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Ev1 Laments and News From Germany
Monday, March 22 2004 @ 01:36 PM EST

Dion Cornett has news about EV1. It seems it doesn't pay to take a license. Their customers are voting with their feet. He writes in Decatur Jones' "Open Source Wall Street" newsletter (which has as part of its logo the words "Truth, Insight, & the Open Source Way for Investors") that the perception is likely to be that taking a SCO license is "bad for business::

"In an interview, this past week, EV1 CEO Robert Marsh stated that he was surprised by the reaction to his purchase of SCOX’s Linux IP license. A survey of EV1’s customers conducted on EV1’s web site suggests that 85% disapprove of the action. Worse yet for EV1, it appears that a number of customers are voting with their feet as, according to Netcraft, over 1000 web sites have defected from EV1 to a competitor in the past month, most after the SCO deal was announced. One competitive provider we spoke to claimed and all-time record week for new bookings driven by EV1 defections. Regardless of the final damage to EV1, the resulting perception is likely to be that licensing Linux from SCOX is bad for business. Thus we remain skeptical of SCOX’s ability to close SCOSource licenses ahead of a legal victory. Combining this with an aggressive, and thus costly, legal strategy, our outlook for SCOX remains negative even after the stock has been cut in half since the beginning of the year."


Germany

There is some news from Germany, too. Gregory Blepp, who left SuSE to do SCO's bidding instead, has given an interview in which he says that he is working hard to try to get things turned around in Germany, so SCO can sue people there too. It's in German, and if you translate only with a computer, you might get the idea that he is the new Chairman of the dmmv, the Microsoft-oriented German software industry lobbying group. He is not.

As you'll recall, SCO joined the dmmv after the preliminary injunction against it, so it could "inform" the industry privately, since it was barred from doing so publicly. However, Groklaw has many readers in Germany and benefits from being a member of an international community, so I asked several if the translation meant that he has the chairmanship. He does not.

He was made chairman of a study group, or "Fachgruppe", and he gave a speech recently to report on his study of the state of the industry, and he basically said that proprietary and free/open source software should co-exist. Of course, he couldn't speak about Linux and SCO, because of the Univention settlement in which they promised not to or be fined. There are many such study groups, because the dmmv has anindependent department for every important lobbying issue, ranging fromdigital rights management to software patents. According to Heise, 25% of the dmmv's 1,000 members are part of the FachgruppeSoftwareindustrie, the one Blepp heads up. The officers of the DMMV are here. Apparently, his task was to study the current state of the industry in Germany. Heise has a better article than the FUD piece in the Financial Times, whose editors need to read Groklaw. Here is what Blepp said in his speech in part:

"In the press conference to the specialized group software industry in the German Multimedia Federation (dmmv), Gregory Blepppleaded as new chairmen for discussions around Open Source without all the emotions. The vice-president SCOsource within the SCO Group reportedon the status of the German software industry, which pursues the debate on precisely this. . . . 'Both business models will coexist in the future', summarized Blepp."

Blepp sees a need for OSS to cooperate with the traditional software industry, according to the speech. I think he's got that backwards. He sees a role for OSS especially in small to medium businesses. So, the light dawns. Too late for SCO to benefit from that realization, I think. By the way, I'm told that the German IT landscape is defined by small and medium-sized businesses.

Here's one reason why he may have reached the conclusion he did. In his study, participants in the survey were asked what operating system they used. 85% of the members of this lobbying group said they used Microsoft products. Only 5% used Linux. 46% of the responders said their business was declining. The group is also supported by Microsoft money. You'll find that info on their website. At the bottom of the page is the MS logo and a link to Microsoft.de, with the words, "sponsored, powered and supported by".

What is significant in the Financial Times report, though, is that SCO is still trying to make moves in Germany. They only have a week to turn things around. As you may recall, they were given 30 days in the Univention settlement to provide proof of their copyright claims or they'd have to give up the copyright-related threats. I believe more FUD may be expected in German this week, therefore.

At computer expo CeBIT, Blepp spoke at a press conference and declared that in the future, the Software Branch would focus more on business models for Open Source. SCO GmbH had announced Blepp would be talking about the need for IP licenses, but dmmv responded with a statement that this was incorrect and that Blepp would merely be speaking about the software market in Germany.

The article in Heise indicates Blepp's assignment caused some controversy, with some dmmv members openly expressing they weren't happy about the choice, and that his appointment was the result of support from dmmv's Vice President, Rudolf Gallist, who headed Microsoft GmbH from 1991 until 2000.

