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, July 25 2004 @ 10:28 AM EDT
for your tireless efforts in creating a place where everyone feels welcome to
comment, techies and non-techies alike, Thank you.
PJ,I also want to thank you for believing.

Thank you to all the techies that post here as well, You have far more patence
with us non-techies than most learned peoples do.

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Congratulations on the Editors Choice Award
Authored by: rsteinmetz70112 on Sunday, July 25 2004 @ 10:32 AM EDT
PJ,

Your work is an example of building a community and of what cooperative action
can achieve. Groklaw is a great example of the strength of voluntary
association.


Thank You and all of the regular contributors here.

---
Rsteinmetz

"I could be wrong now, but I don't think so."

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My Characterization of Groklaw
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, July 25 2004 @ 10:35 AM EDT
First, congratulations PJ--and all the people who make Groklaw what it has grown
to be and to represent.

If I could characterize Groklaw in a short summary it would be this:

In a [corporate] world a little too full of cynicism, greed, posturing, outright
lies, insensitivity to the value of the individual and more, Groklaw, for the
most part, represents the common man trying to get at the truth and make it
known.

I trust PJ. She demonstrates the kind of integrity we like to see in other
people, but must begin with ourselves.

John

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I Still Wanna Coffee Mug....
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, July 25 2004 @ 10:57 AM EDT
PJ,

Thanks again for your great effort. Groklaw will prevail as a premier resource
long after the SCO's of this world grind themselves to dust and are long
forgotten.

So can't you grant some sort of license to someone to use the Groklaw logo and
graphic design to sell Groklaw stuff? Proceeds going to one of the worthy open
source or related orginization?

Pretty Pleeeezeee?? And I need a t-shirt, to go with... and a pen set,
paperweight, mouse pad... lemme think, what else...

Anybody else need a coffee mug?

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Congratulations PJ and crew
Authored by: Scriptwriter on Sunday, July 25 2004 @ 11:16 AM EDT
This is great, but in terms of validation for Groklaw, I would say the
recognition that both sides are using the site is even greater validation.

Now we can be pretty sure that the whole world is, indeed, watching.

---
You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might
find you get what you need.

irc.fdfnet.net #groklaw

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Groklaw Wins Linux Journal Editors' Choice Award
Authored by: etmax on Sunday, July 25 2004 @ 11:19 AM EDT
One of the most valueable things we can ever hope to have is our freedom.
Groklaw & PJ have contributed tirelessly & selflessly to the
preservation of freedom globally, not for one town or country, but everybody
everywhere in the civilised world.

Even Darl has benefited from this, even if he doesn't know it yet :-)

The truth will set you free.

---
Max - Melbourne Australia

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Groklaw Wins Linux Journal Editors' Choice Award
Authored by: Steve Martin on Sunday, July 25 2004 @ 11:27 AM EDT
Well, I guess I'll continue my subscription to LJ after all. :)

---
"When I say something, I put my name next to it." -- Isaac Jaffee, "Sports
Night"

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Groklaw Wins Linux Journal Editors' Choice Award
Authored by: techgrrl on Sunday, July 25 2004 @ 11:31 AM EDT
Congratulations to PJ and the whole community. I work with charitable organizations as part of my job, and one of the books we had read was "Bowling Alone", which used data from a widely spread number of charitable and other institutions to conclude that American citizens just had much less sense of community than we did 50 years ago.

I hope that the ONLINE commuities take up the slack. This site has caused me to go out and read a large number of books on topics like intellectual property, freedom of speech, political implications of the DMCA, and other things I would never have investigated.

I am more convinced than ever that we must take our activism into the real world as well, to have real impact on our political system, because our real freedoms are very much at risk to the corporate oligarchs who would have us exist only as sheep to be sheared to enrich the powerful few.

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This Won't Be The Last Award
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, July 25 2004 @ 11:58 AM EDT
PJ is a pleasure to follow. I expect more great things.

PJ, just don't look back 'cause is such a long way. And, don't believe your
press 'cause it's coming from the likes of "you know who".

God bless you, PJ.

