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Darl Invites You to a Webcast of His Keynote Speech at CDXPO
Monday, November 17 2003 @ 10:19 PM EST

They will be telecasting Darl McBride's speech at CdXpo -- 'There's no free lunch ... or free Linux' -- so no need to travel, unless you want to participate in the later discussions or have other reasons for wanting to attend. To watch the "There's no free lunch ... or free Linux" speech, just go here on Tuesday, Nov. 18, 2003, 8:00 p.m. Eastern Time/5:00 p.m. Pacific Time.

They really want you to see this, apparently, so there will be "a replay of the teleconference, made available 60 minutes following the live Webcast. This replay will be available for 30 days following the live event." [Update: You can get it here]


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Most Recent Post: 11/20 11:00AM by anwaya

New SCO S-3: Boies' Firm Will Represent SCO in the Red Hat Lawsuit and the BayStar/RBC Register for Sale 3,850,000 Shares
Monday, November 17 2003 @ 08:53 PM EST

The SCO Group just filed an S-3 form with the SEC, which informs us that Royal Bank of Canada and BayStar Capital II are registering for sale of up to 3,850,000 shares. The Registration Statement also reveals that Boies will now be representing SCO in the Red Hat lawsuit in Delaware, as well as in the IBM case in Utah, and in connection with other matters having to do with protecting SCO's IP, whatever "other matters" turns out to mean. Details of the payment for these legal services are provided. They only mention two licensees under the SCOSource program.

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Most Recent Post: 11/20 12:39PM by Anonymous

A Cynical Eye on SCO, MS, and Indemnification
Monday, November 17 2003 @ 10:44 AM EST

Harvard's Berkman Center for Internet & Society is beginning a new feature, which they are calling "Case in Point". They are going follow a case specifically and discuss it online, and they are starting with SCO v. IBM. They describe Groklaw as a discussion group on the subject and list it as a resource, and while that isn't all that we do, I take it as another confirmation of the value of the comments on Groklaw.

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Most Recent Post: 11/18 10:22PM by Anonymous

A Search Engine Mystery Solved
Monday, November 17 2003 @ 10:17 AM EST

Slashdot has a followup on the story we first broke about peculiar results on MSN compared with Google. I read through all the comments carefully, and picking through the trolls and the shills, I found that some think the phenomenon may be the result of MSN having first paid-for listings, followed by all the rest, the real results. However, it turns out there are no real results. You can't escape paid results anywhere on MSN. Moreover, it isn't results by computer algorithm alone; human editors are involved in filtering the results you get. Here is what I found out and how.

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Most Recent Post: 11/19 04:20PM by Anonymous

Agreement No. SOFT-2538 --SCO Exhibit D -- "A License for Nothing"
Sunday, November 16 2003 @ 07:43 AM EST

Here is SOFT-2538, the 1998 IBM-Santa Cruz reference software code agreement, attached to SCO's Amended Complaint as Exhibit D. Amendment X was also bundled with this SOFT-2538 as Exhibit D, for reasons I don't understand and can only guess. Amendment X was signed in 1996. Allan Kim's explanation on sco.iwethey.org is here:
Exhibit D -- Santa Cruz Operation Inc. Reference Source Code Agreement No. SOFT-2538

I find it curious that SCO bundled both Amendment X and SOFT-2538 together as the two documents seem to be independent of each other. Amendment X clearly modified the original agreements back to Exhibit A. As such it seems to apply to the System V source code and documentation listed in excruciating detail in the original contract (Exhibit A). The February 1998 agreement, SOFT-2538, explicitly applies to "reference software products" ordered after the signing of the agreement. Without a list of those orders SOFT-2538 seems to be essentially meaningless -- it states the detailed terms of a license for nothing.


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Most Recent Post: 11/25 06:37AM by Anonymous

Novell-SCO Asset Purchase Agreement
Sunday, November 16 2003 @ 01:10 AM EST

Here is the Asset Purchase Agreement between SCO and Novell. It has particular importance now that SCO is claiming a non-compete clause it says it will enforce if Novell tries to release a Linux distribution. They appear to be referring to clause 1.6. However, as you will see, the interpretation they are giving that clause appears to be dependent on Linux actually containing SCO's code, something that is yet to be proven and which many feel is unlikely ever to be proven.

