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AutoZone's Reply Memoranda
Wednesday, June 09 2004 @ 04:09 PM EDT

AutoZone has filed its Reply Memorandum in Support of Its Motion to Transfer Venue and its Reply Memorandum in Support of its Motion To Stay or, In the Alternative, for a More Definite Statement. Attached to the latter is SCO's Opposition to Red Hat's Motion for Reconsideration, which AutoZone quotes from most effectively to make mincemeat of SCO's argument opposing the court's granting of AutoZone's request for a stay. In fact, AutoZone has attached a number of IBM documents too. And they devastatingly use some of Darl McBride's public statements. They so want the judge in Nevada to get the *whole* SCO picture, not just the face SCO is presenting in Nevada, particularly because SCO has said things in other courts that can trip them up in AutoZone. It's a tour-de-force performance by AutoZone's lawyers. I'd hire this firm in a New York minute.

In the first memorandum, AutoZone points out that cases of infringement should be brought where the act of infringement occurred, because that's where the evidence is located. That, they point out, would be Tennessee, not Nevada. As for SCO's alternative request that the case be sent to Utah if it can't stay in Nevada, AutoZone curtly points out it isn't any more convenient to them than Nevada and they have less of a tie to that state than to Tennessee. If SCO wanted to argue that it was more convenient for them in Nevada, or Utah, they should have so argued. They certainly can't say, and anyway they didn't argue it, that cases are heard faster in Utah than in Tennessee. While it is true that the plaintiff gets to pick the place to file, they can't just stick a pin in a map. There has to be some reason, even if it's just convenience. There has to be some connection on somebody's part to that state, and AutoZone says Nevada isn't where they have the strongest tie. The operative facts occurred in Tennessee and that is where the relevant witnesses and documents are. The evaluation and installation of Linux was done nationwide for the company from Memphis, and maintaining the computer network is done there too.

Evidently, the courts there are a lot faster than in Nevada or Utah. AutoZone did its math: "If SCO is truly concerned about the purported irreparable harm it is suffering," it notes deadpan, "by virtue of AutoZone's alleged copyright infringement, SCO would support transfer to the Western District of Tennessee where the case would proceed to trial an average of 14 months sooner than in Nevada (and 9 months sooner than in Utah)."

And SCO has zero ties to that state. As for Utah, while noting that SCO is "[a]pparently second-guessing its forum selection decision in light of AutoZone's motion," that state is even less appropriate. "AutoZone's only relation to Utah is that it operates a handful of stores in the state." No witnesses are there. No documents. None of the operative facts happened there. Cases make it to trial 33% faster in Tennessee than in Utah. I think we can all testify to how glacial the Utah pace has been.

It doesn't make sense, they point out, to join this case to IBM or Novell, because Novell is about issues of fact and law that aren't at issue here. And IBM is so far ahead in terms of where they are in the stream of preparation for the trial, it wouldn't make sense to add on a case that is only starting. For all those reasons, and a lot more, AutoZone says they'd like the court to send this stupid case to Tennessee.

In the Reply Memorandum on the stay or more definite statement, AutoZone elegantly opens with this use of SCO's Red Hat papers:

"Plaintiff The SCO Group, Inc. ("SCO") has effectively conceded in the Red Hat litigation that AutoZone, Inc. ("AutoZone") is entitled to a stay of SCO's claims in the present action. As AutoZone noted in its opening brief, the District of Delaware stayed the Red Hat case sua sponte -- albeit with SCO's encouragement -- pending resolution of SCO's lawsuit against IBM in Utah. Red Hat has recently moved the court to open the stay. In opposing Red Hat's motion, SCO stated:

'[T]here is no doubt that, as it is presently constituted, the IBM case will address central issues raised in [the Red Hat] lawsuit. Therefore, it would be a "waste of judicial resources," and the resources of the parties, to litigate [the Red Hat] case while a substantially similar question is being litigated in federal district court in Utah.' . . .

"SCO further stated to the court:

'[T]he Court correctly observed that the IBM case will address a central issue in [the Red Hat] case: whether Linux contains misappropriated UNIX code. As noted in the Court's Order, this issue is raised by SCO's claim for breach of contract arising from IBM's contributions of code to Linux in violation of its contractual obligations.' . . .

