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IBM Goes on the Offensive and Asks for Partial Summary Judgment Now
Thursday, May 20 2004 @ 04:24 PM EDT

IBM has asked the court for partial summary judgment, a declaration that IBM does not infringe SCO's copyrights by its Linux activities, in its Cross-Motion for Partial Summary Judgment on its Claim for Declaratory Judgment of Non-Infringement, telling the court that since SCO has been unable or unwilling for so long to show any infringing code, and shouldn't be allowed to now, they request the court to wrap this part of the case up and issue a declaration of noninfringement "with respect to IBM's Linux activities (the 'Tenth Counterclaim')." This is a cross motion, not just a motion, because, as you recall, this is the IBM counterclaim that SCO has asked the court to dismiss or stay pending the outcome of the AutoZone case:

"SCO refuses . . . to disclose its purported evidence that IBM's Linux activities infringe SCO's alleged copyrights, despite two court orders requiring it to do so.

"2. IBM asked SCO (more than seven months ago) to identify the precise lines of Linux code in which it claims rights, and the precise lines of code in the UNIX software from which SCO alleges such Linux code is copied or derives. Unless SCO can match up the lines of code in Linux to which it claims rights to the precise lines of code in the UNIX software over which SCO claims copyright protection, SCO cannot show copyright infringement.

"3. Based upon SCO's failure to come forth with evidence to demonstrate infringement, summary judgment should be entered in favor of IBM on its claim that IBM's Linux activities do not infringe SCO's alleged copyrights relating to UNIX."

There is, as always, a Memorandum in Support. If they refuse or are unable to back up their allegations, IBM adds, they can't prove any claim of copyright infringement. There is no need for more discovery on this issue, they argue, because SCO already has had access to all the info it needs to prove its claim "and yet is unable to proffer any evidence of copyright infringement." SCO shouldn't be allowed to adduce evidence now. They ask for a hearing where oral arguments can be heard at the same time that SCO's Motion to Dismiss or Stay is heard.

What do I think it means? I think it means that SCO couldn't find anything significant in its deep dive into the AIX code they whined and whined to get, and IBM knows it.

Also, it is a strategy thing. Even if they don't win their Cross Motion, it places the issue before Kimball. This is not Judge Wells, who is familiar with SCO's ways, and they want to be sure he has the whole picture. Also, he seems to be an upright judge, but what if he were not? You always want to box a judge into a position where he sort of can't ignore your position without looking mighty bad. If Kimball was thinking about granting SCO's motion to dismiss or stay IBM's Counterclaim 10, he will have a harder time doing it now. And don't forget one of SCO's arguments is that this counterclaim should wait, if it isn't dismissed, until AutoZone is decided, because that is the true copyright case, and that argument is currently before Judge Kimball. He can't fail to connect the dots now in the SCO shell game, not that he seems to miss anything anyway, but just in case, IBM spells it out for him. That's why IBM asks that this cross motion be heard as the same time as argument on SCO's motion to dismiss or stay the same counterclaim. I surely want to watch SCO dance as fast as it can at *that* hearing, if Kimball grants IBM's request and hears them both at the same time.

In the Memorandum in Support, IBM says that SCO's claims in the litigation and its public accusations "are part of a broader campaign":

"SCO's scheme is to make sweeping claims of ownership to Linux and to tout the strength of its case against IBM publicly, while at the same time seeking to obfuscate its claims and avoid producing its alleged evidence, so as to defer judicial resolution of the matter for as long as possible."

Mr. Blepp's recent interview in Germany is referenced, about SCO's strategy being "not to be forthcoming with its alleged evidence," and quoting his remark that "you don't put everything on the table at the start, but instead you bring out arguments and evidence piece by piece." And then IBM says this:

"Consistent with its strategy, SCO has yet to identify a single line of code from the UNIX software that IBM is alleged to have misused in violation of any of SCO's 'UNIX intellectual property rights', despite two orders by Magistrate Judge Wells requiring SCO to do so. When pressed to identify specific code in the UNIX software that contained the trade secrets IBM allegedly misappropriated, SCO delayed for months in coming forward with the information, and ultimately withdrew its claim altogether. Similarly, with respect to SCO's contract claims, despite months of delay SCO still has not identified the specific code contained in UNIX System V that IBM allegedly misused in violation of its licenses to that software.

"Of particular relevance to this motion, SCO has also failed to adduce any evidence of copyright infringement by IBM. . . . Although SCO has identified certain materials in Linux to which it claims rights (albeit without the required specificity), SCO fails altogether to show how IBM's Linux activities infringe SCO's alleged copyrights concerning UNIX software. Again, SCO has not ever linked (and cannot link) the material in Linux to which it claims rights to specific lines of the UNIX software over which SCO claims copyright protection and that IBM can be shown to infringe."

SCO tried to point to 160 lines of SGI code once, IBM adds in a footnote, but that code was removed from Linux and SCO has never explained how IBM (or anybody else, for that matter) has infringed any of SCO's purported rights with this code. No discovery was ever needed to decide this matter. SCO has had all the evidence it needs to prove infringement since before it filed, the source code to which SCO claims to hold copyrights and Linux, which is publicly available. Yet it "has been unable to proffer the evidence of copyright infringement..." For that reason, under Rule 37(b)(2) , they should not even be allowed to adduce evidence on this issue.