I wish to thank everyone who contributed to this report, especially JeR, Tobias Weisserth, and doughnuts_lover. It's so good to have resources, so we are not left to rumors and computer translations. Of all the computer translations I looked at today, here is my favorite:

"Thus George Haff, analyst criticized the connection at the company Illuminata: 'In view of the fact that Microsoft is acondemned monopolist and on the other hand the internal messages andfinancial transactions of SCO look ever doubtful, Microsoft should bereally anxious that to the own company something does not remainsticking from the Gestank of the SCO.'"

Words to live by. Words to live by. Beware the Gestank of the SCO, Microsoft. The dmmv might want to pick their steps carefully around it too.


  


Ev1 Laments and News From Germany | 304 comments | Create New Account
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I wonder!
Authored by: jlp on Monday, March 22 2004 @ 03:23 PM EST
Could microsoft have gotten the message to scog to let him go so he could join
the dmmv?

John

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Ev1 Laments and News From Germany
Authored by: john-from-ct on Monday, March 22 2004 @ 03:23 PM EST
Regarding EV1 -

I can't help but wonder when SCO will issue a press release condeming the F/OSS
as a 'vast left-wing, long-haired conspiracy' to destroy honest, hardworking
companies that have the gall to take one of SCOs licenses!

just my $.02!


---
Just another greybeard geek!

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Ev1 Laments and News From Germany
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, March 22 2004 @ 03:23 PM EST
You know, we should all be thankful to EV1 for having the courage to put
their foot in it. Now the rest of the world can see the real and immediate
harm of buying a license from SCOX. This should put to rest the "Should we

or shouldn't we" debate for many companies.

So thanks EV1!!

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EV1 Bedtime prayer.
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, March 22 2004 @ 03:27 PM EST
Now I lay my ethics to sleep,
I pray to MS my customers to keep,
Lawyers watch me through the night,
break my NDA, they wish I might.

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Ev1 Laments and News From Germany
Authored by: Lastaii on Monday, March 22 2004 @ 03:31 PM EST
One competitive provider we spoke to claimed and all-time record week for new bookings driven by EV1 defections

Money talks, this is the sort of thing that will make business think twice before getting a SCO 'licence'. Much better to wait for the result of the court cases then permanently loose a significant chunk of your customer base straight off the bat...

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Bavarian Illuninati !
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, March 22 2004 @ 03:33 PM EST
"the connection at the company Illuminata"

I just knew they had to be involved in this mad SCO caper!

Hail Eris!

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There IS justice!
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, March 22 2004 @ 03:35 PM EST
Very satisfying.

1 EV1 buys licenses under a non-disclosure agreement with SCO.

2. SCO blabs anyway.

3. EV1 says (probably honestly) that they were just trying to protect their
customers.

4. Customers leave anyway.

Ahhhh, that felt good.

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Maybe Billzilla
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, March 22 2004 @ 03:36 PM EST
Should try a bath in Tomato juice - then again, I think of SCO as more fungal,
thus harder to get rid of. At any rate, patient zero could be either one of
them, but SCO's relative body weight doesn't bode well for them. The eyewatering
SCO Gestank not only makes MS more unpopular (if that's possible), it's also
lousing up the prospects of licensees (EV1) and hack 'analyst' journo/flacks
(Rant for Rent Rob, Droolbucket Dan, LOL Laura, etc) who traded their alleged
credibility for SCO's filthy lucre back when they smugly thought they were
beyond reproach. Judging by the way the SCO stench clings to these unfortunates,
one can only imagine the olfactory intensity around Lindon.

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Gestank of SCO
Authored by: auric on Monday, March 22 2004 @ 03:46 PM EST
Scary times indeed. Battles will be fought and won but the war has only just
begun. Microsoft are going to do everything possible to stop Linux but I think
Linux now has a momentum all of its own.

It's a shame EV1 has to learn the hard way of giving in to the SCO propoganda.
Their ex-customers understood this. Maybe this and switching to Windows servers.
Pity they can't ask for their money back.

Maybe the tech historians of the future will look back at the early 21st century
and note that this was the time that proprietary software had had its day and
the world economy flourished under FLOSS. (And a statue of Linus gracing a park
in Geneva somewhere).

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Beware the Gestank of the SCO!
Authored by: seanlynch on Monday, March 22 2004 @ 03:54 PM EST
Man, I had to update my sig for that one!

