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But the centuries of prior art kills that. | 545 comments | Create New Account
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But the centuries of prior art kills that.
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, June 15 2013 @ 08:21 AM EDT
Both products have been around for a very long time.

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Sound reasoning
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, June 15 2013 @ 12:40 PM EDT

But I wonder how that falls into 101. And I might have to rethink steel too.

So yea - they both have faults in them where I need to rethink my examples next time I'm working on those thoughts.

On the topics of steel and sword. The process does appear to be an appropriate process - it requires the physical and produces a physical outcome. And it definitely takes skill and experience.

Neither could fall into "manufacture" if my understanding of the intent of that word is correct.

Steel couldn't reasonably be said to be a machine. I'd say a sword is a basic tool. Granted, we have a specific word that kind of basic tool: weapon. Does it make sense to patent basic tools? Do basic tools fall into the "machine" sense?

Finally we have "composition of matter". One legal dictionary says:

these words are usually applied to mixtures and chemical compositions, and in these cases it is enough that the compound is new. Both the composition and the mode of compounding may be considered as included in the invention, when the compound is new.
Steel is an alloy - so as a composition of matter it does seem fit after all. And does so reasonably in my humble opinion. As a result, instead of "I don't know" I'll have to change that opinion to yes. Keeping in mind today contains plenty of prior art on that so it should fail otherwise if someone attempted to patent it today.

A sword though - is simply a molding of said alloy. So the sword doesn't appear to pass that test.

So back to the basic tool question:

    Does a basic tool fall into the definition of machine?
A basic definition of machine (not necessarily as the law views it) is:
    An apparatus using or applying mechanical power to perform a particular task.
In physics, I think the work our muscles do is considered mechanical power. So in that sense, it is reasonable that the sword would be considered in the broad category of machine and patentable.

I tend to think of "machine" though in the sense of moving components - if it doesn't contain moving parts - is it a machine? But I also think that definition is based more on a possible illusion I formed as a child then any particular definition.

A lever is a tool. According to some education sources, the six most common simple machines are:

lever, pulley, inclined plane, wedge, screw, and wheel and axle
Definition of the simple machine is:
Any of the six elementary devices that provide mechanical or other advantage.
I think the "any of the six" is slightly misleading as the six are identified as the "most common" - not only. So that leaves us with:
    elementary devices that provide mechanical or other advantage
A sword does provide advantage over someone with a weapon less deadly. But I think that's a "reaching" argument (pardon the pun). A sword added to a device to create a "chopping unit" such as a meat processing device is reasonably be viewed as a machine.

In that same sense, is the screw driver considered an elementary machine? Or does it only cross that line when human ingenuity adds it to a device that we end up calling an assembly line robot?

Interesting questions. And nope - still haven't decided for myself whether a sword is reasonably considered a machine (even if only an elementary machine). I am leaning in that direction though.

RAS

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