In footnote 4, IBM tells the court that it "believes . . . that SCO's contract claims are also susceptible to summary adjudication and intends to move for summary judgment on those claims at an appropriate time." SCO claims to have evidence in support of its claims, but it "refused to disclose all of that evidence to IBM":

"In fact, SCO seeks to dismiss or stay IBM's claim for a declaration of non-infringement on the theory that, while the future of the global economy may hang in the balance, the issue of IBM's copyright infringement should be decided not in this case involving IBM, but in the case SCO just filed against AutoZone, Inc., an auto parts company that has had little, if anything, to do with the development of Linux."

Yes, lawyers have a sense of humor too. They are definitely having some fun. Happily, Judge Kimball has given evidence of possessing a similar refreshing sense of humor.

IBM also filed their Memorandum in Opposition to SCO's Motion to Dismiss or Stay Count Ten of IBM's 2nd Amended Counterclaims. We've been publicly accused of copyright infringement by SCO for over a year, IBM tells Kimball. What a waste of resources if we have to now freeze in our tracks until AutoZone is decided, which hasn't even begun discovery and has asked for a delay until we are done here and Novell's matter is finished too. We're ready for a decision now on this counterclaim. Discovery on this counterclaim is done. And besides, SCO's accusations have been against IBM and others, and it wouldn't be just to make everyone wait. SCO is playing a shell game, IBM says, trying to avoid judicial review of this claim, part of its campaign of sowing FUD.

Oh, and by the way, Your Honor, IBM adds with a smile, there is the matter of Red Hat, a case SCO failed to tell you about in its motion. In that case, SCO has moved to dismiss Red Hat's case "in part on the theory that 'the infringement . . . issues Red Hat seeks to adjudicate in this case are currently before U.S. District Judge Dale A. Kimball in the SCO v. IBM case pending in Utah Federal District Court." The court denied their motion to dismiss but she did stay the case while the IBM case goes forward. When Red Hat recently asked for a reconsideration of the stay, SCO argued against lifting the stay, saying that "the IBM case [and IBM's Tenth Counterclaim specifically] will address central issues raised in this lawsuit" and "it would be 'a waste of judicial resources' and the resources of the parties, to litigate this case while a substantially similar question is being litigated in federal district court in Utah."

So, follow the pea as we explain the shell game, IBM sums up. In Delaware, they argued successfully that Red Hat should wait for IBM to go first in Utah. Now it says in Utah that AutoZone should go first in Nevada, where AutoZone is seeking a stay pending resolution of this case in Utah. "SCO should not be allowed continually to put off adjudication of its copyright claims." IBM should be granted summary judgment, or in the alternative SCO's motion to dismiss or stay should be denied and Kimball should retain jurisdiction over IBM's 10th counterclaim. We're ready to go, IBM says. AutoZone has only just been filed. So the so-called "first-filed rule" on which SCO relied in its motion, does not support SCO's position. Then IBM has a fine time quoting Darl over and over and over, listing numerous threats and claims that the use of Linux infringes SCO's copyrights, and calling it all a "campaign to create the false and/or unsubstantiated impression that SCO has rights to UNIX and Linux that it does not have." Their FUD includes "making claims that SCO's alleged copyrights to the UNIX software cover material in Linux." They also, IBM adds in footnote 1, amended their complaint to formally assert copyright infringement, in direct response to which IBM filed its Tenth Counterclaim.

After months of discovery and two court orders, SCO still hasn't responded to IBM's interrogatories asking SCO to be specific and present its evidence. If our goal is the preservation of judicial resources, IBM says with a bit of a curled lip, granting our motion for summary judgment would achieve that noble goal. Such a declaration "would effectively resolve the copyright issues concerning Linux in this case, as well as the issues in the Red Hat and AutoZone case." After all, IBM reminds the court, SCO told the Red Hat judge that the stay shouldn't be lifted because the issue of "whether Linux contains misappropriated UNIX code" is "also raised directly by IBM's Tenth Counterclaim against SCO" and so should be decided first.

As for SCO's "first-filed" argument, they offered no cases to support their position and anyway, that rule only applies if the parties are the same in two cases in different districts, so IBM's counterclaim should be considered filed first:

"When a claim that is newly added to an action relates to earlier claims raised in the same action, courts accord the later-filed claim the filing date of the prior pleading for purposes of a motion based on duplicative litigation."

SCO's representations to the Delaware judge in the Red Hat case show they view the IBM case as one involving infringement of SCO's purported copyrights. IBM's earlier filed counterclaims, filed in August of 2003, also concerned SCO's assertions, in its public FUD, which IBM mentioned in those earlier counterclaims, that Linux infringes its copyrights to the UNIX software. The issue came up as far back as March of 2003. IBM's 10th counterclaim addresses that same issue, obviously, but it wasn't the first time the issue came up in IBM's pleadings. The 10th counterclaim relates back to these earlier pleadings going back to March of 2003 and so should be considered filed before SCO's case against AutoZone, which wasn't filed until March of 2004. And anyway, IBM points out, the court has discretion not to apply the first-filed rule.

With that, IBM asks the court to deny SCO's motion to dismiss or stay IBM's Tenth Counterclaim. The Memorandum makes reference to exhibits, which we hope to have for you soon. Some of them, as you'll see, such as SCO's letter to the 1500 corporations, we have published earlier. Note IBM makes reference to SCO's arguments in opposition to Red Hat's request for reconsideration of the stay, which is a pleading we don't have yet but hope to have soon.

