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SCO Threatens to Sue Hollywood. Yeah, Right.
Friday, November 07 2003 @ 08:29 PM EST

SCO has given a scoop to Forbes' Daniel Lyons. You need a subscription, but you can sign up for free for two issues, if you are willing to go around and around and around before you get to read Mr. Lyons' valuable proprietary intellectual property. Yahoo has it too. [2004 Update: No longer available on Yahoo. Wayback has it, though, page 1 and page 2.]

Why ever would they choose Daniel Lyons for an exclusive, do you suppose? Normally, they issue their threats in press releases.

I know you can't get enough of Daniel Lyons' reporting on Linux, so here you go, a new, more restrained Lyons piece, in which he reveals that SCO threatens to sue everybody on Planet Earth if they use Linux and happen to have deep pockets. Ah, the eternal, holy quest for money. First, they will sue Hollywood, they say. They use buckets of Linux there, they've heard, so off SCO goes for its cut.

Yes, SCO says it is planning to sue a Hollywood company for the high crime of using Linux for its special effects. They haven't chosen their victim yet, but it sounds like it will be the first company that refuses to pay SCO off when SCO asks for license fees. It's litigaton or licensing, says tough guy McBride:

"Most of Hollywood's big special-effects and animation companies now use Linux. DreamWorks, maker of Shrek and Sinbad , boasts on its Web site of its 'groundbreaking adoption of Linux.' Digital Domain, which worked on Titanic and Apollo 13 , runs Linux on about 1,000 processors. Lucas Digital runs Linux on nearly 1,500 boxes to create effects for the Star Wars epics and Harry Potter movies.

"But this love affair with freeware may prove costly. SCO Group, a $64 million (sales) software shop in Lindon, Utah that owns copyrights to the Unix system that inspired Linux, aims to collect fees from companies that use the free code. It may target Hollywood next. 'They're using a ton of Linux in Hollywood, so they've become a lightning rod for us,' says Darl McBride, SCO's chief executive.

"McBride points out that Hollywood studios, keen to protect their movies from being pirated on the Internet, have preached the need to respect copyrights. 'It's hypocritical for them to be going around saying that they don't want their stuff to be given away for free, but at the same time saying, "Boy, this free stuff sure is cool,"' he says."

Oooh. A threat. "May prove costly."

Or, it may not, when the company responds to the attempted stickup by telling SCO to get lost. I am not sure how smart it is to threaten deep pockets. They can afford to sue you right back, or even preemptively. Then SCO would need a lawyer team in three states, Utah, Delaware and California. SCO's problem is it can't talk to investors and make them happy and talk legal safely at the same time. What a dilemma.

"The Unix system that inspired Linux."

These rascals just can't quit being wrong. Unless he is using the word "inspired" in the loosest possible way, and upside down, this isn't accurate.

Mr. Lyons. I would like to hit you with a cluestick, if I may. GNU stands for "GNU's Not Unix." Got it? And Linus was inspired by student poverty and creativity, not Minix. Not being able to afford Unix, he decided to create his own kernel, from scratch. So far from being "inspired" by Minix, he found it unbelievably inadequate and decided to write something much better and fundamentally different in design. Linux is like Unix only in the sense that it's written to conform to POSIX specifications also. Here's some info on Minix for you, from Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:

"Minix is one of a number of 'Unix look alike' operating systems that include Idris, Coherent and Uniflex. These were written because AT&Ts initial licencing of Unix precluded it being sold to commercial organisations. These operating systems were written from scratch without any AT&T code."

Let me guess. You don't trust a free encyclopedia. OK, here is some info from TechTarget:

"In 1991, after taking a course in Unix and C, Torvalds bought his own personal computer (PC). He was unhappy with the operating system that came with the computer (MS-DOS) and decided to write his own. Torvalds became interested in Minix, a small Unix-like operating system developed for educational purposes by Andrew S. Tanenbaum, a Dutch professor who wanted to teach his students the inner workings of a real operating system. Minix was designed to run on Intel 8086 microprocessors and had source code that was readily available for study. Torvalds decided to develop an operating system that exceeded the Minix standards. He called it Linux, a contraction for Linus' Minix."

Mr. Lyons forgot to check his facts, I guess. Journalists still do that, don't they? Check facts? Maybe Forbes had to let its fact-checkers go, what with the economy being bad and all.

There are some other "facts" in the story that don't sound right to me either. For example, he describes SCO as "a $64 million (sales) software company." He doesn't mention that they haven't made a profit from sales of software in the history of the company and that their sales are steadily declining. That seems like an oversight, if you are trying to write a fair and balanced article. You surely wouldn't want to mislead potential investors, or anything.

Next, Lyons mentions the licensing scheme, and says that SCO sent warning letters to the 1500 companies. He makes it appear that this is still ongoing, whereas in truth SCO announced they won't be invoicing anybody. Why wouldn't Mr. Lyons make that clear, do you suppose? He doesn't seem to be keeping up.

Neither Mr. Lyons nor Mr. McBride can comprehend the difference between someone sharing somebody else's Hollywood movies over the internet and someone sharing voluntarily his own creative work, as Linux's creators do with their code, which they wrote and which they want to share. Hollywood is not stealing GNU/Linux code by using it for its special effects. Here's what those "criminals" in Hollywood are up to, according to Mr. Lyons:

"So instead of buying pricey specialized computers from the likes of Silicon Graphics, the techies at Imageworks simply load Linux onto hundreds of cheap Intel-based PCs to crank out dazzling effects for movies like Lord of the Rings, Seabiscuit and Spider-Man. Better yet, these low-cost systems are way more powerful than what they replaced."

