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So... from that perspective, software is patentable? | 183 comments | Create New Account
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So... from that perspective, software is patentable?
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, June 04 2013 @ 12:13 PM EDT

The full quote:

stakeholders remain concerned about patents with overly broad claims — particularly in the context of software
They're speaking of overly broad claims - not the fact that software is totally abstract.
Lemley has been pointing out for quite some time that the broadness of software patents almost certainly violates the 1952 Patent Act's prohibition on so-called "functional claiming."
It'll be interesting to see when they manage to eventually realize that:
    specific claiming on software is not patentable because it claims specific algorithms
and
    broad claiming on software violates functional claiming
together equate to:
    software is not patentable*
So long as they keep trying to wave the magic wand to keep software patentable - they'll keep making exceptions that logically allow all software which conflicts with the clear statements of Law.

* For anyone that would like to dispute all software falls into those two areas, your challenge: Identify a single piece of working "code" that does something but is not a math algorithm.

And just so you understand, we who understand basic math understand "Sally has 5 apples, John steals 3, how many apples does Sally have left" is still just math. So at least give it a good try to come up with something that is not actually math.

Remember: applied math is still just math. You could be building a deck and apply the 3-4-5 measurement to make sure your patio is square. The application of that measurement is not, and should never be, patentable subject matter.

RAS

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You raise an important concern
Authored by: Gringo_ on Tuesday, June 04 2013 @ 12:44 PM EDT
It will be hard to say something specifically about software patents in some proposed legislation without incidentally validating the idea of software patents in the same breath. As soon as software patents are recognized as a category - that's it! Of course, you don't need to specifically mention software patents to address this issue. Let's hope they don't.

Above I made some negative comments about copyrights and the current administration instead of sharing in the "joy" at the news that the administration recognizes patent reform is needed. That is because I am cynical there will be any significant reform. Specifically, all this talk about the classic patent troll when the problem is every bit as much the way Apple and Microsoft use their patents - and how they rent them out to trolls to do their dirty work for them.

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