You'll notice too that in footnote 3 of IBM's Memorandum in Support of its cross motion, it makes reference to the Novell-SCO dispute over copyright ownership, but it tells Judge Kimball that he need not decide the question of ownership to decide IBM's cross motion. It doesn't matter to IBM who wins that battle. The question is whether IBM's Linux activities violate the copyrights, regardless of who owns them.


  


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Mistakes and Typos here Please
Authored by: penfold on Thursday, May 20 2004 @ 06:08 PM EDT


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Blood from a turnip? That's easy! Try getting SCOX to produce evidence!

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Comments and corrections here.
Authored by: sam on Thursday, May 20 2004 @ 06:09 PM EDT
Missing link to memorandum in support.

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Don't forget. IAAL. (I am a layman.)

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URLs and OT posts
Authored by: penfold on Thursday, May 20 2004 @ 06:10 PM EDT


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Blood from a turnip? That's easy! Try getting SCOX to produce evidence!

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IBM Goes on the Offensive and Asks for Partial Summary Judgment Now
Authored by: chaz_paw on Thursday, May 20 2004 @ 06:18 PM EDT
I think the "Great Blue Sharks" smell blood.

Charles

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United we stand.

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IBM Goes on the Offensive and Asks for Partial Summary Judgment Now
Authored by: leguirerj on Thursday, May 20 2004 @ 06:20 PM EDT
Time for talk is over! lets bring it om!

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No More Mr. Nice Nazgul!
Authored by: Tsu Dho Nimh on Thursday, May 20 2004 @ 06:26 PM EDT
They are using SCO's own words and procrastination against them, very
effectively.

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IBM Goes on the Offensive and Asks for Partial Summary Judgment Now
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, May 20 2004 @ 06:29 PM EDT
It is very interesting that IBM has not included any mention of the Novell
copyrights situation - they want a declaration that they haven't done anything
wrong regardless of this issue.

Of course, this bombshell is just sitting there in reserve, just waiting to be
launched......

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OT: More portents of dusk approaching
Authored by: Tim Ransom on Thursday, May 20 2004 @ 06:38 PM EDT
BEA Plans Open-Source Project To Promote Java (sorry to link to ECT, but story is interesting)

"Project Beehive will enable faster innovation by opening up key pieces of the stack that complement and enhance already open components, like Tomcat, so that innovation isn't constrained by the Java Community Process."

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Thanks again,

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IBM Goes on the Offensive and Asks for Partial Summary Judgment Now
Authored by: sprag on Thursday, May 20 2004 @ 06:57 PM EDT
Looks like the memo is asking for sanctions as well...a nice touch.

Seems to me that IBM is ready to start pushing for this to start (and therefore
end!)

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SCO's shell game: primary and secondary infringers
Authored by: mk270 on Thursday, May 20 2004 @ 07:06 PM EDT
SCO wants to be able to collect licensing fees or damages from two classes of
people: those who supposedly infringed its IP by sticking it in their products
(IBM, Redhat, SGI, etc), and those who use these products (AutoZone, Daimler
Chrysler, EV1, Lehman Brothers, Joe Linux user at large, etc).

Here's the logical crux of the matter: if there was no infringement by
developers, for whatever reason, then the users are in the clear. That is to
say, if the first set (IBM, etc) is empty of infringers, then the second set (of
all Linux users) must be empty of infringers too.

SCO is trying to extract money from people in the second set without first
proving in court that the first set is non-empty. If a couple of people from the
second set would just pay up, or even better settle a lawsuit out of court, that
would scare enough others into paying up too, without ever needing to prove any
copyright infringement anywhere. SCO's second set targets were well-chosen:
well-known companies with existing contractual ties to SCO. Any contractual
breach found by the court could be misrepresented as some sort of copyright
infringement, and encourage other users to pay up.

It didn't work that way: suing not a representative Linux user, but instead a
company already tightly embroiled in the SCO saga, was the last nail in SCO's
credibility for me. If they were confident in their copyright claims, they could
have sued someone totally unconnected with themselves, but they mustn't have had
that confidence.

SCO has finally been forced by the court to provide IBM with a certification
that it has declared to IBM all the instances of copyright infringement it has
found. IBM's documents suggest that SCO has barely come up with anything at
all.

SCO's was a clever gamble, but they weren't able to pull it off. They might well
have been able to scare a substantial number of corporations into paying up and
generating a bandwagon effect, but they weren't. PJ, the decent folk of Groklaw,
and the Yahoo Finance SCOX board can give themselves a collective virtual pat on
the back for their part in wrecking SCO's credibility.

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IBM Goes on the Offensive and Asks for Partial Summary Judgment Now
Authored by: Jude on Thursday, May 20 2004 @ 07:11 PM EDT
These motions almost scream "Your Honor, SCO is deliberately abusing the
court system!". It will be interesting to see how Judge Kimball reacts.

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Cross-motion?
Authored by: Fruny on Thursday, May 20 2004 @ 07:22 PM EDT
I assume a cross-motion is a motion targeting a motion? Are there any subtle
issues one should be aware of to fully understand what's going on? (Not that it
isn't clear they're going for the throat)

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  • Cross-motion? - Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, May 23 2004 @ 11:48 PM EDT
IBM Goes on the Offensive and Asks for Partial Summary Judgment Now
Authored by: eric76 on Thursday, May 20 2004 @ 07:37 PM EDT
IBM is clearly asking for a summary judgement that covers both their own
contributions of code to Linux and their own use and distribution of Linux as an
end user.