Here is the language I think they are referring to:

Seller agrees that it shall use the Licensed Technology only (i) for internal purposes without restriction or (ii) for resale in bundled or integrated products sold by Seller which are not directly competitive with the core products of Buyer and in which the Licensed Technology does not constitute a primary portion of the value of the total bundled or integrated product.
Obviously, this is talking about Unix code, the code they were licensing, not Linux. You have to stretch quite a bit to even get what McBride might be thinking to imagine this as being applicable to Linux, because SCO wasn't licensing Linux and the wording is talking about the code they were licensing. If they mean the Unix code they claim is inside Linux, the next question (after they actually prove that claim, which they haven't yet) would be: how much do the four chunks SCO is claiming, SMP, RCU etc., constitute in the whole picture? To qualify for the non-compete clause to kick in, it would have to "constitute a primary portion of the value of the total bundled or integrated product", which arguably it would not, especially when you consider that not a lot of us actually use that code in the first place, let alone it being only a portion of the whole.

This was done as a group project, with lots of volunteers working on one section and then putting it all together, and it was hard work, because the original was so unclear that a lot of the times, it was a matter of typing from scratch. Praise and thanks to all. I especially want to thank Edward MacNaghten for pulling all the pieces together into one document. Also to the team: in the order I heard from them, with more to go -- Steve Martin, beast, Philip Stephens, Chris Brewer, Rand McNatt, Bill Sharrock, and Thomas Le Page, and some others too modest to be mentioned but who also made a contribution.

[Update: Here is the PDF. This is not a complete version, however. Note that paragraph 4.11 mentions that the Schedules were not finished. Later, more were added, and the missing schedules are found here, along with various amendments to the schedules, along with amendments to this APA (1, 2, Technology License Agreement, and Bill of Sale, all on our Contracts page under the subheadings Novell and Santa Cruz.

Later, IBM also filed a copy of the APA [PDF] in SCO v. IBM, complete with all attachments, 98-pages in all, but it has a pagination error. Page 98 should go between pages 66 and 67. Compare here. And Novell also filed it in two parts, Part 1 and Part 2 [PDFs] in the SCO v. Novell litigation, and it is paginated correctly.

Also, with so many interpretations offered, it might help to look to the reasons each side gave at the time, as to what was intended. Here's Novell's 1995 press release and here's one from SCO, posted at the time to comp.unix.sco.misc. Both said that the idea in 1995 was to merge OpenServer and Novell's UnixWare.]


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Most Recent Post: 07/20 02:44PM by Anonymous

SCO's Exhibit C - The AT&T/IBM Side Letter
Sunday, November 16 2003 @ 01:01 AM EST

Here is the "what's mine is mine and what's yours is yours" AT&T/IBM Side Letter, attached to SCO's Amended Complaint as Exhibit C. Thanks, once again, to the loyal and hard-working Scott McKellar for providing it to Groklaw.


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Most Recent Post: 12/28 05:46PM by cbc

Update on the Subpoenas; and The Public Interest in a Free, Open Source OS
Saturday, November 15 2003 @ 12:28 AM EST

Just a quick update on the subpoenas. Linus' is for documents, not for him to be deposed, according to OSDL. And Richard Stallman tells me that so far he has yet to receive one. As for Linus, there is this official word from OSDL's web site:

"November 14, 2003 - The Open Source Development Labs (OSDL), a global consortium of leading technology companies dedicated to accelerating the adoption of Linux, today confirmed that both OSDL and Linux creator Linus Torvalds had received subpoenas on Wednesday from attorneys for The SCO Group. The subpoenas were issued in The SCO Group's pending litigation with IBM. The subpoenas request that OSDL and Torvalds produce documents for use in that dispute.