---
------------------------------------
"Beware the Gestank of the SCO"

Wasn't that a movie from Roger Corman or Ed Wood?

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Microsoft to be fined 497000000 Euros
Authored by: Drew on Monday, March 22 2004 @ 04:06 PM EST
News is out, sentence expected to be confirmed on Wednesday, MS to be fined 497 Million Euros. Coverage at google news.

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Even small boycotts can help...
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, March 22 2004 @ 04:09 PM EST
EV1 might get very little profit from their ChainedSSL secure certs they're currently selling for $21.60, but I'm seriously thinking that the next batch of "cheap certs" I order for our company will have to go to someone else now (e.g. www.freessl.com's StarterSSL or FreeSSL products or some other such "cheap" secure cert vendor). Every little helps...

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Ev1 - Losses: 1053 Gains: 1456
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, March 22 2004 @ 04:14 PM EST
If I understand the netcraft report correct, EV1 has gained more sites than they have lost.
Netcraft - Sites on the Move - Last month

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Ev1 Laments and News From Germany
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, March 22 2004 @ 04:21 PM EST
To sum it up: The word of the day is Schadenfreude.

Ev1 deserves what they get when they do things their customers disagree with,
like making deals with the devil.

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Almost regulated!
Authored by: tintak on Monday, March 22 2004 @ 04:24 PM EST
Microsoft associate general counsel for Europe Horacio Gutierrez said in a
statement the fine was unjustified.

"We believe it's unprecedented and inappropriate for the Commission to
impose a fine on a company's U.S. operations when those operations are already
regulated by the U.S. government and the conduct at issue has been permitted by
both the Department of Justice and the U.S. courts," he said.


http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=reutersEdge&storyID=4625610

---
'it is literally impossible' for SCO to itself provide
direct proof' Mark J. Heise 02/06/04

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OT: NYTimes article on M$
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, March 22 2004 @ 04:42 PM EST
There is a good article about Microsoft problems in Europe, as they said they
are far from over and appear to accelerating:

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/22/technology/22soft.html

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SCOX down $0.38
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, March 22 2004 @ 04:50 PM EST
closed at $8.33 ...here's wishing for another big slide tomorrow, hopefully into
the 7's.

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The Penguin Strikes Back
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, March 22 2004 @ 04:54 PM EST

There have been a couple of interesting announcements in the past few days about Linux-based initiatives.

This article concerns a new home-entertainment platform that is being put together by major consumer electronics makers. Here is a quotation from a Philips spokesman:

"Linux is the preferred operating system for digital consumer electronics," de Bot said. "We need to create a community to bring the coders together. In this field, Linux is the Lingua Franca, there's no doubt about it. PC coders who work with Linux will be able to transfer their software to this platform easily."

This article covers Novell's new integrated desktop campaign. An interesting tidbit:

With the desktop move, Novell plans to turn against Microsoft the same weapon that the software giant used against Novell: a tight coupling between applications that runs on the desktop and those that run on the server.

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OT - New SCO song - "SCOpa"
Authored by: Epiphany on Monday, March 22 2004 @ 05:07 PM EST
Sung to the tune of Barry Manilows "CopaCabana". Enjoy... :)

--------------------

His name was Dar-l, he was a C-E-O,
a sock puppet for m$, he was so litiginous.
He'd make false claims, and work the media,
But when he tried to be the star, the Truth at Groklaw was never far.
And across a courtroom floor, IBM's case was working more -
They were winning and they had real evidence
Who could ask for more?

At the SCOpa (SCO!), SCO-IP-Scama (SCO-IP-Scama)
The most FUD spread by ms ev-ah (here)
At the SCOpa (SCO!), SCO-IP-Scama
False claims and pumping kept the stock price jumping
At the SCOpa....don't fall for it

(SCOpa SCO-IP-Scama)

His name was billg, he liked closed windows
He'd been busted for monopoly, his business plan was history
So SCO he funded, through third parties
But billg went a bit too far, we saw "Halloween 10" by ESR
And then the "crunchies" knew, and soon the SEC too
There was investigation and the stock tanked
But just who scammed who?