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Groklaw Wins Linux Journal Editors' Choice Award
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, July 25 2004 @ 12:01 PM EDT
From the yahoo board, a list of sponsors for SCO Forum 2004.
1) Ericom Software
2) Rasmussen Software
3)
Clover WorXs
4) AdminUX
5) Bio-metric Products Inc.
6) Century Software
7) DTR
Business Systems
8) Dynamic Concepts
9) Esker Software
10) Facet Corp
11)
goSoftware
12) IXOrg
13) Mardon Healthcare
14) MaxSpeed
15) Microlite
16) Lone
Star Software
17) MultiTech
18) NetMax
19) OpenSystems Inc
20) Team 1
Systems
21) Seneca Data
22) CRN
23) Var Business

here is the scosource, so to speak.

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OT: Leaked Microsoft Memo (Funny)
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, July 25 2004 @ 12:08 PM EDT
From Linux Today

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I'm impressed . . .
Authored by: a_dreamer on Sunday, July 25 2004 @ 12:09 PM EDT
But not surprised.
You are the Lance Armstrong in this area; you own the yellow
jersey.

Craig

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Groklaw Wins Linux Journal Editors' Choice Award
Authored by: geoff lane on Sunday, July 25 2004 @ 12:10 PM EDT
Congrats PJ. First of many I expect.

It's a pity that more cases are not exposed to well informed public scrutiny. Perhaps then there would be many fewer attempts to use the legal process as a weapon against the small and the weak.

Meanwhile, back in CrazyWorld, SCO have published a list of Forum 2004 Selected Sponsors.

The only business on the list I've heard of is Lone Star Software who have advertised in every edition of The Linux Journal I've ever bought.

---
Ten Truths Of Linux -- http://zoe.mcc.ac.uk/tentruths.html

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OT: Cafepress.com
Authored by: koa on Sunday, July 25 2004 @ 12:12 PM EDT
PJ, I've been wishing for a while that I could have a Groklaw logo on a t-shirt,
mousepad, or coffe mug. Are you planning on ever offering such things in the
future?

(I do not work for cafepress.com by the way; I've used them before and I am
merely pointing them out becuase they worked well for me in the past.)

---
...move along...nothing to see here...

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Groklaw Wins Linux Journal Editors' Choice Award
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, July 25 2004 @ 12:16 PM EDT

Every now and then, I think about what it would be like to track the SCO suit if this site didn't exist.

It's not a pleasant thought.

I can't think of any other site that I would miss anywhere as near as I would miss this one, should the site disappear.

Thanks, PJ. You will probably never really know just how much more tolerable you have made a zillion or so lives, for peoplewho care about the kind of thing that is discussed here.

Wally Bass

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OT: Petition to sign to show Congress your support for FOSS
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, July 25 2004 @ 12:44 PM EDT
At this URL, Developer Declaration of Independence, the Open Group has an epetition for you to sign.

Groklawians have often questioned Open Group's lack of action. Well, it takes a long time for large organizations to get organized. Now, Open Group is taking measured steps towards a long term, global resolution that does not screw with the status quo as much as build upon it.

If you really want to screw up big time, ignore them. Remember, the world is watching closely trying to understand just what the hell is going wrong with the software community and intellectual property.

You might expect that over 100,000 signatures on this might rivet the attention of Congress on the technical community's message while minimizing the effectiveness of FUD from think (i.e., stink) tanks and Microsoft's $36 billion.

If you think everyone should sign this petition just to get it before Congress then you understand that survival trumps being politically correct. People can argue Big Endian versus Little Endian issues and still sign this petition. Lets see whether RMS signs it.

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IBM - I want a Linux laptop
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, July 25 2004 @ 01:05 PM EDT
If IBM executives read Groklaw, then I want to say this. Offer Linux as an OS
choice for IBM PC systems. When I went to purchase an IBM ThinkPad, this is what
the IBM site said...

"IBM recommends Microsoft« Windows« XP Professional."