"OSDL has agreed to fund legal representation for Torvalds and any other employees of the Lab who may become involved in the litigation.

"OSDL is represented by AterWynne LLP."

So, OSDL will pay for Linus' attorney, whatever firm he eventually chooses to retain. The fact that they are asking for documents only doesn't mean they will never seek to depose Linus; it just means that those of you booking flights in your dream world to get to watch Linus and rms being deposed can stop daydreaming. It may happen down the road, but it doesn't look like it'll be now.


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Most Recent Post: 11/21 07:19PM by Anonymous

Deutsche Bank: SCO May Sue Corporate End Users Soon After All --Decatur Jones: So?
Friday, November 14 2003 @ 06:04 PM EST

Brian Skiba of Deutsche Bank has put out another SCO report, "Four Reasons Why This Story Remains Compelling NOW" and he is predicting that SCO will "finalize" financial arrangements with Boies shortly and then they will open up a new campaign front and start suing corporate end users, maybe as soon as the end of the month. Boies isn't getting paid enough already? Or were the earlier stories floated in the press just hype? Now they are finalizing arrangements? I thought they told us and the SEC they did that already. Who knows where the truth lies with these people, no pun intended.

Should there be such "high profile" legal moves, Skiba writes, the stock could pick up nicely, because he says there has been "a relative dearth of news flow over the past several months". He's marking on a curve, evidently. Note also the disclaimer at the end:

"Deutsche Bank and/or its affiliates(s) makes a market in securities issued by the following companies(s): SCO Group, Inc. (The)."

Oh. No agenda there, then.

Wall Street may go wild on this report, I suppose, briefly, because hype and emotion is all, it seems with those hungry dudes, at least the so-called "small" investors. The distinct impression I am getting, being new to finance, is that the big fish in the loop depend on the little fish outside of it going into a feeding frenzy on cue, but what do I know? I'm no financial analyst.

Dion Cornett of Decatur Jones Equity Partners, the only other analyst following SCO closely, disputes the DB math, and shows in his October 27 report on SCO that, viewed rationally, no matter what SCO does, in his opinion, there is no way SCO can reach a $45 target from the licensing program, even at its most successful, and his math and his logic is compelling. He rates SCO "Underperform", which they define as meaning "returns at least 15% below the appropriate index". Part of his reasoning is that there are some workarounds that will make it hard for SCO to prove who is and who isn't using SCO code, even if you accept that any of it is theirs to claim, including a survival strategy of sticking with the 2.2 kernel for now and just upgrading applications on top. It's an interesting idea that technically could work for most SMBs. Some more financial facts on SCO on this Forbes page.

With that introduction, here are relevant snips from each analyst's report, including details on the survival strategy.


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Most Recent Post: 12/07 03:13AM by Anonymous

SCO To Red Hat Court: Please Don't Make Us Show Our Code Yet
Friday, November 14 2003 @ 04:39 AM EST

There has been a small development in the Red Hat case in Delaware. SCO has filed, on October 24th, its "Defendant's Consolidated Reply in Support of Defendant's Motion to Stay Discovery Pending Resolution of the Motion to Dismiss and Its Motion for Enlargement of Time." That's quite a mouthful, and as the cumbersome name implies, this memorandum is supporting both of their previously filed motions, for a delay pending a ruling on their motion for dismissal or if that doesn't work, for more time to fork evidence over.

This is SCO's new attorney for the Red Hat case, by the way, so it's our first chance to see him at work. They again tell the judge that they don't want to do discovery in Delaware until she rules on their Motion to Dismiss. If they win, they argue, then there is no need for discovery. If they partly win, they might not have to turn everything over that Red Hat is asking for. It wouldn't be fair to make them show their cards now, and then if they win, it's too late to take it back.

Again they argue that most of the issues are going to be handled in the Utah case (of course most isn't generally enough, but they slide right over that point), so in the alternative, they'd like to let the IBM case go to a resolution first and then do Red Hat, like in 2005 or 2006. Say, is that when Longhorn comes out? What a coincidence.


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