"How SCO can contend that 'there is no doubt' that the IBM case will resolved the threshold issues in the Red Hat case, yet deny the same in this case is unclear in light of the fact that SCO's claims against AutoZone relate to AutoZone's use of a version of Linux that AutoZone obtained from Red Hat. . . .

"AutoZone submits that SCO's statements to the court in the Red Hat case justify the stay of this case without further consideration of the merits of AutoZone's motion."

"Unclear", eh? Nice touch. I can almost see the bow from the attorney, removing his Cyrano de Bergerac hat, with a plume, no doubt, as he glances over at the SCO team and with a twinkle in his eye mouths, "Touche! Take that! Your cunning doublespeak is your undoing."

Of course, they don't stop there. Lawyers don't stop until they have touched each and every possible base. You just never know which argument will hit the judge just right. That's why judges so often interrupt them in the middle of a sentence. They know they'll just keep on going and going and going otherwise. So they point out that they "can't even identify with certainty what SCO is claiming. SCO is therefore not properly entitled to a presumption of irreparable harm in this case." AutoZone isn't distributing SCO's software, so where is the harm to SCO's business if there is a stay? They sell auto parts. They only use Linux internally, because they like to use it for their business internally. Even if they were to make an internal copy, the only argument SCO could conceivably make is that they lost a license fee (and only if you accept they have any right to make such a claim), and monetary damages do not, by law, constitute irreparable harm. Anyway, they point out in a footnote, SCO isn't looking to make AutoZone stop using Linux. They just want them to pay a license fee, judging from a quote by the quotable Darl in CRN.com on November 18, 2003, when he said SCO wasn't looking to "blow up Linux" but "to get a transaction fee every time" it is sold.

Anyway, SCO knew or should have known AutoZone was using Linux back in 1999, when Red Hat issued a press release about it. Let's get down to the basics, they say. SCO is a distributor of both UNIX and Linux, so "SCO has long possessed the knowledge necessary to determine whether the source code of Linux infringed any SCO copyrights in the source code of UNIX." So why did they wait at least ten months, or several years, depending on whether you count from the May 2003 Dear Linux user letter or the press release, to bring an action, if they can't afford to wait? Then they quote from a case: "An unreasonable delay suggests that . . . any harm suffered by the plaintiff is not so severe as to be 'irreparable'."

How do you like their next killer argument? They point out that SCO has been aggressively fighting to stay the Red Hat case:

"despite the fact that Red Hat is one of the leading distributors of Linux in the United States. SCO's case for prejudice or irreparable harm is clearly more relevant in a case against a leading distributor of the alleged infringing product than in a case against a single end user of the product like AutoZone. If SCO was genuinely concerned about irreparable harm associated with the continued distribution and use of Linux, common sense suggests that SCO would be seeking to move the Red Hat case forward as quickly as possible -- rather than pursuing a single end user."

Cute, no? I just love their sense of humor. They didn't shuffle red and blue papers into a stack of white ones and call anyone a liar, like Mr. Hatch's performance art "anger" yesterday, but they actually did call SCO's bluff very effectively.

There is plenty more enjoyment in the Memorandum. I actually laughed out loud at this :

"SCO repeatedly notes that the present case should not be stayed pending resolution of the IBM, Red Hat, and Novell cases because those cases may settle or be resolved on legal or factual grounds unrelated to the issues in the present case. ... SCO does not cite any authority for denying a motion to stay because of the possibility that the pending actions might settle or be resolved on grounds unrelated to the present case."

SCO is so outclassed here. It's like Clare Boothe Luce thinking she could spar with Dorothy Parker and win. Did you ever hear that story? At a gathering, Luce and Parker were at a doorway, and Luce indicated Parker should go ahead of her, cattily saying "Age before beauty," to which Parker instantly quipped as she breezed past Luce, "Pearls before swine."

Like Luce, SCO would have been better off had it picked a different opponent.


  


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Corrections here please
Authored by: inode_buddha on Wednesday, June 09 2004 @ 06:17 PM EDT
So PJ can find them.

---
"When we speak of free software, we are referring to freedom, not price." --
Richard M. Stallman

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AutoZone's Reply Memoranda
Authored by: John M. Horn on Wednesday, June 09 2004 @ 06:26 PM EDT
I get the sense that SCOG is becoming increasingly confused and off balance by
the many different tracks of litigation they have initiated. Who was it that
said 'Oh what a tangled web we weave...'.