I see the "(so and so) recommends Microsoft« Windows« XP Professional"
phrase inserted on many PC manufacturer websites. I think this is part of a
contract with MS to gain access to support, licensing, and discounts for the OEM
supplier. Do these companies REALLY recommend Microsoft« Windows« XP
Professional? I think this is a concession more than a realistic acceptance of
MS WIndows XP.

IBM, how about "IBM recommends Linux« and Microsoft« Windows« XP
Professional" or "IBM recommends Linux«" ?

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Groklaw Wins Linux Journal Editors' Choice Award
Authored by: sbungay on Sunday, July 25 2004 @ 01:06 PM EDT
Congratulations PJ.

Congratulations to all of the participants in the Groklaw experience... even
the trolls.

---
Programmer: A red eyed mumbling mamal that converses with inanimate objects.

IANAL IAAP

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Groklaw Wins Linux Journal Editors' Choice Award
Authored by: ujay on Sunday, July 25 2004 @ 01:29 PM EDT
Groklaw has been a wakeup call in the connected community, allowing all those
with a voice to contribute to a better human social environment, active
participation in matters that hold significant impact on our
economic/technological evolution, and contribute to the power of the collective
human voice in response to issues of importance.

Congratulations, PJ, you sweated, toiled, lost sleep, and probably a few pounds
during this run, and you deserve all the credit that comes your way, if not more
than we will probably ever be aware of. You have my support, opinions and
respect.


---
IE is not a browser, it is a scream.

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Absoulutely appropriate
Authored by: icebarron on Sunday, July 25 2004 @ 02:02 PM EDT
Pj,
I am most assuredly an avid fan of your site. Your insight into the legal
realm is both invaluable and throughly entertaining. Today I celebrate that fact
that someone in this online chaos has recognized a jewel amongst the worthless
drivel that continues to dominate the web. After reading many posts here, I KNOW
that I am not alone when I say that PJ is a community treasure and a worthy
adversary to the FUDmeisters. In closing I wish to say congrats to her online
confederates for their tireless work and contributions to freedom...Seems to me
you have now joined a long list of people who deserve a place in history as a
jounalist and patriot in every sense of the word...

A toast to the folks of GROKLAW and if possible a 21 gun salute...

Dan

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Groklaw Wins Linux Journal Editors' Choice Award
Authored by: oldgreybeard on Sunday, July 25 2004 @ 02:11 PM EDT
Jolly good show PJ, the lights are slowly going on.

I predict more good news will follow.

Now, everybody, back to your regularly scheduled trolling.

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Groklaw Wins Linux Journal Editors' Choice Award
Authored by: blacklight on Sunday, July 25 2004 @ 02:17 PM EDT
"That made me smile. I knew the Washington Post reported that legal teams
on both sides use Groklaw as a resource." PJ

SCOG is making a giant effort of reading groklaw, with some pretty puny results
to show for it: it reminds me of Bruce Schneir's contention that security
through obscurity does not work - Bruce Schneier is the author of the definitive
book on cryptography. We are looking at the issue through all angles in a public
discussion, and theoretically this should give SCOG a huge advantage over us -
the fact is that we are the ones who are trouncing SCOG. The best engineering
professor I ever had gave open book tests exclusively: if you did not understand
the material, if you worried about passing the tests instead of being coldly
resolved to do or die, then you were dead meat in his class.

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  • The SCO-loop - Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, July 25 2004 @ 04:57 PM EDT
Washington Post and the GPL
Authored by: Duster on Sunday, July 25 2004 @ 02:22 PM EDT
I would like to pass on my conratulations to you all for a job well.

At the same time, it is plain that PJ's work is far from done. The Washington
Post article that PJ links to, "Showdown with the Linux Gang,"
completely miscontrues the GPL, among other things claiming that the GPL
"requires" software licensed by the GPL to be "free." The
author seems to have accepted the Micorsoft characterization of the GPL rather
than get an informed opinion.

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Groklaw Wins Linux Journal Editors' Choice Award
Authored by: Greebo on Sunday, July 25 2004 @ 02:25 PM EDT
As i've read more and more of the congratulations and praise being heaped on PJ here, i'm not ashamed to admit that it's brought a tear to my eye; so i can only imagine how PJ is feeling right now!