And this is bad, how? Then, the article continues, SCO says it will next attack "titans of financial services, transportation companies, government agencies and big retail chains." When pigs fly, they will bring all this litigation for $50 million. They aren't suing SGI, I notice. And they never mailed out those demands for license fees.

I know. They didn't need to. They had "enough" sign up. Right.

Maybe they should fulfill prior threats before they throw out new ones? Otherwise, it could lead some of us to doubt their sincerity.

To that bad attitude of mine, Mr. McBride responds that companies will be forced to choose litigation or licensing. Up against the wall, Hollywood. He says he'd be surprised if it doesn't happen before the end of the year.

Patrick Scholes, the investment banker at Morgan Keegan who advises SCO, was just dumb enough to mention to Lyons some of the companies he has had converstions with:

" By contrast, the assault on Hollywood has started on a softer note. SCO claims it has had brief conversations with executives at Fox, Universal and Sony Pictures. Patrick Scholes, an investment banker at Morgan Keegan & Co. who advises SCO, says that on Oct. 9 he spoke by phone with Mitch Singer, a senior vice president at Sony Pictures, broaching the fact that Hollywood companies use a lot of Linux. Scholes says Singer understood the implication. 'He said, "Okay, I can read between the lines," Scholes recalls.

"Singer was unavailable for comment. Sony's Imageworks runs Linux on 1,400 dual-processor servers. But executives there say they have had no conversations with SCO, and Imageworks President Tim Sarnoff says he isn't worried. 'It's not on our radar right now.' DreamWorks and Lucas Digital declined to comment on SCO's threats, as did Digital Domain."

Now I'd guess any of those companies, except maybe Sony, depending on who is tellilng the truth, could go for SCO's jugular the way Red Hat is, by filing for a declaratory judgment. Scholes may be a fine investment banker, but a lawyer he ain't.

So, let's all watch and see if the stock shoots up again. Mr. Lyons points out that some tech execs believe this is all a bluff and a shakedown. Mr. Lyons, however, cites Brian Skiba of Deutsche Bank rating SCO a buy and says at least two investors, Integral Capital and Royce have invested heavily in SCO recently. He also quotes BayStar as saying that they think SCO will get enough licenses that it makes SCO "an interesting growth story." Lyons didn't think to mention that IBM has subpoenaed Deutsche Bank and Baystar.

So who buys this stock after McBride issues his threats and all the analysts give their glowing opinions? Not Integral Capital, actually. Not any more. They just bowed out. Mr. Lyons isn't keeping up with his SEC filings. Odd. I thought Forbes journalists specialized in informing the public -- that would be me -- of financial news, not the other way around. Otherwise, what am I paying for? Maybe Lyons wrote this article last month, and just dug it out now on a slow news day. That might explain all the old and now inaccurate facts. But if I am thinking of buying stock, don't I need up-to-date information?

Say, that stock hasn't been dipping again, has it?

Here's another complaint about the Lyons story. He quotes Thaddeus Beier of Hammerhead Productions on the advantages of Linux:

"But these days ordinary Intel machines can outgun SGI machines for a fraction of the price, and free Linux sharpens that edge. Hammerhead Productions, a 30-person effects house in Studio City, Calif. that created effects for Blue Crush and 2 Fast 2 Furious, uses Linux machines that cost one-tenth the price of its old SGIgear--$1,200 versus $12,000--and yet are ten times faster, says Thaddeus Beier, director of technology.

"Beier, who runs a 30-server render farm, says he hasn't heard from SCO, but the idea of being asked to pay for Linux makes him furious. 'That just sends me right up. If I had explosives, I'd be in Salt Lake City,' he says, adding that if SCO presses him, he may drop Linux and switch to a free version of Unix."

So I interviewed Mr. Beier myself, and I asked him if he really said that about the dynamite or was Lyons doing a hatchet job on Linux again. He says he said it as a joke, and that he told Lyons he'd rather he not quote him, but he did anyway. Journalists are supposed to respect the on-the-record, off-the-record requests. So let that be a warning to you if you get a call from Mr. Lyons wanting to interview you.

I have an idea. Maybe SCO can sue Warner Bros. Hey, no kidding. Back in September, it was reported that Warner Bros. signed up for SCO's web services software, so SCO can now sue its own customer. That way, McBride could keep it All In the Family. And what a disfunctional family it is. But really, here's my concept. Let's run it up the flagpole, as they used to say, and see if anyone salutes it: Warner Bros. signed up as a new customer after SCO made clear what its mission in life was, so they may have been favorable to SCO's cause. So SCO could bring a pretend lawsuit against them. Warner Bros. refrains from suing back, settles with SCO and takes a license, and then SCO goes to court and tells investors and the judge that companies are accepting that they need a license from SCO to run Linux. Far fetched? Well, have it your way. What do I know? I'm just imagining possibilities.

I think it's a devilishly clever idea, though. And I freely donate my intellectual property. SCO can take it and run with it, and they don't even have to pay me a license fee for my methods, concepts, or designs.