John Horn

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OT: NY Minute
Authored by: bstadil on Wednesday, June 09 2004 @ 06:37 PM EDT
For our foreign friends New Your Minute

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Predicted SCO irreperable harm argument
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, June 09 2004 @ 06:39 PM EDT
I would venture to predict SCO's argument for irreperable harm would go
something like this.

1. The GPL requires redistribution of the product (linux) with source, under the
terms of the GPL

2. Point #1 is demonstrated by the fact that IBM is suing SCO for distributing
Linux on terms other than the GPL

3. As AutoZone admits to using Linux, they must be distributing.

Of course, there is argument is just a series of false premises and
non-sequitors, but it is an argument that SCO have more or less used in the
press before.

And of course, I think SCO should, and probably does know that simply using a
GPLed product doesn't require you to distribute it, but I don't believe that it
will stop them making this argument.

(And even if were true, which it's not, it's rather a weak argument in the light
of AutoZone's other points)

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AutoZone's Reply Memoranda
Authored by: Nick Bridge on Wednesday, June 09 2004 @ 06:40 PM EDT
It is a thing of beauty.

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Dorothy Parker and Winston Churchill
Authored by: knutsondc on Wednesday, June 09 2004 @ 06:47 PM EDT
The anecdote about Dorothy Parker and Claire Booth Luce reminds me of the following exchange between Winston Churchill and Bessie Braddock (a society grand dame:

Bessie Braddock: Mr Churchill, you are drunk.

Sir Winston Churchill: And you madam, are ugly. But I shall be sober in the morning.

Darron

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AutoZone's Reply Memoranda
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, June 09 2004 @ 06:52 PM EDT
Alexander Pope : Health, Peace and Competence.

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AutoZone's Reply Memoranda
Authored by: red floyd on Wednesday, June 09 2004 @ 06:55 PM EDT
I know where my next purchase of auto parts/supplies will be coming from.

---
The only reason we retain the rights we have is because people *JUST LIKE US*
died to preserve those rights.

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AutoZone's Reply Memoranda
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, June 09 2004 @ 06:58 PM EDT
I’ll have to say that of the legal papers I’ve read here so far, I’m the most
impressed with the Autozone lawyers. They are always presented logically and
succinct with no wasted metaphors. Seem like they are easy to read and follow
even without a law degree.

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AutoZone's Reply Memoranda
Authored by: Cal on Wednesday, June 09 2004 @ 06:59 PM EDT

My favorite part?

IBM has recently filed a motion for summary judgment on its Tenth Counterclaim because what SCO has produced does not evidence any infringement of UNIX by Linux. See IBM Mot. for Partial Summ. J. at 2. SCO's contention that AutoZone will get the information in discovery that it now seeks thus appears wholly illusory. Accordingly, SCO should be directed to amend its Complaint and provide a more definite statement of its claims. (Emphasis is mine)

Here is two cases wrapped up in one quote.

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AutoZone's Reply Memoranda
Authored by: blacklight on Wednesday, June 09 2004 @ 07:00 PM EDT
"It's a tour-de-force performance by AutoZone's lawyers." PJ

No tour de force by AZ's lawyers would be considered complete without a matching
tour de farce by SCOG's lawyers.

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AutoZone's Reply Memoranda
Authored by: elrond_2003 on Wednesday, June 09 2004 @ 07:01 PM EDT
IANAL The most impressive piece of lawyering that I see here is that in finding
precedent for Staying a case vs a user in favor of one vs a distributor, they
found something that even groklaw missed. Well done defense. Autozone
gotvtheir money's worth.

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free as in speech.

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AutoZone's Reply Memoranda
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, June 09 2004 @ 07:08 PM EDT
I make it a general rule to never drink anything while reading something put
forth by the lawyers that are opposing SCO in the various cases. I am trying to
prevent a SKIE (Soda-Keyboard-Interface-Event). It worked in this instance!!!

SCO must be fuming!!! To have their own words used against them in such a
manner!! That is totally unfair of Autozone!

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!

That is the legal document equivalent of a Rembrandt. I only waded through 14
pages of the one about the Stay, I had to give myself a break before I went into
convulsions!

Apparently SCO is trying to practice a new form of Autoretrophrenology!!!

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OT: Some reporters are 'getting' the GPL.
Authored by: Trepalium on Wednesday, June 09 2004 @ 07:23 PM EDT
I just ran across one of the most insightful articles on the GPL I've seen in a while. He correctly points out that the GPL isn't really any different from copyright law. Namely, the 'viral' nature of the GPL exists in copyright law itself.

