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Mixed feelings
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, April 09 2013 @ 12:08 PM EDT
I don't understand the gripe about maps.

I currently use waze as my GPS guidance tool of choice and
recently discovered the underlying maps were generated from
Bing Maps via the 'satellite' photos. They have been
extensively corrected by users
probably against the T&C of MS but seem to work well.

I thought I saw Waze are offering these continually updated
maps for sale.

In short you can use whose maps you want, whose search you
want and side load any apps you want - not a very strong
monopoly.

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Evidence please
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, April 09 2013 @ 12:55 PM EDT

What predatory pricing?

RAS

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Not A Monopoly, Just Dominant
Authored by: lnuss on Tuesday, April 09 2013 @ 12:59 PM EDT
"1. Google has a monopoly on search - not illegal monopoly, but
true."

Actually, not true. They are *dominant*, but not a monopoly -- Bing, Yahoo, Ask
Jeeves, etc. etc. are still out there -- and monopoly means no one else is doing
or can do it.

---
Larry N.

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Get access to maps?
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, April 09 2013 @ 12:59 PM EDT

Could a device manufacturer include a Bing search widget displayed as prominently as the Google search widget and still get access to Maps?
Why wouldn't they? What is Google doing that would cause what you describe to be a problem?

And Google certainly doesn't stop anyone from using Google Maps from any device that I know of. Even on a pure Microsoft device using pure MS software, you can access Google Maps.

Perhaps you have an example of this occurring?

RAS

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Wrong
Authored by: SilverWave on Tuesday, April 09 2013 @ 01:57 PM EDT
Q: lowest form of life
A: MS apologist

---
RMS: The 4 Freedoms
0 run the program for any purpose
1 study the source code and change it
2 make copies and distribute them
3 publish modified versions

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Mixed feelings
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, April 10 2013 @ 09:04 AM EDT
A monopoly is where you're forced to use a service because
there is no given alternative. Google does not force you to
use its search engine.

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Search
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, April 10 2013 @ 02:09 PM EDT

Could a device manufacturer include a Bing search widget displayed as prominently as the Google search widget and still get access to Maps? If not, that certainly comes close to what Microsoft was doing with IE.

Samsung Fascinate Uses Bing Instead of Google Search

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Mixed feelings
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, April 10 2013 @ 06:45 PM EDT
...I also have a few mixed feelings. It isn't that Google
is abusing monopoly power. That's just FUD.
...but Google's pretty close to achieving basically
unassailable network effects by virtue of having a dominant
mobile OS. Its competitors are turning to lawsuits because,
well, even if they were competent, they'd still lose.
Android will, most likely, be the defacto standard for the
next 30 years of mobile development. And, in practice, QNX
may be a better OS - just not enough better to dislodge
Android.
...remember when M$ became a dominant OS? It was, and
remains, nearly impossible to dislodge from the desktop in
spite of being an inferior choice.
...there's likely to be a similar outcome in terms of cloud
services. Even if someone has a better mail client, I won't
switch because I prefer Google's integrated services. So,
the barrier to entry becomes very, very high. And, even if
they came up with a better cloud solution, Google's shadow
network provides enough performance and reliability and
cost-savings that I still wouldn't switch.
...and very high barriers to entry are inherently anti-
consumer. Eventually, Google may have very little incentive
to improve its mail clients because it knows that a startup
is unlikely to create a complete personal cloud solution.
That's probably fine as long as the founders stay involved
with the company. And always way better than putting M$ in
that position. But, it may eventually be a worry.

...I just don't see a decent solution. Maybe a consent
document from Google agreeing that, when the field has
matured (10 years?), Google will provide well-established
API's that allow mixing and matching various cloud services.

--Erwin

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  • Mixed feelings - Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, April 11 2013 @ 12:22 AM EDT
    • Mixed feelings - Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, April 11 2013 @ 01:04 AM EDT
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