Just one fly in the ointment. If they do it now that I've put the idea out here for all to see, they might not look so good, huh? Me and my big mouth.

Actually, I'm just horsing around. I don't see how they can successfully sue anybody new, now that Novell has bought SuSE. Here's an article that will show you why some say SCO has been checkmated by IBM and Novell:

"So, let's add this up, against the backdrop of indemnification. We've got two companies --- IBM and Novell --- both of which have made heavy technology and marketing investments in Linux and open source (including Novell's recent acquisition of Ximian). One of the companies (IBM) is the subject of a giant lawsuit from the company that claims to own the intellectual property rights to the technology in Linux. The other is a company that, dating back to its UnixWare days, is rumored to still have just enough Unix intellectual property rights to be immune to the wrath of SCO. The customers of these two companies want some assurances, and the CTO of Novell wants to provide them in the way of solid stack interoperation and issue-free intellectual property rights. Are we getting warm yet?

"So, if Novell is immune (which Novell officials wouldn't comment on yesterday), and SuSE belongs to Novell, then it follows that SuSE's distribution of Linux could be untouchable. IBM's Linux strategy --- of which SuSE's Linux distribution is a centerpiece --- is preserved. Novell's cross-platform services strategy (which I'll get to in a minute) --- at least a third of which (or more) depends on the long-term viability of Linux --- remains intact. Customers seeking indemnification end up with something better--a free and clear license.

"I asked Nugent what he thought of my theory. While he didn't give me much, he gave me this: 'Your intuition is good. Stay tuned.' "

You might also find Doc Searls' take on the Novell acquisition of SuSE fascinating. Everybody needs to consult their own lawyer for legal advice, which this isn't. But the bottom line in my mind is this: Novell knows what is in the BSDi settlement agreement, because they were a party to it. And they weren't a bit frightened by SCO's lawsuit and decided to go ahead and buy SuSE Linux. What does that tell you, folks?

It tells me that if SCO was planning on retrying the BSDi case, it looks like that fantasy just died aborning. Further, Novell owns some key intellectual property rights in Unix SystemV themselves, which they didn't turn over to SCO. We can probably assume SuSE had UnitedLinux agreements with SCO, they have hinted that they did, which likely cover various contingencies, such as what would happen if they ended up hating each other. That's in contracts normally. Novell would now have those too, presumably. Then there is Amendment X. Novell's Linux distro, therefore, may be pretty much sue-proof. The number of perfectly safe Linux distros keeps increasing. And all you need is one, Hollywood.

Buh-bye, indemnification FUD. Buh-bye, SCO.


  


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Make my day, punk!
Authored by: freeio on Friday, November 07 2003 @ 08:36 PM EST
(As I said elsewhere...)

You have heard it said that you should never call out someone who buys their ink
by the barrel. That takes care of publishers, but what we are seeing here is
more like calling out someone who can memorialize you as a permanent Bozo in
every high tech flick unto eternity.

Hey SCO! Take on Hollywood. Please! Do you know how many politicians Hollywood
owns, lock stock and barrel? Do you know just who it is who asked for and got
the copyright extensions just so Mickey and friends can be company property
forever, and never fall into the public domain? Hollywood has more political
clout than one can imagine.

Yeah. Call out the Don himself.

Go Ahead! Make my day!

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TRVTH

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SCO Threatens to Sue Hollywood. Yeah, Right.
Authored by: Flower on Friday, November 07 2003 @ 08:43 PM EST
I'll repost a portion of one of my comments that really belongs under this story.
I wonder. Since all of SCOs claims are being fought in two seperate cases can they even file a suit against someone? Would a motion to dismiss be granted because the issue isn't ripe? Not only can't they produce their "claimed" infringment but the claim itself is currently being contested. Why am I to believe SCO's demand for licensing fees have merit in this situation and, more importantly, why should I be legally obligated under these conditions?
This is something my non-legally trained mind can't get around.

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SCO Threatens to Sue Hollywood. Yeah, Right.
Authored by: TheRealGigabyte on Friday, November 07 2003 @ 08:43 PM EST
Poor SCO. They are like the little kid who cried wolf. They cry, "IP
Violations! Copyright infringement! Contract Violation!" Sooner or later
nobody will listen to them anymore.

Go IBM, Kick thier ass.

---
Coffe, Nectar of programers. Source of heat in our bleak sterile environments. I
somehow fear ive been infected with the sterility of my environment, its repuls

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SCO Threatens to Sue Hollywood. Yeah, Right.
Authored by: Undergrid on Friday, November 07 2003 @ 08:48 PM EST
SCO claims it has had brief conversations with executives at Fox, Universal and Sony Pictures.
Let me guess, I'd say the conversation went something like this: SCO: Hello big Hollywood company, we want a lot of money from you for the Linux systems you have. Hollywood: Hahe <click>

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WOW!!! What assclowns.
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, November 07 2003 @ 08:50 PM EST
Who's next on their list, China?

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SCO Threatens to Sue Hollywood. Yeah, Right.
Authored by: belzecue on Friday, November 07 2003 @ 08:55 PM EST
Wow. Thanks for taking me on that journey, PJ. It's like following a trail of
M&Ms and arriving at a shining, rainbow-coloured, fully stocked lolly
shop... with an ALL YOU CAN EAT FOR FREE (AS IN FREEDOM) sign hanging on the
door.