PJ is right to say that this has been a team effort, and everyone who has helped shares in this reward, but i think she is also being very modest.

PJ has brought the whole community together in a way i thought i would never see, and as one other person commented 'Many good things have risen from SCO's pile of poo'!

PJ, there are so many more eloquent praises already here, that i would just like to add a simple...

Thank you.

Greebo

---
-----------------------------------------
Recent Linux Convert and Scared Cat Owner

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Groklaw Wins Linux Journal Editors' Choice Award
Authored by: blacklight on Sunday, July 25 2004 @ 02:30 PM EDT
Here is a toast to the trolls that we snuffed out and some of the Open Source
community's weenies and ninnies who were tut-tutted our eyeball to eyeball
analysis of SCOG's untruths as too confrontational: we could and did without
you!

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Groklaw Wins Linux Journal Editors' Choice Award
Authored by: rkrishnam_can01 on Sunday, July 25 2004 @ 02:37 PM EDT
Congratulations PJ. You have defintely made Law a lot fun for at least one
non-lawyer.

Raja

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  • Heh - Authored by: Jude on Sunday, July 25 2004 @ 03:24 PM EDT
Groklaw Wins Linux Journal Editors' Choice Award
Authored by: Jeffrey on Sunday, July 25 2004 @ 03:12 PM EDT
Congratulation to you PJ, and to all those that work with you to produce this
site. Groklaw quickly became one of my top three daily reads and I'm never
disappointed by the consistant quality of information and the manner in which
the facts are simply presented.

I'm still not throwing my collection of lawyer jokes out. But if someone told me
two years ago that I would be looking forward to the latest legal briefs filed
by IBM, Novell, Red Hat or Chrysler -- I would have added that comment to the
collection.

And maybe, just maybe this time NEXT year, I could be reading SEC filed legal
briefs. Well, I can hope.

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Groklaw Wins Linux Journal Editors' Choice Award
Authored by: tyche on Sunday, July 25 2004 @ 03:14 PM EDT
Congratulations, PJ.

So, when do you get your second "bug" to put under the "Best News
Site" heading in the left column?

Craig
Tyche

---
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of
knowledge."
Stephen Hawking

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The end of IE?
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, July 25 2004 @ 03:25 PM EDT
I know this is only one data point, but it really blew my mind. Ya see, this MS guy asked a crowd who used Internet Explorer.
    Probably 99 times out of 100 when he asks that question all the hands go up, right? Well first there was a pause and then a giggle and then a whoop of laughter as the audience looked around and realized that NO ONE had raised a hand. The presenter was thrown off his mark, but he recovered and said, "Wow! Okay how many of you wish we'd fix IE so you could use it?"

    Still no hands....

Are we finally approaching the tipping point?

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Groklaw Wins Linux Journal Editors' Choice Award
Authored by: haegarth on Sunday, July 25 2004 @ 04:19 PM EDT
Well, PJ, it's well deserved. Without Groklaw, the madness of SCOFUD would have
overwhelmed me already.
I sure hope that millions of people read Groklaw, to prevent SCOFUD from being
spread. Obviously, there are too few journalists around here.

---
MS holds the patent on FUD, and SCO is its licensee....

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Revisionism rampant...
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, July 25 2004 @ 04:24 PM EDT
I was just doing some work on the various resources I've come across in the past year or so, and have just discovered that TSCOG's variant of Eric Levenez' Unix timeline, where TSCOG tried to show that Minix was a direct offshoot of the Sinix/UNIX TSS V7 family tree, has gone missing.

Surprise, surprise...

Fortunately, I downloaded a copy ;-)

t_t_b

---
APA analysis, see:
http://www.finchhaven.com/TSCOG/index.html

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Groklaw Wins Linux Journal Editors' Choice Award
Authored by: tydyed on Sunday, July 25 2004 @ 04:25 PM EDT
Congrats PJ! This web site and the research that happens here is one of the most innovative uses of the www to come along since it's inception. I am personally grateful to you and the community for stirring the need within myself to become more involved in doing things to add to the progress of the open source movement. You have a place on the internet timeline all your own and this is a well deserved recognition of your dedication and hard work.