More recently, this same man wrote an article where he compares the GPL with the Microsoft EULA for their developer products. He points out that many of the contradictions that Microsoft likes to complain exist because of the GPL also exist in MS EULAs. He doesn't get every detail right, but most of his points still stand.

Just to make things even more uncomfortable, this guy writes for the same company that employs Rob Enderle, but unlike Enderle, this man is a patent attorney, so you can probably assume he has a little more knowledge of what he's talking about.

---
$ apt-get moo

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The court orders
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, June 09 2004 @ 07:48 PM EDT
It's obvious that the court orders issued by Magistrate
Wells require that SCO reveal information that is
pertinent to ALL cases, except Novell. Is there any way
for Delaware, Nevada, and Michigan to put pressure on SCO
to comply with these orders? Can they gang up with Utah
on this?

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AutoZone's Reply Memoranda
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, June 09 2004 @ 08:18 PM EDT
Regarding the pdf file AZ-25.pdf, "Reply Memorandum in Support of its
Motion To Stay or, In the Alternative, for a More Definite Statement", it
seems to me that there is an error in the very last line of the conclusion, pdf
page 17. It states "In the alternative, SCO requests that the Court direct
SCO to provide a more definite statement of its claims so that AutoZone can
frame a proper responsive pleading."

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[OT] more on the Alexis de Tocqueville study
Authored by: juhl on Wednesday, June 09 2004 @ 08:21 PM EDT

A recently released paper that analyze the history of the Linux Credits file touches on the Alexis de Tocqueville study and how some of their arguments are based on a draft version of the Credits file analysis. As I read it it more or less picks the adti arguments to pieces (one more :)
The document is here: http://www.fi rstmonday.org/issues/issue9_6/tuomi/index.html and the interresting section is 6. Credits and authorship

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Playing with fire
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, June 09 2004 @ 08:25 PM EDT
SCO has spent a year and a half dumping a pile of matches on a sandpaper floor,
and now AZ is making them roll in it.

Nice work!

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..just _one_ reason for the Nevada judge to deny AZ's motions... ;-)
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, June 09 2004 @ 08:50 PM EDT
..he's gonna miss all the fun. ;-D

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AutoZone's Reply Memoranda
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, June 09 2004 @ 08:52 PM EDT
So who is this mystery legal team?
I think a lot more of SCO's victims could use these amazing
guns for hire...and they'll only get better as they get more
familiar with the relevant information!

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AutoZone's Reply Memoranda
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, June 09 2004 @ 09:06 PM EDT
I'm concerned/confused...not sure which. Every time I read these court
transcripts I laugh at the absurdity of it all. I guess what I'm asking is :
are SCO's people really that stupid ? I mean this is an organisation that used
to be very successful and whilst I recognise that they have chosen a path that
didn't play out the way they expected, I can't believe that THEY are so confused
as to make contradictory arguments in concurrent cases. Just unbelievable...

My wife watches Days of Our Lives...I watch Groklaw...much more exciting, yet
strangely just as unbelievable !

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OT: Pep Boys to use Linux in point-of-sale systems
Authored by: perrye on Wednesday, June 09 2004 @ 09:22 PM EDT
It would seem IBM is not the least bit concerened about the AutoZone case. They have signed a deal with one of AutoZone's biggest competitors to install linux in all 595 stores and service centers ( 4 of them in Oklahoma City. )

June 4, 2004
Pe p Boys Partners With IBM to Invest in the Latest Retail Technology.
(more press releases)

I've always been unbiased about shopping at either PEPBOYS or AutoZone, and I shall continue to trade with both.

AutoZone has as many as 26 stores in the Greater Oklahoma City area covered by the Feist phone book, but they don't install what they sell.

More power to both!

Perry

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OT: SCO conference call tomorrow IMPORTANT and URGENT)
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, June 09 2004 @ 10:04 PM EDT
SCO have their conference call tomorrow

I have repeatedly said before that I think the most useful thing that we could
do would be to inspire a few pertinent questions from journalists. I would
especially re-emphasize that point, because SCO has indicated that they will
talk about the litigation during the conference call.

