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Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, May 03 2013 @ 02:02 PM EDT

I'm still having trouble finding the specific reference I'd like. I've just assigned a task to myself:

    Make a list of all the associating Supreme Court rulings that touch on abstract concepts that I have crossed paths with via Groklaw over the last 5 years
    Go through each of them to extract specific quotes that I feel are rather important points that the Supremes are making
Of course, that'll take me some time.

Back to the specific concept. As I understand what the Supreme's are saying, I'm using "pencil and paper" to signify "it can be done with the mind".

Put in that context:

    1) Using a spoon, you can lift soup to your mouth - can you lift soup to your mouth with just your mind?
    2) Using a screwdriver you can embed a screw in wood - can you embed a screw into wood with just your mind?
    3) Using a pencil and paper, you can calculate the full area of a triangle having been provided with the measurements of 2 of the sides and one of the angles... can you perform that same task with just your mind?
The answers to 1 and 2 are no - unless you happen to have the mental power of telekinesis. Your examples of a spoon and screwdriver are misleading as they are completely outside the concept of "performing a process with your mind".

The answer to 3 is yes - some more easily then others due to better training - but all are capable.

Of course, all that should be quite clear given my previous example of language interpretation via Morse.

The definition of abstract that was left out, to which I refer, to which I believe the Supremes refer, is:

    Existing in thought or as an idea but not having a physical existence.
Like math, language, communication. A few quotes from Mayo v Prometheus:
"[L]aws of nature, natural phenomena, and abstract ideas" are not patentable.
"Phenomena of nature, though just discovered, mental processes, and abstract intellectual concepts are not patentable, as they are the basic tools of scientific and technological work."
"[P]ost-solution activity" that is purely "conventional or obvious," theCourt wrote, "can[not] transform an unpatentable principle into a patentable process."
But it held that simply implementing a mathematical principle on a physical machine, namely a computer, was not a patentable application of that principle.
Thus, in Morse the Court set aside as unpatentable Samuel Morse’s general claim for "‘the use of the motive power of the electric or galvanic current . . . however developed, for making or printing intelligible characters, letters, or signs, at any distances,’"
Bolding mine.

As a result, I stand by my opinion:

    If you use existing hardware and only interpret the signals the hardware receives differently: according to how I understand what the Supremes have stated it's not patentable subject matter
You want a patent? Your best tactic to acquire a patent is to build a brand new machine that can collect those signals.

Of course - at that point, if existing radio technology already receives those signals, your patent should be rejected by the USPTO due to prior art anyway.

RAS

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What a bizar definition.
Authored by: PJ on Friday, May 03 2013 @ 03:50 PM EDT
You are mocking the US Supreme Court. If
it can be done in the mind or with a pencil
and paper, it is unlikely to pass the bar
now set by the court, which asks: where is
the machine? For that matter, where is the
invention? Process can sometimes work, but
after Bilski, it's harder.

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