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Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, May 14 2013 @ 04:08 PM EDT

My hero?? All I said was,

Whatever you may think of Judge Rader and his views on patents, there is no doubt that this statement is legally correct.

Are you disputing the legal correctness of the footnote that I quote?

Actually, if Judge Rader were my "hero," then I would seem to have some very good company.

You, yourself, quoted Julie Samuels, who filed a brief on behalf of the EFF(!):

Julie Samuels, who participated in the case by submitting an amicus brief for EFF, is quoted in PC World as saying that the ruling gives confusing signals:

But Julie Samuels, an intellectual property lawyer with the Electronic Frontier Foundation, said the ruling gives little guidance to courts on patent eligibility. While judges on the court agreed Alice's patents weren't valid, they agreed on little else, she said.

Five judges in the 10-judge court sided with the majority opinion, while five other judges concurred in part and dissented in part. In addition to the majority ruling, judges filed five other comments on the case.

"We have not very much more direction as to what's patentable," said Samuels, who filed a brief asking the court to invalidate the Alice patents. "This ruling is all over the place."

You also cited some articles that were published in Groklaw some time ago in support of the following proposition:

... What they don't understand yet, but we'll keep explaining until they do, is that ... it's all mathematics, mathematical manipulation of symbols, nothing more magical than that. Not that mathematics isn't magical. It is. But it's not patentable subject matter.

The articles you cited were:

• Why Software is Abstract

• What Does "Software Is Mathematics" Mean? Part 1 - Software Is Manipulation of Symbols

• What Does "Software Is Mathematics" Mean? Part 2: A Semiotics Approach to the Patent Eligibility of Software

• A Simpler Explanation of Why Software is Mathematics

• An Explanation of Computation Theory for Lawyers

Yet your beloved majority opinion states, at page 9:

For example, deciding whether or not a particular claim is abstract can feel subjective and unsystematic, and the debate often trends toward the metaphysical, littered with unhelpful analogies and generalizations.

I would submit that all these Groklaw articles probably would fall into that category. I am neither a mathematician nor do I have a degree in that subject, but I did have more than four years of graduate training in a field heavily steeped in mathematics and, to a lesser extent, computation. I've read these articles. Even with my background, I have to tell you that I think they trend "toward the metaphysical, littered with unhelpful analogies and generalizations."

My own gut reaction is that this case may be appealed to the Supreme Court, which might then write another case full of unhelpful "guidance" (which might be a good reason to let the case stand as is).

Another possibility is that it will take another completely different case and/or an Act of Congress to resolve this issue, and that this particular case will fall into the trash heap of unhelpful, poorly written opinions that are of interest mainly because of their having been unhelpful and poorly written -- not because of any landmark decision or precedent they provide.

And all that will come of the current case may well be a patent on methods for arguing before a court that elicit, in a single case, almost as many different and incompatible opinions from the court as there are judges hearing the case.

Of course, I could be wrong now, but I don't think so. It's a jungle out there. (Thanks to Monk and Randy Newman.)

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