I am of the opinion, that we should encourage Darl to say as much as possible
and reiterate his previous comments. While it might be satisifying, we don't
want to "catch him out", shut up him, or make him look a fool - , as
that doesn't help our side with the litigation, instead we want him to reiterate
or expand on some of the claims that he has made previously. This will help our
side with the litigation as it will give all IBM, RH, AZ etc., more Darl quotes
to use

With this in mind, I would suggest these questions:

(1) Does SCO have evidence of copyright violations in Linux?

(2) How many lines of code are involved?

(3) Is IBM infringing SCO's copyrights with respect to Linux?

(4) Has SCO shown IBM the copyright violations as part of the litigation?

(5) How much damages are SCO entitled too? As the trial process seems to be
taking a long time, will it increase as the trial goes on?

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OT Discussion of AT&T vs BSD
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, June 09 2004 @ 10:37 PM EDT
I posted this once before, but I think it was on a stale article.

It seems like the sealed AT&T vs BSD lawsuit settlement comes up over and
over again in discussions about SCOx's alleged rights. I am curious and wonder
if anyone else would like to discuss the lawsuit and it's ruling: especially its
relevance and utility in our future. Please, anybody with insights chime in.
Here are a list of topics that I'd love to find out more about.

1) What are the chances that unsealing the settlement would have a positive
effect on OSS development? What negative effects might it have? Is it just not
worth discussing?

2) How could that be made to happen? What parties would have to agree to it?
SCO? Novell? AT&T itself? UCB? All of them? Does the court have to get
involved again? PJ do you have any info here?

3) What relevant parties might be amenable or disagreeable to that happening?
Why or why not? What carrots could be offered?

4) Has this been discussed in depth elsewhere? Especially the legal/procedural
side?

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Transcribing, Anyone?
Authored by: Steve Martin on Wednesday, June 09 2004 @ 10:44 PM EDT

Anyone interested in transcribing AZ-26? (I'm already about halfway through AZ-25, hope to have it done by tomorrow.)

---
"When I say something, I put my name next to it." -- Isaac Jaffee, "Sports Night"

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AutoZone's Reply Memoranda
Authored by: Glenn on Wednesday, June 09 2004 @ 11:16 PM EDT
From their memorandum in support of motions to stay etc.

' This rule "acknowledges that a patente's election to sue customers,
rather than a manufaturer itself, is often based upon a desire to intimidate a
smaller business" Ricoh 279F. Supp. 2D at 557'

Autozone's lawyers hhave done their homework and are pointing out that the
courts are aware of intimidation efforts, etc. in this "it may be cheaper
to settle than to litigate" age.

Glenn

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Delaware Court Enjoins SCOG against further lawsuits against Red Hat's customers???
Authored by: NastyGuns on Wednesday, June 09 2004 @ 11:23 PM EDT

Unless I've been asleep at the wheel, I have missed the action in the Red Hat vs SCOG case. In the Reply Memorandum in Support of its Motion to Stay or, In the Alternative, for a More Definite Statement around page 38 of the PDF is an order by the Delaware Court that vacates the April 6, 2004 order and also enjoins SCOG from "threatening to initiate suit or initiating any lawsuit against Red Hat or any of Red Hat's customers."

The only thing missing from that document however is signatures. So again, either I've been asleep and have missed the announcement of this order, or it's extremely recent. Or last option, it's a wishful order by Red Hat?

---
NastyGuns,
"If I'm not here, I've gone out to find myself. If I return before I get back, please keep me here." Unknown.

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SCO's expected answer why AutoZone should not be stayed
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, June 09 2004 @ 11:26 PM EDT
I expect SCO will say the Autozone case is about separate violations from those
alleged in the IBM case

(of course they will give no hint what those alleged violations are)

Actually they already said that in the opposition brief

Thus SCO argues, as the Autozone case is about separate issues from IBM,
Autozone should not be stayed.

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uscourts.gov
Authored by: stevem on Thursday, June 10 2004 @ 12:13 AM EDT
I wonder if the AZ lawyers deliberately put the url for uscourts in their
motion.

I know it's been mentioned before, but did anyone else notice that uscourts.gov
is apparently a linux/apache web server?

Ahh the irony....


- SteveM

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AutoZone's Luce'id response...:-)
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, June 10 2004 @ 10:52 AM EDT
"Age before beauty," to which Parker instantly quipped as she breezed
past Luce, "Pearls before swine."

To which Luce was recorded as saying:
"cultured (sic) before pure Ohio free-range sweet-meat".

Sorry but someone has to defend Luce... :-)

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