At the SCOpa (SCO!), SCO IP Scama (SCO IP Scama)
The most FUD spread by ms ev-ah (here)
At the SCOpa (SCO!), SCO-IP-Scama
False claims and pumping kept the stock price jumping
At the SCOpa....ms got exposed

(SCOpa. . SCO-IP-Scama)
(SCOpa SCO-IP-Scama) (SCO-IP-Scama, ahh ahh arghhh)
(Ahh ahh arghhh SCOpa SCO-IP-Scama)
(Looking to sue customers too)
(Suing and scamming based on bad planning)


His name is Darl, he was a C-E-O
But that was 30 years ago, when there used to be a SCO
Now it's a memory, but not for Dar-l
Still in the suit he used to wear, Court documents everywhere
He thinks he's so refined, in his half-baked mind
He lost his case and his credibility
And then he did some time!

At the SCOpa (SCO!), SCO IP Scama (SCO IP Scama)
The most FUD spread by ms ev-ah (here)
At the SCOpa (SCO!), SCO-IP-Scama
Suing and scamming based on bad planning
At the SCOpa....don't buy the stock

(SCOpa) don't fall for the scam
SCO-IP-Scama
SCO-IP-Scama

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TSG belongs to Boies
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, March 22 2004 @ 05:10 PM EST
http://www.ftd.de/pw/de/1079712461483.html?nv=cpwd
> [...]
> Gebühren einzufordern ist das neuste Geschäftsmodell der Firma,
> die zum Teil der Anwaltskanzlei Boies, Schiller & Flexner gehört.
> [...]

Demanding fees is the newest business model of the company,
which in part is the property of the law firm Boies [etc].

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Ev1 Laments and News From Germany
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, March 22 2004 @ 05:15 PM EST
I really don't think they lament this deal. Here are they featured in a case study in the "Get the Lies (facts)"
from M$ website:

I think the CEO from EV1 was right when he said that the licence with SCO did not cost a 7 digit figure, if you substract from this amount the discounts they had for their W2003 licences.

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Ev1 Laments and Indemnification
Authored by: Bill The Cat on Monday, March 22 2004 @ 05:33 PM EST
Ah, Ev1 should have asked SCO to indemnify them should a mass exodus occur.

Just a thought anyway :)

---
Bill Catz

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Ev1 Laments and News From Germany
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, March 22 2004 @ 05:38 PM EST
The first wave of defections from EV1 was 'inevitable'... it is imperative that
we keep the pressure up!

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Ev1 Laments and News From Germany
Authored by: blacklight on Monday, March 22 2004 @ 05:44 PM EST
Granted, EV1 lost 1000 websites this month. But EV1 claims to support 1 mil
websites, so this loss for the moment is 0.1%.

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SCO target Australian
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, March 22 2004 @ 05:50 PM EST

Some SCO activities here down under..

"SCO Australia-New Zealand general manager Kieran O'Shaugnessy would not
say how many Australian organisations had been contacted, but claimed at least
one sale had gone through for a SCO Linux licence....."


AND

"We reserve the rights to pursue our claims through the courts if we don't
get satisfaction going down the IP licensing path."

What A SHAME..really SCO has not proved in the court that any code in linux is
theirs

and here is link to the whole article:
http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,9044174%5E15306%5E%5Enbv%5E,00.h
tml


Wally

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Microsoft to pay up EUR 500 mln, not 200
Authored by: JeR on Monday, March 22 2004 @ 06:12 PM EST
German newspaper Handelsblatt reports early that this tuesday, Mario Monti will announce that Microsoft is to pay a EUR 500 million fine for the abuse of its desktop OS monopoly.

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I don't feel sorry for Ev1
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, March 22 2004 @ 06:14 PM EST
Here's Ev1, now lamenting the fact they are losing customers because of the SCO
license.

I don't feel sorry for them one bit.

A lot of people seem to think they were "fooled" by SCO, and didn't
know better. On what I have seen, I disagree.

1. Why was the CEO of Ev1 prancing around at a trade show with Darl McBride on
the day the license was announced. It doesn't sound like a victim to me?

2. Why did the video interview with CEO of Ev1 never emerge? It was supposed to
come out last week. Rumor has it, the video contains him pitching Ev1 as being
the first "SCO compliant" hosting provider.

In short, Ev1 got their hands dirty by playing with SCO, and it appears to me
that they are not an innocent victim, by something closer to a co-conspirator.
They thought they could use "SCO might sue you for renting hosting
elsewhere" as a marketing tactic.

They deserve to lose customers.