If IBM is granted the summary judgement, it would seem to me that it would be
saying that if IBM as an end user does not infringe on SCO's rights, than no end
user infringes on SCO's rights.

Of course, it wouldn't be a precendent requiring all other courts to follow it,
but don't other federal courts generally look to such cases for guidance and are
slow to come to a different conclusion?

Of course, there are cases where different federal courts have found differently
and there is no clear precent that covers the entire country.

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Changing the system state - flipping the flip-flop
Authored by: freeio on Thursday, May 20 2004 @ 07:51 PM EDT
Quite frankly, this is a good chance for IBM to change the system state.  There seems to be a presumption built into the tort law system that cases can continue as long as the parties do not settle, and as long as ever more dust is being thrown in the air.  This works in the plaintiff's advantage, as the plaintiff brought the suit in the first place, and thus is the proximate cause of there being a lawsuit before the court.  At some point, though, it is possible to show that a meritless case is meritelss, and that it is indeed wasting not just the litigants' time but the courts' also.  This seems to be just such a moment.

Furthermore, because this "house-of-cards" set of interrelated cases depend upon mutual delay to continue, the most propitious way to stop wasting the courts' time is to resolve the major issue upon which the other cases also rely.  Once solved, the logjam is broken, and there is then at least some hope of justice.

Marty

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Tux et bona et fortuna est.

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IBM Goes on the Offensive and Asks for Partial Summary Judgment Now
Authored by: jkondis on Thursday, May 20 2004 @ 07:56 PM EDT
Go IBM! Burn The Filthy SCO Group to the ground! Those thieving frauds should
learn a lesson or two about:

- lying and attempting to hijack the works of thousands of others,
- manipulating your stocks through the press to make a fortune on your options,
- insulting and attacking those who dedicate so much of their time to the public
good,
- and being a willing sock puppet of deeper, villainous, illegal, illegitimate,
and abusive monopolistic corporations.

Burn burn burn!

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Don't steal. Microsoft hates competition.

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10th. Counterclaim and Interrogatories
Authored by: ChrisP on Thursday, May 20 2004 @ 08:19 PM EDT
Just for easy reference, here's the text.

TENTH COUNTERCLAIM

Declaratory Judgment of Noninfringement of Copyrights

168. IBM repeats and realleges the averments in paragraphs 1 through 167 with
the same force and effect as though they were set forth fully herein.

169. As discussed above, SCO purports to hold copyrights relating to UNIX
software.

170. SCO has sued IBM claiming that IBM has infringed, induced the infringement
of, and contributed to the infringement of, SCO's purported UNIX copyrights by,
among other things, continuing to "reproduce, prepare derivative works of,
and distribute copyrighted UNIX materials through its activities relating to
Linux.

171. IBM does not believe that its activities relating to Linux, including any
use, reproduction and improvement of Linux, infringe, induce the infringement
of, or contribute to the infringement of valid, enforceable copyrights owned by
SCO.

172. An actual controversy exists between SCO and IBM as to the noninfringement
ofSCO' s copyrights and the validity of any purported SCO copyrights concerning
UNIX.

173. IBM is entitled to a declaratory judgment pursuant to 28 U. C. 9 2201 that
IBM does not infringe, induce the infringement of, or contribute to the
infringement of any SCO copyright through its Linux activities, including its
use, reproduction and improvement of Linux, and that some or all of SCO' s
purported copyrights in UNIX are invalid and unenforceable.

INTERROGATORY NO. 12

Please identify, with specificity (by file and line of code), (a) all source
code and other material in Linux (including but not limited to the Linux kernel,
any Linux operating system and any Linux distribution) to which plaintiff has
rights; and (b) the nature of plaintiff s rights, including but not limited to
whether and how the code or other material derives from UNIX.

SUPPLEMENTAL RESPONSE TO INTERROGATORY NO 12:

SCO objects to this question as overly broad and unduly burdensome, and on the
basis that it seeks information neither relevant nor calculated to reasonably
lead to the discovery of admissible evidence insofar as it requests the identity
of source code and other material in Linux contributed to Linux by parties other
than IBM or Sequent...

INTERROGATORY NO. 13

For each line of code and other material identified in response to Interrogatory
No. 12, please state whether (a) IBM has infringed plaintiff's rights, and for
any rights IBM is alleged to have infringed, describe in detail how IBM is
alleged to have infringed plaintiff's rights; and (b) whether plaintiff has ever
distributed the code or other material or otherwise made it available to the
public, as part of a Linux distribution or otherwise, and, if so, the
circumstances under which it was distributed or otherwise made available, when
it was distributed or made available, to whom it was distributed or made
available, and the terms under which it was distributed or made available (such
as under the GPL or any other license).

SUPPLEMENTAL RESPONSE TO INTERROGATORY 13:

SCO objects to this question on the basis that it is overly broad and unduly
burdensome and seeks information neither relevant nor reasonably calculated to
lead to the discovery of admissible evidence insofar as it requests the identity
of source code and other material in Linux contributed to Linux by parties other
than IBM or Sequent...

My Comment:
So IBM is asking for judgement on the first part of para 173, not on whether or
not SCOG owns UNIX copyrights.

Interrogatory 12 asks for all the code that SCOG claims in Linux with reasons,
so this would cover the AZ and RH cases too. And everyone else. The answer was
deficient.

Interrogatory 13 asks for evidence of IBMs infringements on the code in no. 12.
No specifics were provided, so IBM can ask for judgement on the 10th.
counterclaim.

