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EFF and ACLU Request FISA Court Unseal Its Opinions on Legality of Surveillance Conducted Under FISA Amendments, Patriot Act ~p
Authored by: stegu on Monday, June 10 2013 @ 04:53 PM EDT
The American revolution, like most revolutions, has strayed quite far from its
roots. History has a way of repeating itself, because people really don't
change. Bigotry, greed, fear and general stupidity have a tendency to take the
upper hand over time unless you fight them, fiercely and constantly.
In a time when many governments actively encourage (even engage in) all four of
the above, there is little to stop the downward spiral.

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Real vs Illusory Rights
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, June 10 2013 @ 06:37 PM EDT

Not sure when I developed it, but I currently hold the belief:

    If a Country is unwilling - or unable - to hold the rights for a non-citizen as they do a citizen: The citizenry need to be extra-ordinarly vigilant as the rights are fictitious and will likely disappear when those in Power see the citizenry has relaxed sufficiently.

RAS

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At one time
Authored by: argee on Monday, June 10 2013 @ 07:52 PM EDT
We went to war with a nation that had Secret Police,
Secret Kangaroo Courts, Secret Indictments, middle of
the night arrests, incarceration in secret with no access
to the outside, and jails outside general jurisdiction.
All done in the name of State Security. And the people
basically went along with it.

This was Nazi Germany with the Gestapo, concentration
camps and the black marias. Or the USSR with its GRU,
KGG, gulags, etc.

We now have replaced the Gestapo name with the likes of
three and four letter acronyms: TSA, NSA, Homeland Security, FISA, FISC,
Guantanamo, military courts etc.
Different names and acronyms for the same thing.

The present US Government is equating government and
administration with the "country or nation." Under this
notion, it has come to the point that the government does
not trust its citizens and has to protect itself against
"them."

As the government acts get more and more outrageous, it
expresses the fear via such things as "gun control." Gun
control having largely failed to gain traction with the
public, it has now resorted to ammunition control. If
you have not folled this, be aware that a lot of ammunition
is now very hard or impossible to get with long waiting
times. Just ask at any hardware store why they cannot
get simple rounds like 5.56, 7.62x39, 30-06, .308 or even
the lowly .22LR. Its getting to be unobtanium.

Once the citizens are disarmed, the laws will get more
paranoid and egregious. And more and more people will work
for the government Security forces to enforce and surveill
the ones that don't work for them.

We are actually well along the way on this process, in
case you hadn't noticed. Examples are everywhere.

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argee

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  • At one time - Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 02:49 PM EDT
    • Can you? - Authored by: Marc Mengel on Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 06:06 PM EDT
    • No - Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 06:22 PM EDT
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