Thank you PJ!

tydyed...

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Not Troll or Flamebait - Truth
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, July 25 2004 @ 04:34 PM EDT
Linux Journal sold the e-mail address I gave them when I subscribed. I got a
load of spam before I even got my first issue. As I do with most business, I
had created a unique e-mail address just for them. The spam I got was complete
trash. It wasn't technical or industry related. I remember getting stuff
promoting Oprah diets.

I called them to confront them and cancel my subscription. They admitted that
they had an "opt-out" policy. There wasn't even an opt-out option on
the form where I provided the address! By the time I discovered their
"opt-out" policy, they had already sold the e-mail address so the
damage was done. Fortunately for me I only lost one easily disposable e-mail
address from a domain. I sympathize with their other customer/victims.

JSL

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OT: Question on copyright duration
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, July 25 2004 @ 04:35 PM EDT
My question is triggered by a message I read that the copyright on some of the
Elvis songs soon ends.

Both Europe and America signed the berne Convention on copyrights. The length of
a copyright in Europe is 30 years, in America it is 95 years.

What are the consequences of this?
If I write something in Europe do I have 30 year copyright protection worlwide
or do I get 30 years protection in Europe and 95 years in America?

I have some follow-up questions, depending on the answer.

H@ns

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Congrats to PJ, and GROKLAW contributors
Authored by: Night Flyer on Sunday, July 25 2004 @ 04:42 PM EDT
Congrats to PJ, and GROKLAW contributors. Together we make a difference.

Without PJ, I might never have understood the issues, and might well have come
to some wrong conclusions. For this I am truly appreciative. Frankly, I am
proud to be a part of the Linux community.

"Best Nontechnical or Community Web Site"

Actually, we have definitely become a 'Community', but I might argue against the
term 'Nontechnical'. All the legal terms and phrases and how case precedents
are used to argue situations in court, to me at least, are certainly NOT
'Nontechnical'.

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Veritas Vincit: Truth Conquers

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What to do when the lights go out...
Authored by: brian on Sunday, July 25 2004 @ 04:55 PM EDT
I would like to add my thanks to the long list of congrats
PJ & crew are receiving for this award. Keep up the good
work!

Has anyone considered what to do when the lights go out on
the SCO v World cases? I personally would like to see
Groklaw continue to fight the software patent / copyright
battle until this sillyness is exposed as the fraud it is.
Nature abhores a vacuume and I think Groklaw can fill the
void.

In the meantime, bask in the glow of recognition for a job
well done!

B.

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Groklaw Wins Linux Journal Editors' Choice Award
Authored by: RPN on Sunday, July 25 2004 @ 04:56 PM EDT
When I first found Groklaw back early/mid last summer it was a revelation and a
pleasure. It still is for the diversity of its members and the depth and breadth
they bring to the discussion. It has also been a huge education for me and that
has been a challenge and a pleasure.

So, especially to PJ for starting it and keeping the 'pot boiling', but also to
everyone else who has contributed thank you and congratulations on this award.
The recognition is very well deserved.

Richard Neil

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So What's Next?
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, July 25 2004 @ 05:25 PM EDT
SCO will be history soon. What will keep Groklaw from fading away? What
will be the big issue?

My vote is software patents.

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Groklaw Wins Linux Journal Editors' Choice Award
Authored by: hardware-guy on Sunday, July 25 2004 @ 06:11 PM EDT
Congratulations PJ, and thank you for your tireless efforts, and reminding us
that there is no such thing as a small loss of freedom.

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Groklaw Wins Linux Journal Editors' Choice Award
Authored by: IrisScan on Sunday, July 25 2004 @ 06:28 PM EDT
CONGRATULATIONS to PJ , Groklaw , Anonymous et al .

I think this is an occasions that calls for flowers !!

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PJ , you really are the finest example of geek crumpet extant in these times of
heroic struggle , battling the insidious forces of darkness from Lindon , deftly
parrying every lame cut and misjudged thrust of the worm-tongued minions of the
evil empire ; Spartacus himself would be proud of your endeavours !