Refs: IBM's Second Amended Counterclaims Lists 9 Newly Registered Copyrights
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20040331043539340
Exhibit 1 to IBM's Report on SCO's Compliance
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20040215015800694

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SCO^WM$^WIBM^W dammit, no-one paid me to say this.

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SCO on the Ropes?
Authored by: ujay on Thursday, May 20 2004 @ 08:24 PM EDT
Page 30 of the Memorandum of suport had a wonderful gem of inescapable logic that suggested to me that IBM has a double barreled shotgun pointed at the heart of SCO's claims.

SCO has advised the court that it has provided complete and detailed responses to the court's orders. If that is true, then summary judgement is appropriate because SCO has no evidence of IBM's alleged infringement (as SCO has adduced none). If it is not true, then summary judgement is appropriate because SCO has not only defied two orders of the Court, but it has also falsely certified that it has provided complete, detailed and thorough answers to IBM's interrogatories and the Court's orders.

By their own admission, they could not prove their claims, or their admission was a lie in the first place. Oh, and by the way, the ignored your orders

What a marvelous corner to stick SCO into.

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Programmer: A biological system designed to convert coffee and cheesies into code

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LETS GET READY TO RUMBLE!!!!
Authored by: stormkrow on Thursday, May 20 2004 @ 08:24 PM EDT
http://www.ilovewavs.com/Holidays/July4/TAPS.wav

I'm freakin salivating
here...
If the hearing goes thru....what a wonderful transcript that would be. I
smell tv mini-series.
I'll play the Scarecrow.

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Blake Stowell - SCO didn't comply with the court orders
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, May 20 2004 @ 08:30 PM EDT
http://www.infoworld.com/article/04/05/20/HNscohand_1.html
SCO is likely to produce more evidence to support its claims, said Blake Stowell, an SCO spokesman. On April 19, IBM turned over 232 versions of its AIX and Dynix Unix source code as well as internal documents and memos from executives, he said.

"Our lawyers are still going through much of the evidence IBM turned over as part of the discovery process... I'm confident that there is still other evidence that will come forward on order for us to be able to prove those claims," Stowell said.


SCO have twice been ordered to produce all their evidence.

SCO have twice issued sworn affidavits saying that they have produced all their evidence

Yet here we have Stowell saying straight out, they plan to produce "more evidence".

Hello Blake??? If you had indeed produce all, then there wouldn't be any "more evidence" to produce.

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Telling... IBM states latest discovery was no more detailed?
Authored by: BlueSmurf on Thursday, May 20 2004 @ 08:33 PM EDT
"Rather than match the precise lines of code in Linux to which SCO claims rights to the precise lines of code in the UNIX software over which SCO claims copyright protection, SCO simply states that all of the material in Linux to which SCO claims rights matches all of the UNIX software over which SCO claims copyright protection..."

Am I correct in my reading of this as:

In the most recently submitted discovery by SCO, they still didn't mention with specifity (as they were ordered) all infringing lines of code?

Can someone explain why they wouldn't at least have tried to do this? To me, if they did as the judge had ordered, it might have at least gotten to trial, even if it was later proved that they didn't own the code, or the code was in the public domain. If the case went to trial that would be another year of FUD delay. To not do as the judge ordered seems counterproductive to SCO's FUD campaign. And EVERYONE knows that the judge wanted specific lines of code identified (by this I mean, it was obvious by the way the judge put the order, the judge didn't want any more "this file is a copy" stuff, but line details and who had access to the offending line of code).

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Something to add to IBM's reply brief in support of cross motion ---Nazgul missed a trick?
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, May 20 2004 @ 08:44 PM EDT
A small point, but I think the IBM nazgul missed one small trick. Perhaps this
is something IBM can mention in their reply brief (when it's eventually filed)
in support of their cross motion for summary judgement.

IBM cited numerous instances where SCO threatened IBM with copyright claims,
either in court, or in SCO's PR activities.

In this list IBM omitted to mention document 55, "Plaintiff's Memorandum of
Law In Opposition To IBM's Motion To Compel Discovery" pages 6-7

In this motion SCO claims their SCOforum trade show presentation "In fact,
Slide 8 does not mention trade secrets at all, but rather illustrates SCO's
bases for a copyright infringement action."

Of course, SCO then misleading goes on to say it was a potential copyright
action against nobody in particular and/or SGI that they are talking about. IBM
of course goes on to demolish this (cite how the presentation is about IBM in
numerous specific aspects in document 63 "IBM's Reply Memorandum in Support
of its Motion to Compel Disovery")

Anyway, the point is SCO told the court that they were figuring on a potential
copyright infringement claim on OCTOBER 23rd.

What's more the supposed copyright claim is about code in Linux, not about IBM's
continued distribution of AIX/Dynix.



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"There is no justice, just due process!"
Authored by: freeio on Thursday, May 20 2004 @ 08:55 PM EDT
How terribly true!

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Tux et bona et fortuna est.

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Hoist by one's own petard
Authored by: darthaggie on Thursday, May 20 2004 @ 09:28 PM EDT
This is a prime example...

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IBM Goes on the Offensive and Asks for Partial Summary Judgment Now
Authored by: Bill The Cat on Thursday, May 20 2004 @ 11:26 PM EDT
You'll notice too that in footnote 3 of IBM's Memorandum in Support of its cross motion, it makes reference to the Novell-SCO dispute over copyright ownership, but it tells Judge Kimball that he need not decide the question of ownership to decide IBM's cross motion. It doesn't matter to IBM who wins that battle. The question is whether IBM's Linux activities violate the copyrights, regardless of who owns them.