One distro to rule them all... yes, the biggest chink in SCO's armour. One
distro that is irrefutably litigation free and then their entire house of cards
flutters away in the wind. How do you explain to investors that, um, most of
the potential licensees switched over to SUSE and, um, well, that's not gonna
be such a good revenue stream for us going forward... but not to worry because
we're still gonna get that pesky GPL invalidated!

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SCO Threatens to Sue Hollywood. Yeah, Right.
Authored by: skidrash on Friday, November 07 2003 @ 08:56 PM EST
'It's hypocritical for them to be going around saying that they don't want
their stuff to be given away for free, but at the same time saying, "Boy,
this free stuff sure is cool,

THEY OWN THEIR RESPECTIVE COPYRIGHTS IN THEIR MOVIES.

YOU OWN NO COPYRIGHTS IN LINUX DARL.

HP has SysV and Linux. HP is indemnifying. HP knows
YOU OWN NO COPYRIGHTS IN LINUX DARL.

SUN has SysV and Linux. SUN is about to realease their own Linux. SUN knows
YOU OWN NO COPYRIGHTS IN LINUX DARL.

SGI knows YOU OWN NO COPYRIGHTS IN LINUX DARL.

RH is about to get a court to declare what RH already knows. What does RH know?
YOU OWN NO COPYRIGHTS IN LINUX DARL.


NONE ZIP ZILCH ZIPPO NADA NIL a big FAT ZERO.


Under the guise of protecting IP you are committing the biggest theft ever. A
theft FROM VOLUNTEERS to boot.

THE ONLY HYPOCRITE HERE IS DARL MCBRIDE.

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SCO Threatens to Sue Hollywood. Yeah, Right.
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, November 07 2003 @ 08:58 PM EST
Wow! McBride calling other people a hypocrite...

Every time I think I couldn't possibly hate that guy more than I already do, he
says something to make me hate him that much more.

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SCO Threatens to Sue Hollywood. Yeah, Right.
Authored by: krow on Friday, November 07 2003 @ 09:05 PM EST
Quothe McBride:
They can choose licensing or litigation. If someone says they want to see a court ruling before they pay, we'll say, Fine, you're the lucky winner. We'll take you first. I'd be surprised if we make it to the end of the year without filing a lawsuit.
It sounds to this non-lawyer like what these Hollywood companies should do is ignore any non-invoice communication from Lindon, and immediately report any actual invoice communication to the California Attorney General and the Postal Inspector. That is, they should not say "We won't pay," they should ignore the tick until it bites. Then they should bring out the match.

Cheers,
Craig

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Corollary to Clarke's Third Law:
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.

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Novell + SuSE = a well defended position
Authored by: freeio on Friday, November 07 2003 @ 09:09 PM EST
The more I think about it, the more this makes sense. But furthermore, it
actually has legs. Basically, from this vantagepoint, if Novell still has the
rights to SysV, then anything they bless as OK in linux is OK in perpetuity,
through the GPL. Put one Novell copyright notice on the collection, invoke GPL,
include the "copying" file, and the deed is permanently done. It
would protect every file contained therein.

This could be a form of "innoculation." Wild indeed.

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TRVTH

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The last time
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, November 07 2003 @ 09:12 PM EST
The last Darl talked about suing a Linux customer (this is back about the time
those invoices were being discussed), didn't he say something like

(a) it would be soon [hasn't happened yet]

(b) it would be somebody who used all of Linux, AIX and Dynix

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

The other question, is should SCO's lawyers be paying more attention to the IBM
case... I mean, I've seen their filings



P.S.

PJ or anybody: still hoping for addendum on IBM's response to SCO's reply to
IBM's motion to compel. Really wanna read that

Now also hoping to see IBM's second motion to compel :-)

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SCO Threatens to Sue Hollywood. Yeah, Right.
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, November 07 2003 @ 09:16 PM EST
Hey I just realized...

...I didn't pay to see those movie trailers they've been showing on TV, etc.

I've even some movies on TV, free, without paying

Gasp!

Question for Darl: Is it hypocritical for Hollywood to complain about copyright
infringement, while letting people see free stuff!

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"stay tuned."
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, November 07 2003 @ 09:26 PM EST
"Your intuition is good. Stay tuned."

I like the "stay tuned" part. It implies Novell is going to do
something big. Sue SCO? Issue indemnity guarantees for SuSE customers? Or
something else?

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SCO Threatens to Sue Hollywood. Yeah, Right.
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, November 07 2003 @ 09:27 PM EST
Sorry, there is no better way to say this: those stupid idiots just dug their
own grave in the RedHat case. SCO is done. Expect a summary
judgement before Xmas.

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OT: Harry Potter
Authored by: Khym Chanur on Friday, November 07 2003 @ 09:27 PM EST
On the Yahoo page with the article, under "News Resources: News Alerts", there
are alerts for Linux, Linus Torvalds, UNIX, and... Harry Potter. Hmmm... Does
Yahoo think that all Open Source people are Harry Potter fans?

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Lyons' theory of copyright? And is it SCO's?
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, November 07 2003 @ 09:28 PM EST
From Lyons' article, I get the impression that he might think that because you
can see the source code in Linux, it ain't copyrighted.

As he seems so well connected with SCO, I have to wonder if this is from them.


