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Corrections
Authored by: alisonken1 on Saturday, June 22 2013 @ 11:29 AM EDT
title: Kerrections -> Corrections
Comment: Any additional points to locate where corrections
should be made.

---
- Ken -
import std_disclaimer.py
Registered John Doe^W^WLinux user #296561
Slackin' since 1993
http://www.slackware.com

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Nathan Myhrvold Tries To Avoid a Lodsys Deposition and Spills Some Beans ~pj
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, June 22 2013 @ 11:34 AM EDT
"Dr. Myhrvold is not a party to the Cases and has no knowledge of the
patent claims at issue. Dr. Myhrvold is the Founder and CEO of IV and maintains
a busy professional schedule, down to the hour, that requires frequent domestic
and international travel. Taking even a few hours of Dr. Myhrvold’s time for
this deposition would present a great burden on IV and Dr. Myhrvold personally.
"

Busy cooking?

In addition to his business and scientific interests, he is a serious amateur
chef. Myhrvold's early culinary training was as an observer and unpaid
apprentice at Rover's, one of Seattle's leading restaurants, with Chef Thierry
Rautureau.[24] Myhrvold is the principal author of a culinary text entitled
Modernist Cuisine, released in March 2011, on the application of scientific
research principles and new techniques and technology to cooking.[25] He has
also won first place at the Memphis barbecue championship and appeared as a
guest judge on Top Chef.

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COMES thread here
Authored by: alisonken1 on Saturday, June 22 2013 @ 11:35 AM EDT
If you have more Comes documents to add to the list, reply
here.

Remember, use HTLM markup in the page, but post as text so PJ
can copy/paste them into the proper pages.

---
- Ken -
import std_disclaimer.py
Registered John Doe^W^WLinux user #296561
Slackin' since 1993
http://www.slackware.com

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OFF topic here
Authored by: alisonken1 on Saturday, June 22 2013 @ 11:36 AM EDT
If you post on topic for this article, you will be forced to
read the entire SCO saga to your fish. You have been warned.

---
- Ken -
import std_disclaimer.py
Registered John Doe^W^WLinux user #296561
Slackin' since 1993
http://www.slackware.com

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Nathan Myhrvold Tries To Avoid a Lodsys Deposition and Spills Some Beans ~pj
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, June 22 2013 @ 12:21 PM EDT
Hmm, what's this then - a falling out between thieves ?

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Deposition?
Authored by: kawabago on Saturday, June 22 2013 @ 01:20 PM EDT
He should be in stocks in the public square!

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News Picks Thread
Authored by: artp on Saturday, June 22 2013 @ 03:05 PM EDT
Did I miss this, or was it missing?

URLs, please!

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Userfriendly on WGA server outage:
When you're chained to an oar you don't think you should go down when the galley
sinks ?

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Nathan Myhrvold Tries To Avoid a Lodsys Deposition and Spills Some Beans ~pj
Authored by: Nick_UK on Saturday, June 22 2013 @ 07:03 PM EDT
Strange how Bill Gates keeps cropping up lately.

Nice man.

Nick

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Belonging to the Privileged Class
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, June 23 2013 @ 02:06 AM EDT
It has long been held that corporations are persons in a legal sense, which has
led to corporations having all of the rights of people and yet, confusingly,
none of the responsibilities carrying penalties such as incarceration or
execution.

Around this preposterous concept has grown a new class of privileged
industrialists, with the wealth and connections to avoid being held to the
standards of ordinary people - most obviously in terms of contributing to
society by way of a fair share in tax payments.

It is only natural that these people, so endowed, would hold themselves to be
above the legal wranglings of little people and excuse themselves on the grounds
of the importance of themselves.

The French reached an out-of-court settlement with the privileged classes in
1789, the Russians in 1917...

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Comes across to me like...
Authored by: jmc on Sunday, June 23 2013 @ 07:39 AM EDT
Rival Mafia bosses disputing control of a particular piece of turf.

Probably the Mafia bosses would have more scruples though.

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Can't resist this one...
Authored by: itchytweed on Sunday, June 23 2013 @ 07:45 AM EDT
From PJ's description: IV -> Webvention, LLC -> Lodsys. Now
Lodsys is complaining. Webvention doing "patent laundering"?
May not be but the parallel seems to be, at least to me. And
Lodsys is trying to get back to IV to kinda ask "What gives?"
This will be interesting to watch.

-- itchytweed

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Why is Lodsys trying to depose Mhyrvold?
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, June 23 2013 @ 03:37 PM EDT
I don't see what Lodsys intends to gain here...unless someone on Lodsys team
admires Mr Snowden...Can someone clue me in a bit??

Thanks
(Christenson)

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Nathan Myhrvold Tries To Avoid a Lodsys Deposition and Spills Some Beans ~pj
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, June 24 2013 @ 09:36 AM EDT
Given his 'valuable time', wouldn't it have been quicker and less time consuming
for him just to turn up and answer the questions - rather than go through the
whole palaver (and expense) of creating a court case which he may lose? Perhaps
the reasons he has given are not his actual reasons..... Perhaps somebody will
chime up that I am simply stating the obvious.

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PJ, who should root for? My understanding....
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, June 25 2013 @ 12:33 AM EDT
While Nathan and IV should be put under a microscope, who does it help in
this case?

While Lodsys is suing iOS and Android developers, Apple (and I think
Google) have licenses for the patents from IV.

IV says they don't put all the terms in the licenses and expects common law
to sort it out, ie patent exhaustion.

Since this article talks about Apple, I'll use them as the example but also
applies to whoever else has a license from IV, when they owned the
patents. Licenses that the new patent owners, Lodsys, have to respect.

So my understanding, thus far... Simplified

Apple has a license from IV for the patent. Lodsys says fine, but iOS
developers don't have a license and need to pay Lodsys. Apple says their
original license covers the developers bc the patent involves payment
systems used in iOS and the App Store platform.. There's no reason for
Apple to pay for a license for In App Purchases if the license doesn't cover
the developers.. 2nd theory, patent exhaustion, similar to the first.

So while we would like IV to get scrutinized by a proctologist, in this
situation it seems that Lodsys is desperate bc their cases aren't going so
well?
Lodsys wants the deposition that might or might not help their case.
Specifically, Lodsys wants to know more about MS contracts with IV, to
know if the MS/IV licenses support Apples claims or not, hoping that they
won't.

So as much as I/We dislike IV, the deposition could hurt the iOS and
Android developers.

My non factual estimation of events:

IV got MS, Apple, and all the big players to sign up for licenses. IV knew
they themselves couldn't try to sue their licensees' developers bc it might
not be legal and would ruin their relationships with the big players. IV didn't

want to try to double dip.

IV sold the patents to others, hinting that the new patent owners
"might"
have a chance to sue the developers.

Lodsys wants to question IV about these licenses, bc the patents may now
be worthless if all the developers for the big players are covered by the IV
license.

Does this sound somewhat correct?

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Talk about patent trolls shooting each other in the foot!
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, June 25 2013 @ 12:32 PM EDT
LOL if I understand correctly, IV sold the patents to WebVention which sold to
Lodsys.

And Lodsys is now trying to depose IV's Nathan Myhrvold to contend that their
patents are legit.

And IV's Myhrvold now realizes what hot soup he would get into if he is
deposed.

Talk about karma coming back to bite you in the behind!

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