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If you've done nothing to the hardware....
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, May 02 2013 @ 11:42 AM EDT

... and the solution is purely in interpreting the signals, then:

    since it's pure abstraction - something that can be done with the human mind - it's not patent eligible subject matter
And it shouldn't be. Because the purpose is to promote the sciences:
    Exchange knowledge to the public for a limited monopoly on the specific implementation1 of an invention
That is supposed2 to mean that people can think and process the information freely. The Supremes3 themselves have said that if it can be done with pencil and paper it's not patent eligible.

So if the hardware already exists, and you can take the information (such as with the telegraph key) and write out the pattern of information - it's not patent eligible subject matter. And anyone that programs knows that what you can do with software, you can do with pencil and paper. Whether you can do so in a timely manner is quite moot with regards the point of whether something is patentable subject matter.

1: In my humble opinion the patent system has been perverted by those Patent Lawyers willing to abuse the system and get patents they know should not have been granted. It's quite telling those same individuals point to the Legal precedents they themselves had a hand in creating - which the Supreme's have not reviewed - in order to give a different impression of the Law that is the opposite of the clear statements the Supremes are making.

2: I say "supposed" in the context of patent eligibility because there are Patent Lawyers who insist math is patentable even though the Supremes keep saying it's not. And because the Supremes keep saying it's not, those same Lawyers keep obfuscating what they're patenting and using word games in order to get around the actual Patent Laws and how they are supposed to be applied. From Mayo vs Prometheus:

While a scientific truth, or the mathematical expression of it, is not a patentable invention, a novel and useful structure created with the aid of knowledge of scientific truth may be.
I understand this to mean: you build a mousetrap with the scientific knowledge of physics, while you can't patent the scientific knowledge, you can patent that mousetrap.
The Court pointed out that the basic mathematical equation, like a law of nature, was not patentable.
The Court, as in Diehr, pointed out that the basic mathematical equation, like a law of nature, was not patentable.
Finally, in Benson the Court considered the patentability of a mathematical process for converting binary-coded decimal numerals into pure binary numbers on a general purpose digital computer. The claims “purported to cover any use of the claimed method in a general-purpose digital computer of any type.” 409 U. S., at 64, 65. The Court recognized that “‘a novel and useful structure created with the aid of knowledge of scientific truth’” might be patentable. Id., at 67 (quoting Mackay Radio, 306 U. S., at 94).But it held that simply implementing a mathematical principle on a physical machine, namely a computer, was not a patentable application of that principle.
I understand that to mean "if all you've done is interpret the signal differently, it's not patentable". So if all you've done is use the exact same hardware in order to interpret a different radio signal, in my humble opinion:
    According to what the Supremes have stated, if my understanding is correct: it's not patent eligible subject matter
3: In order to cite the Supremes and the pencil/paper statement I took a read through both Bilski and Mayo vs Prometheus. I couldn't find my reference so I'll have to do more research to find where the Supremes authored that opinion to support my statement. I know I read it in one of their decision of the last few years.

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