While I might put this down to the usual antics, it reminds me of McBride saying
that if he reveals the allegedly infringing code in Linux, then he's open
sourced it.

In other words, it's consistent in SCO world. Maybe McBride really meant and
believes what he said at that time.

Why could he believe it?

Because somebody might have told him if you reveal a trade secret, it's no
longer protectable. The IBM case is about trade secrets, not copyright. Some how
in SCO land, perhaps, the two ideas got conflated.


IANAL, but of course, I find the theory ludicruous. Most copyrighted works
(videos, books, music), the entire purpose is to see them. In fact, I believe in
the past, you might have had to publish something, to claim copyright (not sure
about this). And I doubt all the proprietary vendors who include sample
programs, source code fragments, etc., disclaim copyright on their source code
of this type.

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Next on the list....
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, November 07 2003 @ 09:45 PM EST
Andromeda galaxy.

I've heard Linux runs spaceships much better then their
native software, SCO might even have an easier time
getting them to listen...

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Shakedown
Authored by: overshoot on Friday, November 07 2003 @ 09:54 PM EST
By contrast, the assault on Hollywood has started on a softer note. SCO claims it has had brief conversations with executives at Fox, Universal and Sony Pictures. Patrick Scholes, an investment banker at Morgan Keegan & Co. who advises SCO, says that on Oct. 9 he spoke by phone with Mitch Singer, a senior vice president at Sony Pictures, broaching the fact that Hollywood companies use a lot of Linux. Scholes says Singer understood the implication.

Does this sound like something out of a bad gangster movie or what?

What struck me was that TSG is using investment bankers as fronts to shake down the suckers. I mean, do they think that this makes them safe from criminal prosecution or something? Maybe they think that having "some of the boys" do the frontwork they can't be touched? Maybe they even think that this is an original idea.

Watch it Darl, baby. The Family may be doing a little "intellectual property enforcement" on you next!

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  • Shakedown - Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, November 08 2003 @ 12:54 AM EST
  • Shakedown - Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, November 08 2003 @ 05:00 AM EST
  • Shakedown - RICO? - Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, November 08 2003 @ 11:10 AM EST
SCO Threatens to Sue Hollywood. Yeah, Right.
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, November 07 2003 @ 09:56 PM EST
Here are a few random thoughts.

- Even if SCO tries to sue a Hollywood company, it will take years to go to
trial and years to go through the appeals process, just like in the IBM and Red
Hat lawsuits. They won't be making an example out of anyone any time soon,
assuming they can even survive long enough to see the beginning of the trial of
the multiple lawsuits they're already fighting.

- SCO is only claiming the 2.4 and 2.6 kernels have illegal code in them. The
rest of a typical Linux distro is still legal and free and will remain so. Even
if SCO were to figure out a way to get royalties from companies, people can
always switch to the Linux 2.2, BSD or HURD kernels.

- SCO has stated in the Red Hat suit that most or all of the alleged
infringement will be dealt with in the IBM lawsuit, so they admit that it's
only IBM's enterprise code that is in dispute. Very few people use any esoteric
technologies like NUMA or RCU, so only people with 16+ CPU servers need to worry
at all.

- SCO seems to be hiring third parties like investment companies to make veiled
threats against companies so they don't have to do it themselves, thereby
incriminating SCO executives or hurting their chance to get the Red Hat lawsuit
dismissed.

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SCO Threatens to Sue Hollywood. Yeah, Right.
Authored by: Flower on Friday, November 07 2003 @ 10:13 PM EST
BayStar is betting that SCO will be able to collect license fees from Linux users. "We think this licensing initiative is going to work," says Lawrence Goldfarb, managing partner. "We spent a lot of time calling around to potential licensees, and we believe SCO is going to sign enough companies to make this an interesting growth story."

So who gets first dibs on deposing BayStar first? IBM or RH?

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SCO Threatens to Sue Hollywood. Yeah, Right.
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, November 07 2003 @ 10:34 PM EST
here is the whole Lyons article: link

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SCO Threatens to Sue Hollywood. Yeah, Right.
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, November 07 2003 @ 10:38 PM EST
""They can choose licensing or litigation. If someone says they want
to see a court ruling before they pay, we'll say, Fine, you're the lucky
winner. We'll take you first.' I'd be surprised if we make it to the end of
the year without filing a lawsuit."

How many times have we had McBride make threats and then not carry them out?
SCO will never sue anybody, they are having enough trouble with IBM and RedHat

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SCO stock: no effect
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, November 07 2003 @ 10:53 PM EST
Hmm, SCO stock did NOT go up today. Wonder why.

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SCO Threatens to Sue Hollywood. Yeah, Right.
Authored by: converted on Friday, November 07 2003 @ 11:09 PM EST
The more I read about SCO's antics, as they get more and
more ridiculous, the less and less worried I am of the
outcome of the lawsuit. It's becoming more and more
painfully (for SCO of course) obvious that there's not a
molecule of Intellectual Property amongst them to protect.

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The threat is the purpose
Authored by: mflaster on Friday, November 07 2003 @ 11:13 PM EST
As is obvious to everyone here, SCO can't sue any Linux users. They don't
intend to. They intend to make veiled threats, until some company says,
"OK, I'll throw $10,000 to SCO just so that I don't have to ask my
lawyer."

Then SCO will say, "You see? Company X signed up. You all should
too!"