The geeks are rising , the monopolistist horizon's are darkening , and a
woodland clad knight is driving the field before her and uniting the anonymous
downtrodden ! Soon the pagan giant will be slain , and the people will no longer
whisper when they mention the name of "Linux" !

It's heady stuff , I'm getting quite carried away !


IANAAA : I Am Not An ASCII Artist .

"I fear the Geeks , especially when they come bearing gifts". Author
unknown (not for long...).

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Groklaw Wins Linux Journal Editors' Choice Award
Authored by: blacklight on Sunday, July 25 2004 @ 10:37 PM EDT
I owe a debt of gratitude to PJ's groklaw community for the free legal training
in IP law and the law in general that I got from following the various SCOG
litigations. I'll never be a lawyer, but I'll know enough to be able to keep my
IP lawyers honest just as the two accounting courses I took at NYU Stern as part
of my MBA requirements have helped me ask the accountants questions that make
sense.

In addition, we all are whom we hang out with: if I hang out with idiots, it's
only a matter of time before I think like an idiot and act like an idiot.
Conversely, if we hang out with sharp and knowledgeable individuals, we become
pretty sharp and knowledgeable ourselves. It is of course my continuing
privilege to hang out at groklaw with some of the sharpest and most
knowledgeable intellectual blades this side of heaven and hell.

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"Nontechnical"?
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, July 25 2004 @ 11:03 PM EDT
Congrats, PJ! And I must say, the more I learn about law (a large part of it from this site, unsurprisingly) the less I can think of it as "nontechnical."

It seems to me that the field is highly technical. It's just technical in a different way than programming or engineering is.

Thanks for the great site, and keep it up!

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Groklaw Wins Linux Journal Editors' Choice Award
Authored by: subdude on Sunday, July 25 2004 @ 11:37 PM EDT
I rarely contribute but I follow this site and your articles religeously PJ - I
would just like to join everyone in congradulating you for your outstanding
contributions to the defense of the Linux community.

Thank you Pamela Jones.

Very Well Done!

I would also like to thank the many contributors and GrokLaw Agents who scour
the globe for the truth.

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Groklaw Wins Linux Journal Editors' Choice Award
Authored by: webster on Monday, July 26 2004 @ 12:52 AM EDT
Thanks for sharing your well-deserved recognition. It was a little slow today
so I went back to the beginning of Groklaw and started skimming your articles
and comments. I'm up to July 7. It's fast due to so few comments. Your
confident, if not cocksure, attitude sure helped to turn the FUD around. You
wrote then as you do today. You never let those bleak, dark ages shake your
faith.

We have a long way to go, but your efforts have made that way easier and
shorter.

If more folks would click on the "Pay Pal" or "Click to
Give" buttons on the left, Groklaw will get more of your time and get ever
better. Thanks.

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webster

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Groklaw Wins Linux Journal Editors' Choice Award
Authored by: JaapHoetmer on Monday, July 26 2004 @ 04:30 AM EDT
PJ, I read this site daily, and I rarely submit comments, but congratulations
are due. This is an amazing site, and an amazing piece of work, devotion and
love. It's been sheer fun to follow the cases by means of your tireless efforts.
Not to forget the countless others who have contributed so much to this site and
the value it stands for.

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Groklaw Wins Linux Journal Editors' Choice Award
Authored by: skuggi on Monday, July 26 2004 @ 05:48 AM EDT
I am not surpriced at all, but ofcourse delighted. :-D
-Skuggi.

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Groklaw Wins Linux Journal Editors' Choice Award
Authored by: WojtekPod on Monday, July 26 2004 @ 10:08 AM EDT
Congratulations, PJ. And thank you.

Wojciech Podgˇrni

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Groklaw Wins Linux Journal Editors' Choice Award
Authored by: mikera on Monday, July 26 2004 @ 02:15 PM EDT
Congratulations PJ and everyone else who has contributed to Groklaw's success.

This site has set new precedents for quality reporting online, and undoubtably
helped reveal many truths behind the SCO/IBM case in particular. Long may it
continue!

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