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Even more news from Germany...
Authored by: haegarth on Monday, March 22 2004 @ 06:27 PM EST
This morning I had to meet some people at an IBM booth on the cebit fair, so I
had to travel from Frankfurt to Hannover.
Must seem like a small distance to Americans, but since I had to go by train
(they don't let us fly), and stand on my feet throughout the whole ride which
took more than two hours, it was just enough punishment for me. Man, this train
was so crowded that I was glad I had a place near the side - others were not so
lucky, they had only gotten places in the middle of the aisle... OK, enough
whining.

On the other hand such situation almost inevitably leads to some good chat with
the people surrounding you, and I, in fact, had the pleasure to talk to two very
nice Ladys.

One of them was on her way to the fair, too, so we talked about our businesses.
It didn't take too long to come to Linux, and then something happened which I
would have never expected: She told me that, in her opinion, Linux wasn't going
anywhere at the moment. When I asked her, why, she mentioned the ongoing
litigations in the US, but without referring to any details or even mentioning
SCO.
I was stunned. She didn't exactly belong to the technical staff, as far as I
understood, but this is the first time I heard the SCO case to be mentioned this
way in Germany.

Alas we didn't have the time to discuss this more deeply. I didn't have the
chance to ask her where she got her information from, but did at least manage to
explain that for all I know this whole thing is ridiculous and without merit,
and that IMHO M$ had to be considered to be the founder of all this, which she
didn't question at all - instead she didn't show any doubt that she considered
this to be very likely. Then, finally, our train reached it's destination, and
each of us had to attend to our respective assignments.

Well, why did that seem so important to me to put it here?
For a few reasons:

- it's first hand experience of the SCO effect in Germany I had never
experienced like this before

- it may serve as a signal to other GROKLAWers that we shouldn't be too sure
that Germany will always be an anti-SCO bastion, or that the FUD doesn't work
here at all

- she was working for randstad - these people offer manpower for hire to many
other companies all over Germany, so her opinion could even have a certain
countrywide impact, either directly or indirectly, as funny as that may sound.

So I hope I did the right thing at the right time. I didn't have the chance to
mention Groklaw, though, which I strongly regret, but anyway it's not sure that
her English would be up to the task. German kids do learn English at school
starting at a quite early age (normally it's the first foreign language we are
being taught), but if you don't have the chance to practice English or amy other
foreign language a lot, things tend to be forgotten over the years. Makes me
wonder whether a 'version' of Groklaw translated to German could be a feasible
project, but this would be quite an effort, that's for sure, especially for all
the stuff in legalese, if that's translatable at all, that is.

No, I guess we'd better leave Groklaw the way it is and try to spread the word
instead....

---
Everytime I read SCOspeak I'm dumbfounded...

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Attention PJ - Didn't SCO say there was only one form letter
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, March 22 2004 @ 06:43 PM EST
http://www.internetnews.com/ent-news/article.php/3329521

In that regard, the letter to NERSC concludes with a request from SCO for
"a meeting so that we may discuss the alternatives that are available to
your firm." That is followed by a sentence in all capital letters, which
reads: "We believe we can propose solutions that will be agreeable and
economically feasible for you."

The Livermore letter differs from the NERSC letter in that it contains a
detailed list of the files SCO claims have been infringed. The conclusion is
also more succinct. It does not specifically request a meeting, concluding with
"Thank you for your attention to these matters."

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Ev1 Laments and News From Germany
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, March 22 2004 @ 07:23 PM EST
I hope the EV1 decline continues till they have no customers left.

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Outlook Express?
Authored by: m_si_M on Monday, March 22 2004 @ 08:11 PM EST
The 500 EUR fine and the intended removal of Windows Media Player may just be
the beginning of serious trouble for M$ in Europe. The German Handelsblatt
features an article
[http://www.handelsblatt.com/pshb/fn/relhbi/sfn/buildhbi/cn/GoArt!200012,201197,
722717/SH/0/depot/0/index.html] which holds information about complaints of
competitors who expect Outlook Express and several other components of Windows
to be removed. The article also mentions that all EU governments support Mario
Monti's line.
According to Handelsblatt, Monti's spokeswoman didn't want to comment on this
issue yet.

---
C.S.

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Ev1 Laments Who are their remaining Clients?
Authored by: webster on Monday, March 22 2004 @ 09:18 PM EST
How can I find out who their remaining clients are? I would like to exercise
some freedom of choice.

---
webster

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EV1 actually doing well according to Netcraft
Authored by: napalm_penguins on Monday, March 22 2004 @ 10:04 PM EST
According to this link at Netcraft (http://uptime.netcraft.com/n etmove/thismonth) EV1 has actually picked up quite a few customers. They've picked up 2,961 new customers, gained 1,456 in transfers, and lost 1,053. That's actually pretty good. Of course those are raw numbers, and don't take into consideration such things as how much each customer was spending, or the type of OS they were using. But I think the jury is very much out on what is really happening with EV1.