Mind you, they're not sending invoices, they're just selling UnixWare licenses
- which come with a promise that they won't sue you. So I don't think these
companies can sue them for selling them a UnixWare license...

SCO figures it just takes one or two stupid companies to get the ball rolling.
They just have to make sure their threats are vague enough to not get a big
enough company pissed at them (see Redhat)...

Mike

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SCO makes a clown of itself again
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, November 08 2003 @ 12:54 AM EST
Aren't these Holywood companies part of larger media conglomerates with magazines, newspapers and TV networks? They want to sue that??? What kind of coverage do they expect?

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SCO Threatens to Sue Hollywood. Yeah, Right.
Authored by: Bored Huge Krill on Saturday, November 08 2003 @ 01:21 AM EST
this just made my day. It's without a doubt the funniest thing I've seen all week. This bit is particularly funny:
McBride points out that Hollywood studios, keen to protect their movies from being pirated on the Internet, have preached the need to respect copyrights. "It's hypocritical for them to be going around saying that they don't want their stuff to be given away for free, but at the same time saying, Boy, this free stuff sure is cool,'"he says.

Am I parsing that wrong, or did Darl just go on record as accusing the Hollywood studios of copyright infringement? It seems quite hard to avoid that conclusion.

I have this image in my head of Darl out in the desert somewhere in Utah saying to himself:

"Gee, a rattlesnake! I wonder what it'll do if I poke it with this stick?"

He sure knows how to pick enemies. If he keeps this up, there's going to be nothing left for the buzzards.

Krill

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Aren't at least some of "Hollywood" Red Hat Customers?
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, November 08 2003 @ 01:43 AM EST
Maybe this is why it's an interview - not a press release.
No Mr Judge sir, honest, it wasn't us that was threatening Red Hat's business - it was that nasty journalist misrepresenting what we said.

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Linus is modest
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, November 08 2003 @ 03:05 AM EST
Linus, modestly, didn't name Linux after himself. He didn't name it at all! And Linux doesn't stand for "Linus's Minix".

Linus uploaded the first Linux source to a BBS, and he saved it under a file name of "FREAX" or something close to that. This stood for "Free UNIX". The BBS operator didn't like that name, and renamed it to "Linux" for "Linus's UNIX". Good on him, whoever he was, because "Linux" is a much better name.

http://cbbrowne.com/info/linux.html

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SCO Threatens to Sue Hollywood. Yeah, Right.
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, November 08 2003 @ 04:33 AM EST
Send an e-mail to : pmaidment@forbes.com
with something like the next body. (It can be copied directly but I think
personalized write-ups are more effective)

The article in question is written by Daniel Lyons and present on
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2003/1124/096.html
It is full of errors and what seems deliberate misstatements of the current
situation surrounding SCO.
Most if not ALL of the errors could have been avoided by a bit of research as
the following link (http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20031107015926906)
shows. Please ignore the sarcastic tone of that page and just look at the errors
that are pointed out.
What is worse is that a reporter seems to be writing deliberate misstatements
about the current situation OR didn't verify that his source(s) are not feeding
him deliberate misstatements. A reporter should be neutral (or as close to
neutral as possible) AND verify that his sources are not trying to slip
something past him(/her) or explicitly state that the information is
unconfirmed.
I request that a full retification of this article is put on the www.forbes.com
website with a public appology (by Daniel Lyons) to the people who have made the
wrong choices or recommendations (partly based on this article).

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whoa, slow down, cowboy.
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, November 08 2003 @ 05:54 AM EST
SCO has made enough ridiculous statements on the matter, but you don't need to read between the lines to the extent that you create new ones where they aren't.

I think it's perfectly reasonable to state that "Unix inspired Linux". Linux is a Unix clone, after all; there's no shame in that, the design of the Unix kernel is well known and open, and is by no means a trade secret.

And actually, the reason Linus wrote it in the first place (besides as a way to learn about x86 internals) was because he couldn't afford SunOS. Obviously he could get his hands on Minix (used during development), it just sucked in comparison to any real Unix, and especially on a 386. The 386 was a real 32-bit machine, whereas Minix wasn't a real 32-bit OS.

So feel free to comment and nitpick on all the legal briefs, but not to this extent, please. And don't worry, we can handle the tech details.

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I'm writing Attorney Generals
Authored by: ra on Saturday, November 08 2003 @ 07:37 AM EST
I know some disagree, but I honestly think this article is proof of SCO crossing
a new line. SCO has also put us into a position to make them pay for that
mistake.

I am going to refine this letter but it will go out to all 50 Attorney Generals
and anyone else I can think of by Monday.

I'd appreciate any help anyone here can give me to improve the language or make
points that this misses.

There is a list of attorney generals at
http://www.truthaboutlloyds.com/links.html#attorney_general

Dear AG

I am writing to inform you of a campaign by The SCO Group ("SCO")
that approaches and may cross the line of fraudulent behavior.

Recently, SCO has begun claiming that the Linux operating system illegally
contains software code that is copyrighted by SCO. SCO refuses to identify the
code in question except under non-disclosure agreements. Large amounts of code
that is present in SCO's products have been released by SCO and others for
legal use in Linux. The non-disclosure agreements make it impossible for those
familiar with Linux to publicly defend the legality of any code in question and
allows those unfamiliar with Linux to draw the false conclusion that SCO has
grounds for a claim of copyright infringement against those associated with
Linux.