The memorandum states repeatedly that SCO claim is violation of SCO's copyrights but I found it interesting that IBM failed to highlight the fact that SCO, may in fact, not even own the copyrights that is is accused of infringing. I find this to be an interesting tactic.

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Bill Catz

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Record the hearing?
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, May 21 2004 @ 12:25 AM EDT
If there's a hearing, any chance of someone making it there?

A chance to hear Darl squeal....

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IBM is about to show SCO what comes after foreplay.
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, May 21 2004 @ 12:49 AM EDT
As a lurker here for that last few months, I have been amazed at the antics that
SCO has gotten away with in this case. While IANAL, the amount of money and
time, especially the court's time and money, wasted by SCO in this obviously
fraudulent case is criminal in itself. I hope after IBM makes an example of SCO,
they are awarded legal fees and compensitory damages that break them. (Sorry,
Baystar...)

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I wanted another 'hand waving' quote.
Authored by: kawabago on Friday, May 21 2004 @ 12:54 AM EDT
These arguments were just a little dry, not even a little sarcasm. I guess the
Boise Boys case is so poorly constructed it doesn't deserve eloquence.

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Open source isnt socialistic
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, May 21 2004 @ 01:25 AM EDT
I, as citizen of former Soviet Union, can confirm, what Open Source isnt against
democracy and isnt "socialist" movement. Our lector of economy once
said, what socialism is "state capitalism", or monopoly of state. If
free source movement is fighting against monopoly, its fights against socialism
as well.

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Very Very Nice
Authored by: mobrien_12 on Friday, May 21 2004 @ 02:46 AM EDT
I read the motion and memorandum, as well as PJ's excellent reporting. This is
a very logical argument. Here is a sort of short summary of the events as I see
them.

SCO: IBM infringes on our IP!

IBM: What are you talking about?

SCO: IBM took our trade secrets and our copyrighted stuff.

IBM: What trade secrets and copyrighted stuff?

SCO: We won't tell you.

IBM: Magistrate, make them tell us.

Wells: Tell IBM with specificity.

SCO: We need IBM's source code first!

IBM: Magistrate, make them tell us.

Wells: Tell IBM with specificity.

SCO: Ok we will.

SCO: We are dropping the trade secrets claim. It's all about derivative works
now.

IBM: Magistrate, they didn't tell us.

SCO: We need IBM's source code first!

IBM: Bull.

Magistrate: SCO tell IBM with specificity. IBM, give SCO the appropriate
source code at the same time.

SCO: We have complied with the court order.

IBM: There is no specificity.

SCO: We have complied with the court order.

Blepp: I have all the evidence in my suitcase!

SCO: Hold off on the RedHat case until IBM's counterclaim is settled.

RedHat: This is weak. Our business is being damaged while we wait for IBM's
counterclaim to be settled.

SCO: Dismiss IBM's counterclaim, please.

Blepp: Our strategy is not to show everything at once.

IBM: Judge, they told us they had given us everything. They promised us that
this was everything that they had that we asked for. What they gave us isn't
even close to proving copyright infringement of SysV in Linux. Please rule on
this counterclaim.

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  • Very Very Nice - Authored by: archonix on Friday, May 21 2004 @ 07:03 AM EDT
  • Very Very Nice - Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, May 21 2004 @ 07:12 AM EDT
    • Ack! - Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, May 21 2004 @ 12:18 PM EDT
      • Ack! - Authored by: eskild on Friday, May 21 2004 @ 01:18 PM EDT
IBM Goes on the Offensive and Asks for Partial Summary Judgment Now
Authored by: wharris on Friday, May 21 2004 @ 03:57 AM EDT
I'm very glad to see the beginning of the end to the SCO madness. But I also
see a potential problem with this particular motion. SCO includes the 160
lines of SGI's malloc code in its miniscule list of Linux code it has rights to.

IBM admits to copying Linux, and it should not be overly difficult to show that

IBM copied the 160 SGI lines at least once. IBM can offer a huge number of
arguments why it does not owe SCO any damages for this (SCO doesn't own
System V; Even if SCO owns System V SGI may have used the public domain
Sys32 version; Even if SCO owns SystemV which SGI used, the changes
between SystemV and Sys32 are too miniscule to count as copyright ..... on
and on and on). However, SCO may be able to use this tiny example of
potential copyright infrigement to rule that all the mitigating factors should
be brought up at trial rather than right now.

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IBM Goes on the Offensive and Asks for Partial Summary Judgment Now
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, May 21 2004 @ 04:36 AM EDT
This sentence seems to be incomplete (my proposed correction is in square
brackets):

SCO has had all the evidence it needs to prove infringement since before it
filed, [it had access to both] the source code to which SCO claims to hold
copyrights and Linux, which is publicly available.

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OT- Alexis de Tocqueville book research
Authored by: MikeA on Friday, May 21 2004 @ 06:08 AM EDT
This is too ridiculous. Here is a copy of a request someone discovered by a Justin Orndorff who was doing research for Tocqeville. (Taken from the yahoo board):

I'm conducting some research on behalf of the Alexis de Tocqueville Institution in Washington, DC. I'd like if someone could shed some light on the following questions:

1. Describe the components of an operating system, besides the central component, the kernel.
2. What do programmers usually develop first, the compiler or the kernel?
3. Does this sequence impact the OS at all?
4. What's more complicated, the kernel or the compiler?
5. Why does operating system development take as long as it does? What are the three key things in operating system development that take the longest to perfect?
6. Do you need operating systems familiarity to write a kernel? Yes / no? Elaborate please.
7. In your opinion, why aren't there more operating systems on the market?

