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Indeed Borland
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, May 08 2013 @ 06:08 PM EDT
You are right. And as usual American lawyers and their ilk is wrong.
Law is too important to be left solely to the lawmen.

[ Reply to This | Parent | # ]

To put succintly
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, May 08 2013 @ 06:33 PM EDT

Copyright gives limited rights:

    Right to attribution
    Right to create copies
    Right to first distribution
    Right to create derivative works
    Right to performance/display/transmission
That, of course, comes with limitations such as fair use.

Anything outside that is a landgrab by Copyright owners attempting to assume more authority then Copyright alone allows. For example, copyright says nothing about how many users are allowed to use the copyright protected work at a time - two people can read the same book at the same time.

Yet EULA's attach such terms in order to increase the limitations.... and if you dare breach any term of the EULA, you risk having your license revoked.

Under reasonable situations, to have the license revoked should automatically apply default Copyright Law to the situation. Or, at worst, you face nothing more then the civil penalties for breach of license.

This appears true in Germany where the one defendant who argued the GPL was invalid was told by the Judge "I hope you have another license, or because you admit to creating copies and distributing, you are in clear breach of copyright law".

However, I don't think this question has ever been raised or considered by any Court of Law anywhere.

In the US, it seems to be balanced on the premise of the Legal difference between "owning a copy" and "licensing a copy". It would be rather interesting to see this applied in a case on a physical copyright protected work - like a book. "You do not purchase this book, you only license it - if you breach the license, you must destroy the book."

My humble, non legal, opinion.

RAS

[ Reply to This | Parent | # ]

Indeed Borland
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, May 09 2013 @ 02:17 AM EDT
The problem that software vendors had with the "like a book" licensing
was when it came to the "lending" of software (and to some extent
renting). With high speed networking of machines, it might only take a matter of
milliseconds for me to lend a program to you (that is to say, transfer it from
my machine to yours). Depending on the nature of the software, you might only
need it for a couple of seconds (in order to compile a program or search a
database or somesuch) and then you could "return" the lent software
back to me. This type of activity was permitted under U.S. copyright law up
until 1990.

The fear was that lending of this type would permit a single copy of a
particular program to be shared amongst dozens, even hundreds, of users on a
network and so End User Licensing Agreements were introduced in an effort to
restrict it.

After Congress modified the law in 1990 to prohibit the lending and renting of
software, the need for a EULA to address this concern disappeared; but
unfortunately EULAs did not.

[ Reply to This | Parent | # ]

  • Thanks - Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, May 09 2013 @ 05:19 AM EDT
  • Lending software on line - Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, May 09 2013 @ 05:28 AM EDT
    • Two ways... - Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, May 10 2013 @ 01:37 AM EDT
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