SCO has not proven or attempted to prove its claims of copyright infringement in
court. While SCO has engaged IBM in a highly publicized lawsuit, SCO does not
make copyright infringement claims in that lawsuit and that lawsuit will not
resolve the claims of copyright infringment SCO is currently making publicly.

SCO has recently threatened to send invoices to 1,000 companies,
"billing" those companies in connection with SCO's undemonstrated
copyright claims. SCO has withdrawn that threat in the realization that it is
fraudulent to bill companies for property that SCO is likely not to own.

Instead SCO has begun a new campaign in which company executives such as CEO
Darl McBride and Senior Vice President Chris Sontag make serious but
non-specific threats while other parties more loosely associated with SCO call
large companies and hint that the company being contacted is being considered as
a target of SCO's threats. Companies that are afraid of SCO's threats will be
allowed to purchase licenses to protect them.

This campaign seems to have been deliberately concocted by SCO's lawyers to
accomplish the same effect as direct threats against companies while intending
to insulate SCO's own employees from charges of fraud or racketeering.

On this basis SCO claims to be in the process of contacting each company in the
Fortune 1000, which obviously includes some companies in your jurisdiction.
After the Fortune 1000, SCO claims it will approach another set of companies.
SCO has no public plans to ever legally clarify its supposed copyright issues.

I am enclosing a copy of an article from Forbes magazine by Daniel Lyons which
clearly describes SCO's campaign.

I am also printing out a list of frequently asked questions that SCO has put on
its website that further demonstrates SCO's threats to sue companies as well as
SCO's position that the IBM case will not resolve the relevant issues. Please
see questions 11, 13, 14 and 25.

It may also be of interest the Microsoft, through previous purchases of
licenses, has provided a substantial amount of the funding for SCO's current
attacks on Linux. Microsoft has identified Linux as one of its most significant
strategic threats.

Thank you,

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SCO Threatens to Sue Hollywood. Yeah, Right.
Authored by: old joe on Saturday, November 08 2003 @ 09:01 AM EST
Do SCO have any idea who they are dealling with?

Hollywood get phone calls every day from folks trying to shake them down by
claiming they own the rights to some movie or other.

These guys know a lot about copyright and are not going to pay out on the basis
of some vague allegations. They will want to see the code.

Old Joe

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TINFOIL HAT TIME
Authored by: brenda banks on Saturday, November 08 2003 @ 09:38 AM EST
with all the copyright infringement cases that RIAA and MPAA
has going on;can they afford to even have a perception get out that they support
copyright infringement
if they fight sco what does sco do?
broadcast to the world that they are hypocrits
can hollywood afford that to be broadcast long enough to fight sco?
we have seen how sco twists words used by linux supporters
they have no conscience at all
they are totally motivated by greed
think about it
br3n

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SCO Threatens to Sue Hollywood. Yeah, Right.
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, November 08 2003 @ 10:16 AM EST
As the Redhat case would shut them up, I am curious where that case stands. I
haven't seen anything about it in weeks. Not since SCO got a new lawyer to
handle the case. Did SCO get some time to bring a new lawyer into the case or
is the judge just thinking over the previous motions? When do you expect a
response on them?

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SCO Threatens to Sue Hollywood. Yeah, Right.
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, November 08 2003 @ 01:46 PM EST
Daniel sure liked bringing up Dreamworks second (only to Sony) in making his
points. He neglected to notice who Dreamworks buys their linux hardware from:

http://welcome.hp.com/country/us/en/msg/corp/htmldreamworks.html

Yup. From *HP*, SCO indemnifier extraordinaire!

Somebody should tap him on the shoulder and let him know he should be more
thorough next time.

-brendan

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Two Words, Darl...
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, November 08 2003 @ 01:58 PM EST
"RICO statutes."

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SCO Threatens to Sue...and the winners are....the lawyers?
Authored by: John Douglas on Saturday, November 08 2003 @ 02:40 PM EST
The only logical explanation I can find for anything so bizarre is for a
conspiracy of lawyers urging SCO on.

If Boies et al get a minimum of 20% of SCO anyway why shouldn't they encourage
them to blow the lot on lawyers fees presenting their bill before a series of
judgements bankrupt SCO leaving IBM, RH etc with nothing?

PJ - Asking whether SCO's lawyers would get paid first before SCO pays out
damages may be a stupid question (certainly in the UK) but I'll ask it anyway.

Thanks








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SCO Sue's the military!
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, November 08 2003 @ 02:46 PM EST
And next SCO will be sueing the military... There are quite a few instances that the military is using linux, not the least of can be found here.

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SCO Wants Shut-up Money
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, November 08 2003 @ 02:49 PM EST
I'm starting the think that SCO is going after the really big companies because
they realize that they cannot win in court, and their best option is to annoy
the deep-pocketed so much that they choose to buy SCO out rather than waste time
fighting.

This makes sense if you consider how SCO is running away from LinuxTag, Red Hat,
and SGI; however, they seem to have no fear of the really big boys.