Thanks for your time. Best,
Justin Orndorff

And one person's response....

by: jwhitf "The part that I find disturbing is the date. May fifth? And the book announced was announced May fourteenth? The press release said, "Brown's account is based on extensive interviews with more than two dozen leading technologists including Richard Stallman, Dennis Ritchie, and Andrew Tanenbaum." But he had a research assistant asking this kind of question nine days before? What did he talk to the "technologists" about? The weather? He couldn't have been talking about operating systems because he obviously didn't know the basic background information."

Personally, I think questions 6 & 7 are the most hilarious, but I wonder if this kid is doing research for the Linux/Linus book or something completely different. It seems too late to be asking those kinds of questions.

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Change is merely the opportunity for improvement.

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Are we going to see the exibits?
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, May 21 2004 @ 06:47 AM EDT
On page 21 of the supporting motion, point 43, IBM says that SCO identifies four
general categories of stuff it believes it has right in:

"and (4) an assortment of code identified for the first time in an April
19, 2004 supliment to SCO's discovery responses. (See Exs. 26, 27 ,28,
34.)"

Are we ever likely to see this code?

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OT: The word for today...
Authored by: archonix on Friday, May 21 2004 @ 07:32 AM EDT
Darl, this is for you.

From my copy of the UCB "the word for today".

Friday May 21.
>
'... everyone will have to account for every careless word they have spoken.' Matthew 12:36 CEV.

We're hardly surprised when God condemns profane, sinful words, saying they '... come from an evil heart...' (Matthew 15:18 NLT). But how about the 'careless words' you speak without considering their effect on others? If you think he just winks at them, think again! Listen: '... Every one ... is going to come back to haunt you. There will be a time of Reckoning ... take them seriously' (Matthew 12:36 TM). Your words create or destroy, encourage or inspire, heal or hurt, so choose yours carefully today!

A wise person said, 'Blessed are they who have nothing to say and who can't be pursuaded to say it!' Careless words are often the meaningless chatter you engage in when you're nothing important to contribute. As harmless as they seem, the more you do it, the more likely you are to deteriorate in to gossip and criticism. The Bible says we should be, '... swift to hear, slow to speak...' (James 1:19 NKJ). And Solomonm adds "Even fools are thought wise when they keep silent...' (Proverbs 17:28 NLT). Would you trust someone who has a frivilous comment for everything?

So, Pause, and think about what comes out of your mouth. Would you get more respect and cause less confusion if you kept it closed more often? Or were more discerning about the kind of stories you tell? Or thought twice before 'shooting from the hip'? David prayed. 'Make the words of my mouth... be pleasing to You...' (Psalm 19:14 NLT). Today make that your prayer too!


I felt it would be better to quite the entire thing in full. UCB doesn't, as far as I know, claim any copyright over the text of their word for today books, and there's no copyright claim in the book itself... they like stuff like this to be shared. Anyway, ignore the bits that you don't want to read. The general thrust of it is just classic for today... :D

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The only money being made here is by Sue, Grabbit and Rune.

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Transcription of IBM-153.pdf
Authored by: JeR on Friday, May 21 2004 @ 08:16 AM EDT
More info here (pp. 1-12 almost finished, 13-36 not taken).

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"We don't want them to duck the subpoena!" [laughs]
Authored by: belzecue on Friday, May 21 2004 @ 08:46 AM EDT
The time seems right to turn over the rock that 'high profile' litigator David Boies has been hiding under for the past six months.

David, you will recall, starred in two (2) SCO conferences:

  • 2003-07-21 Conference Call -- Boies says about 700 words in total.
  • 2003-11-18 Conference Call -- Boies utters about 440 words.

So the public face of David Boies nee SCO has delivered -- and this includes court face-time (nada) -- a little over a thousand words. For a year's worth of litigation. Man, the dude's shrewd, you gotta admit. He must be kicking back right now, lighting up them fat ol' Cuban cigars with flaming thousand dollar bills. You know, the thousand dollar bills that SCO keeps pouring into Boies's bottomless million-dollar retainer fund.

"As a litigator, I always assume these cases are going to go to a court resolution, and that's really what I'm preparing to do ...

"... the company is interested in a resolution of this issue that protects its copyright, the intellectual property rights, without litigation. If litigation is necessary, I think the company has shown in its suit with IBM that it's prepared to do that, but that is not the first or even second choice. You get to litigation here only if the other choices don't work out.

"I think that obviously we've made a lot of progress since this started in identifying the specifics of the use of SCO's intellectual property and copyrights. I think that what the company did was begin with those claims, like the contract claim against IBM, that it had certain evidence of. And there were concerns and questions and the company was public about those, but what has happened since is that we have taken those concerns, and by investigation discovered what the actual evidence is. And I think what you see today is a reflection of the developing evidentiary base that the company has developed.

"Now we're going to continue to vigorously prosecute the existing litigation against IBM, but you will be seeing in the near term -- and again I don't want to get into the specifics of the identification of the defendant or the specifics of the timing -- but you will be seeing the identification of a significant user that has not paid license fees and is in fact using the proprietary and copyrighted material.

