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The problem is: "as such"
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, May 10 2013 @ 06:03 PM EDT

As long as they keep that phrase in there, Patent Lawyers will continue to try and weasel word their way around it.

RAS

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Fed. Circuit en banc rules in CLS Bank ~pj
Authored by: symbolset on Saturday, May 11 2013 @ 03:16 AM EDT
Hooray! If upheld on appeal we might actually start getting back to the normal
rate of progress.

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Fed. Circuit en banc rules in CLS Bank ~pj
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, May 12 2013 @ 03:24 AM EDT
Nope, I read the actual legal text. Any reporting that it bans software patents is NOT to be believed.

10A(1) "A computer program is not an invention and not a manner of manufacture for the purposes of this Act."

That bit sounds great, however:

10A(2) "Subsection (1) prevents anything from being an invention or a manner of manufacture for the purposes of this Act only to the extent that a claim in a patent or an application relates to a computer program as such."

The "as such" phrase has been twisted into a bizarre legalese equaling software-that-doesn't-do-anything. Software-which-does-something is NOT "software as such". The way the patent lawyers rationalize this is by saying they are not claiming a patent on the software (as such), they are claiming a patent on what the software does. 10A(2) essentially says that 10A(1) ONLY applies to excluding software-that-doesn't-do-anything.

Taken together, 10A(1) and 10A(2) basically translate into a pair of blank lines. That leaves us with 10A(3) as the only meaningful section:

10A(3) "A claim in a patent or an application relates to a computer program as such if the actual contribution made by the alleged invention lies solely in it being a computer program."

This does exclude something - it says if you take an old familiar non-patentable thing it cannot become patentable if the sole thing you add is the words "on a computer". However that only excludes the really loony crap that has generally been getting thrown out anyway. It does NOT exclude software that does something "new". In particular it does not exclude the classic radical-pure-software patents like the GIF patent and the RSA encryption patent. The GIF patent is a claim on compressing images, and the RSA patent is a claim on encrypting stuff. Nither of those is a claim on "software as such", it's a claim on what the software does. And in neither of does the contribution lie "solely in it being a computer program", the contributions are compressing images and encrypting stuff.

So what this bill actually did was enshrine radical pure-software patents into law. It's the radical patent expansionist agenda that anything "useful" and "new" must be patentable. The 10A(2) represents the "useful" part, you can only claim software that does something useful. 10A(3) represents the "new" part, with the comical clarification that it takes more than "on a computer" to qualify as something new.

Just to be thorough I'll address the remaining sections:

10A(4) "The Commissioner or the court (as the case may be) must, in identifying the actual contribution made by the alleged invention, consider the following:

(a) the substance of the claim (rather than its form and the contribution alleged by the applicant) and the actual contribution it makes:

(b) what problem or other issue is to be solved or addressed:

(c) how the relevant product or process solves or addresses the problem or other issue:

(d) the advantages or benefits of solving or addressing the problem or other issue in that manner:

(e) any other matters the Commissioner or the court thinks relevant."

It's a list of things to "think about" while examining a patent. And really the only thing I see as notable is (b) "what problem or other issue is to be solved or addressed", which is pretty much just a reminder that what the software does is the basis for claiming/issuing the patent. 10A(5) "To avoid doubt, a patent must not be granted for anything that is not an invention and not a manner of manufacture under this section."

Another section which, here, does exactly nothing. The prior sections precisely map out "software that does something new" isn't-not an invention. That double-negative quite loudly implies which software supposedly is an "invention".

The bill also has clause 165B, clause 264, and Schedule 2 Part 2, but those are trivia unrelated to patentability.

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The problem with the judges is twofold.
Authored by: kozmcrae on Sunday, May 12 2013 @ 11:00 AM EDT
Not only do the judges not understand the technology, they are not aware that
they do not understand the technology.

This is a case of technology far out stripping society's ability to acclimate
itself to it without serious, disruptive consequences.

---
It all started with Lynda Carter playing Wonder Woman in the '70s. Now I'm a
Heroine addict.

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More on that "as such"
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, May 12 2013 @ 09:00 PM EDT
The Commerce Minister Craig Foss has announced changes to the Patents Bill making it clear software cannot be patented unless it has a physical effect, like the software that runs a washing machine.
Radio New Zealand Midday News for 13 May 2013, item at 8'30".
Sorry I can't find that in print anywhere, so I don't know who might have said it. However if RNZ's news editors think it is clear to that extent, then we have yet another (non-authoritative) interpretation. I wonder if a physical effect includes turning a traffic light from red to green, or making a sound, like "Game Over, Man".

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