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Hollywood *will* pay
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, November 08 2003 @ 02:56 PM EST
Hollywood will pay. Just like microsoft. SCO is a nice
proxy to make linux go away, so that they can DRM everything

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SCO Threatens to Sue Hollywood. Yeah, Right.
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, November 08 2003 @ 03:03 PM EST
Not quite on this part of the topic, but an interesting
quote about the state of SCO in this article

http://www.vnunet.com/News/1147824

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SCO Threatens to Sue Hollywood. Yeah, Right.
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, November 08 2003 @ 03:22 PM EST
If SuSE is safe, then doesn't that mean all linux distributions are? After all,
they're distributing the Linux kernel and utilities source under the GPL. Since
they're distributing it under the GPL, then anyone can take their code and
modify it. The other Linux distributions all just have modified (and unmodified)
versions of the same kernel that SuSE is already distributing under the GPL...

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Gotta love what Darl is doing!
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, November 08 2003 @ 04:30 PM EST
SCO's multiple personalities seem to follow a pattern.

When McBride or Stowell or Sontag talk to the press, the messages are tailored for investors. They beat their chests and make lots of threats, becoming more and more blatant and aggressive. But these statements can only hurt them in the courtroom.

When SCO representatives talk to potential licensees they seem to be aware of some boudaries they ought not to cross. They don't send invoices and they never threaten to sue in any straightforward, direct way. Sony Pictures VP Mitch Singer had to "read between the lines" to grok the threats implicit in whatever it was that investment banker Scholes told him over the phone. Weirdly though, Scholes feels free to tell journalist Lyons that Singer said he could read between the lines, as if Scholes wants us to know that he was able to get his point across to Singer that Sony Pictures might be sued without actually crossing the line and saying it out loud. In other words Scholes doesn't try to hide the fact that he can't speak freely to Singer and seems to be pleased with himself for getting the hints across despite those limitations. Is it just me, or is that really, really weird?

But in communications to the court, particulary in the Red Hat case, SCO claims it hasn't threatened anybody.

Are we not supposed to notice? PJ points out SCO's manifold self-contradictoriness daily if not hourly. IBM even put it in a court brief that SCO PR is at war with SCO's legal case. Just when I think it can't get any better, McBride vomits again:

They can choose licensing or litigation. If someone says they want to see a court ruling before they pay, we'll say, Fine, you're the lucky winner. We'll take you first.' I'd be surprised if we make it to the end of the year without filing a lawsuit.
At this point can we do anything but cheer him on? Yeah! Go Darl Go! Load up with buckshot again Darl, and fire both barrels into your bloody stump!

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That's exactly what SCO wants
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, November 08 2003 @ 05:01 PM EST
SCO is "going after" Hollywood to get publicity. Everything to do
with Hollywood gets coverred in the press.

The more bad things they can say about Linux and the more attention they can get
the better it helps Microsoft.

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Only threatening production houses
Authored by: Khym Chanur on Saturday, November 08 2003 @ 07:05 PM EST
As antiMStroll on Slashdot pointed out, SCO is only threatening production
houses, and not the movie studios. If production houses have to raise their
prices because of SCO, it won't hurt the movie studios that much.

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  • SuSE - Authored by: JMonroy on Sunday, November 09 2003 @ 03:54 AM EST
SCO Threatens to Sue Hollywood. Yeah, Right.
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, November 08 2003 @ 09:49 PM EST
Hey, if SCO are so worried about Hollywood's intellectual proprty rights,
why don't they start honoring the IP rights of the thousands of
developers who published software under the GPL?

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Darl loves the RIAA?
Authored by: JMonroy on Sunday, November 09 2003 @ 03:52 AM EST
Somehow, I was under the impression that Darl thought the RIAA was his hero...
didn't he say that once? Something about free ride by song downloaders, and
free software. I tend to mentally discard anything McBride says, so my memory
is vague. Just when you thought he has made enemies with all, he finds yet
another group to annoy. Unfortunately for SCO, they just kicked Don Cicco in
the nuts... and Hollywood is just brimming with lawyers. Bring it on Darl, that
would really be entertaining.

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Note from Slashdot
Authored by: Wesley_Parish on Sunday, November 09 2003 @ 04:27 AM EST
Perhaps this is what they (their handler) wants? (Score:4, Insightful)
by macdaddy (38372) on Saturday November 08, @01:40PM (#7424613)

It just occurred to me that this might be want SCO's handler, Microsoft, wants. Bear with me for a second.

Perhaps they (MS) know that the GPL would be held up in court.

Perhaps they know Linux would always best their products on the technical front.

Perhaps they're planning on SCO pissing off enough companies, Linux developers, and Linux users to force to sue SCO. Perhaps they are planning on using this litigation in a anti-Linux / anti-GPL / anti-open source marketing campaign.

See how litigous the Linux developers are? Do something with Linux that they don't like and they'll sue you!

It's possible. It's entirely possible. Perhaps we (the Linux community) isn't looking far enough ahead. We're playing a game of chess here and our opponent is distracting us with stupid moves of his pawns while the queen gets in position for the kill. It's possible that we just aren't looking at this from the right angle. We need to be predicting their moves further in advance. Thoughts?

Back with another one of those blockrocking beats?

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SCO Threatens to Sue Hollywood. Yeah, Right.
Authored by: Clifton Hyatt on Sunday, November 09 2003 @ 02:34 PM EST

The famous Linus vs. Tanenbaum debate. Linux/Monolithic vs. Minix/Microkernel, and why a distributed development environment won't scale. I bet Tanenbaum feels a little silly today considering some of his past statements.

Linus vs. Tanenbaum

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