"We don't want them to duck the subpoena! [laughs]

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Novell Contract Argument
Authored by: grendelkhan on Friday, May 21 2004 @ 09:16 AM EDT

What surprises me is that IBM has not pulled out the APA where OldSCO agreed that it cannot do anything to previous licensees without Novell's approval and Novell has ordered SCOX to knock it off. That, right there, would put this entire case into the crapper.

I understand wanting to prove that you did nothing wrong, but I would think that if you want to end this case quickly, you'd just whip out the APA and Novell's letter to SCOX and it'd be case closed.

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Cnet has an article on it
Authored by: ray08 on Friday, May 21 2004 @ 09:55 AM EDT
located here

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OT: scientists 'banned' by proprietary company
Authored by: m_si_M on Friday, May 21 2004 @ 09:56 AM EDT
Individual scientists and scientific organizations were 'banned' by Gaussian
Inc. which means they are prohibited to use their software if they compare
performance and results to other software, especially Open Source projects, such
as GAMESS.

Scientists concerned announced that "some practices of Gaussian, Inc. [...]
can undermine basic scientific ideals."

Gaussian Inc. justified its actions with the protection of intellectual
property.

So much for the relation between IP and scientific progress.

Here are some links:


http://www.bannedbygaussian.org/
http://www.msg.ameslab.gov/GAMESS/GAMESS.html

http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/47552 (German)

http://www.nature.com/dynasearch/app/dynasearch.taf (subscription required)

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C.S.

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So what is better?
Authored by: Rob M on Friday, May 21 2004 @ 09:57 AM EDT
What is better, this motion getting granted before the earnings call or after? I
can think of arguments for either, but can't figure out which is right :-/

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The McBride of Frankenstine
Authored by: tz on Friday, May 21 2004 @ 10:12 AM EDT
The creature kills the creator.

I remember catching a famous lawyer for Ollie North, I think it was Brendan
Sullivan who explained why you NEVER NEVER NEVER talk to the media while
involved in a legal matter, even if you are being dragged through the mud,
especially if you aren't guilty.

His mentor was in a trial where the prosecution pulled out a newspaper and read
the quote into the record or something similar which was damaging to his case.
He said it is hard enough to defend a client based on what is allowed in court,
but it is far worse when he also has to try to rebut everything said in public
on the record.

Meanwhile IBM apparently knows that liars eventually trip themselves up. Let
SCO go - let them continue, wait until they have let out enough rope to hang
themselves several times, then ask for summary judgment based on what SCO has
said and done.

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I wonder, is IBM defending Linux after the OS/2 debacle?
Authored by: ray08 on Friday, May 21 2004 @ 10:30 AM EDT
After Lou Gerstner killed OS/2 (and demoralized nearly every employee at IBM),
it looked like IBM was out of competition with M$, at least for OS's. I wonder
now if the new IBM starched shirts realize that Linux is the only hope for a
competing product against M$. Maybe that's why they didn't just
"buyout" SCO? Linux is further ahead of WinXP/Server 2003 than OS/2
was when it competed with DOS/Win 3.x. Sad part is OS/2 was a better OS than
Win95, but IBM killed OS/2 when it didn't evolve it. Maybe they've learned from
that mistake.

I personally think IBM has an ax to grind with M$ over OS/2.

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Future newspaper headline
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, May 21 2004 @ 02:16 PM EDT
SCO IS BACK!

Three months after bankruptcy and closing The SCO Group headquarters, Darl
McBride and his former top executives seem to have landed new jobs. It is
rumored that Microsoft® has plans to introduce a new operating system, to be
called Winux®. One might suppose that Sir Billy Gates has plans to let Darl and
his cadre develop the new derivative operating system, since Microsoft® will no
longer be required to buy license fees from the former SCO Group.


[Editor's note: Hey! It could happen!]

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Guessing Microsoft's future plans
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, May 21 2004 @ 03:30 PM EDT
1. Patents are allowed in Europe, effectively giving M$ patent leverage in the
US as well as Europe

2. There exist numerous Open Source packages that run on Windows

3. If an Open Source port for Win32 does not exist, it is usually possible to
run it 'emulated' (Cygwin, VMware, ...)

4. Perhaps this was just the first *sneaky* attempt to have 'Linux' in some way
or another (in this case, the kernel) declared illegal. The next try might be
to
cloud aspects of Linux with important functionality through patents

5. M$ and Sun have an 'agreement', allowing them to 'interoperate better',
which
I read also means use/exchange of some of their technology

So the most 'obvious' plan I can deduce from this is the following:

1. Try to 'beat Linux to death' with (often dubious) legal and IP (patents)
issues, at the same time keeping the FLOSS people busy fighting them

2. Make interoperability harder for Open Source products, with again a key role
for patents (SamBa)

3. Make it cheaper to run FLOSS software on Windows than it is on Linux
(involving the use of patents, lawsuits and similar threats)

4. Prepare a variety of ways to run FLOSS software on Windows, then 'kindly'
'invite' people to run this software on Windows, certainly NOT Linux.

5. Through the use of general inertia and 'keeping the communities hands tied',
steal or buy some Open Source products which can then be used for their own
ends. E.g. slam Mozilla with patent and lawsuit harass, then when they are near
dead, make a 'nice offer' to settle and buy out their assets, then use them in
their own OS.

Of course, FUD, shills, magazine and media bribes, allegiances and utter
ignorance will go a long way to sustain their plans.

Just my 2$

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