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you mean it's 4000% lower than MS's patent shakedown rates? | 352 comments | Create New Account
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you mean it's 4000% lower than MS's patent shakedown rates?
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, April 26 2013 @ 04:37 PM EDT
IOW, any company that was named as paying that rate, would be instantly identified as a bunch of suckers who knew nothing about business, and even less about negotiation.

It all depends on what your product is. If you have a product that does exactly one thing, and therefore 99% of the value of the product is in one patent, then 2.25% is cheap. If you look at a modern smartphone that does hundreds of things, that could easily be covered by hundred patents. 100 times 2.25% = 225% of the sale price. Now if that smartphone uses some chip for one of its hundred functions and that chip is covered by a patent, 2.25% of the price is quite reasonable - if you take the price of the chip, not the price of the phone with 99 other functions.

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you mean it's 4000% lower than MS's patent shakedown rates?
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, April 27 2013 @ 03:30 AM EDT
"What you fail to understand is that the 2.25% rate is a _starting_
point"

What you fail to see is that if someone required to give you a fair an
reasonable (license) price than asking 50 million dollar for buying a KIA Cee'd
would not likely be considered reasonable either.

In serious negotiations you might over ask by 100% but not by 4 million
percent.

Google/Motorola could have asked 10 million dollar which is probably 100 times
more than Microsoft themselves get trough the MPEG-LA patent pool from Google
for the use of Microsofts own AVC/h.264 patents. 10 million would already have
been fairly high but possibly not unreasonable.

Asking for billions certainly was.

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