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Translations and quotes
Authored by: bitmason on Monday, March 22 2004 @ 10:53 PM EST
While it's hard to beat the English to German and back to English translation:-), here's the original analyst quote from a Stephen Shankland CNET article:

Microsoft's referral doesn't reflect well on the software giant, said Illuminata analyst Gordon Haff.

"There's no smoking gun yet showing an orchestrated Microsoft executive-level pulling of SCO's puppet strings. What there is, however, is rather unseemly involvement by Microsoft around the periphery of SCO's funding," Haff said. "Given that Microsoft, on the one hand, is a convicted monopolist and that, on the other, SCO's financial dealings and actions look increasingly shady, Microsoft should certainly be worried about even a little bit of SCO's stench rubbing off."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4509173/

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Ev1 Laments and News From Germany
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, March 22 2004 @ 10:56 PM EST
Thus George Haff, analyst criticized the connection at the company Illuminata:
'In view of the fact that Microsoft is acondemned monopolist and on the other
hand the internal messages andfinancial transactions of SCO look ever doubtful,
Microsoft should bereally anxious that to the own company something does not
remainsticking from the Gestank of the SCO.'"
Words to live by. Words to live by. Beware the Gestank of the SCO, Microsoft.
The dmmv might want to pick their steps carefully around it too.

I must have been the only one who laughed so hard at this that I gained back 3
years of life. "The Gestank of the SCO". I parsed it as
"stench".

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SCO invite might have been "circus"?
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, March 22 2004 @ 10:56 PM EST
http://news.com.com/2009-1088-984352.html?tag=nefd_rndm#89

SCO invite rethought after considering that it might be seen as a
"circus" at the OSBC in San Francisco.

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M$ Name Change for Palladium
Authored by: Greg on Tuesday, March 23 2004 @ 01:52 AM EST

The name has changed...

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2002/jul02/0724palladiumwp.asp

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EV1 doesn't have the right to use Linux anymore
Authored by: GLJason on Tuesday, March 23 2004 @ 02:04 AM EST
If they copy any portion of Linux to a computer and use it under terms incompatible with the GPL, they forfeit their rights under the GPL. IBM should sue them to get them to stop using Linux since IBM owns the copyright on it's Linux contributions and EV1 is using them without a license.

SCO's "binary only" licensing scheme is incompatible with the the GPL. There is no way they can take the hard work of so many people that expect enhancements in the code to be returned to the community as payment and start charging for that. SCO is robbing Linux developers of their "income" which would be enhancments and contributions by people and companies that use Linux. They are licensing some mysterious "IP" that they say is in Linux but they cannot prove is there. There is no way for someone that buys a license from SCO to run Linux to be able to use the rest of Linux that is under the GPL unless they get the permission of every last copyright holder.

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Why not ?
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, March 23 2004 @ 02:40 AM EST
Make it an act of symbolism.
Demand 640 million from them.
According to one of there earlier philosophies 640 should
be enough for anybody.

retep vosnul

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Errata
Authored by: jmr on Tuesday, March 23 2004 @ 04:16 AM EST
PJ,

There is a lot of spaces missing all around the article... that makes some words
as: "softwareindustry", "fromdigital".
Also in the quoted text.

Maybe your space key gets stuck sometimes. Mine is diying too. :-)

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Ev1 learns:
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, March 23 2004 @ 11:33 AM EST
This very same action should be taken when a company buys that "oss
insurance". The fact is, SCO has cost linux business, now business will
loose because of SCO. Not to allow any exploits of opensource software by SCO,
is taking a stand as this is, it will be noticed !.

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Ev1 Laments and News From Germany
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, March 23 2004 @ 02:03 PM EST
"Outlook express is just a poor excuse for a POP3 based mail client.
Outlook is a closed system which needs extensive work arounds to be half way
useful on a Linux desktop."

Outlook is a client, which will talk to imap, pop3, -and- exchange servers;
outlook express is a stripped-down version. Neither of them runs on linux. It's
quite possible to talk to an exchange server with your imap client of choice,
but why bother.

The problem as I see it is that o-express is bundled with windows, outlook-full
is bundled with ms-office, and that exchange isn't really friendly with the rest
of the world.

z!

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