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| Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, March 24 2013 @ 01:02 PM EDT |
He claims that FaceBook is mass surveillance... can you add an offtopic thread
please? [ Reply to This | Parent | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, March 24 2013 @ 01:04 PM EDT |
Sure you might come and say that we can trust canonical not to abuse these data.
The problem is that we *have* to trust them. This does not have a precedent in a
major FOSS Operating System.
If we rely on the ability to manually remove the 'feature'. The problem is that
most users will not. So when you publicize ubuntu you are going to increase the
number of people that will be subject to this.[ Reply to This | Parent | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, March 24 2013 @ 01:18 PM EDT |
It kind of proves the point I've been making. FOSS is sold as a safer
system because any of us can go in and check it out and thereby prevent a
bad guy. But since 99% of us really have either no capacity to do that, or
time to do it, or usually neither, it means we end up merely substituting our
trust of Bill Gates for our trust of RMS. Why is that inherently any better?[ Reply to This | Parent | # ]
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- 99% of us really have either no capacity to do that - Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, March 24 2013 @ 01:32 PM EDT
- Stallman Calls Ubuntu Spyware; Asks FLISOL Not to Recommend It at Events in South America ~pj - Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, March 24 2013 @ 01:44 PM EDT
- Is this whole Unity thing starting to make sense now? n/t - Authored by: albert on Sunday, March 24 2013 @ 03:47 PM EDT
- Stallman Calls Ubuntu Spyware; Asks FLISOL Not to Recommend It at Events in South America ~pj - Authored by: PJ on Sunday, March 24 2013 @ 10:48 PM EDT
- Stallman Calls Ubuntu Spyware; Asks FLISOL Not to Recommend It at Events in South America ~pj - Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, March 25 2013 @ 05:50 AM EDT
- Stallman Calls Ubuntu Spyware; Asks FLISOL Not to Recommend It at Events in South America ~pj - Authored by: PJ on Monday, March 25 2013 @ 08:08 AM EDT
- Stallman Calls Ubuntu Spyware; Asks FLISOL Not to Recommend It at Events in South America ~pj - Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, March 25 2013 @ 08:36 AM EDT
- wrong - Authored by: designerfx on Monday, March 25 2013 @ 11:21 AM EDT
- wrong - Authored by: Wol on Monday, March 25 2013 @ 11:57 AM EDT
- wrong - Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, March 25 2013 @ 04:42 PM EDT
- wrong - Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, March 25 2013 @ 05:52 PM EDT
- wrong - Authored by: Steve Martin on Monday, March 25 2013 @ 08:22 PM EDT
- wrong - Authored by: Wol on Monday, March 25 2013 @ 09:14 PM EDT
- wrong - Authored by: cjk fossman on Tuesday, March 26 2013 @ 08:24 AM EDT
- wrong - Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, March 26 2013 @ 09:00 AM EDT
- wrong - Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, March 26 2013 @ 11:41 AM EDT
- wrong - Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, March 26 2013 @ 11:43 AM EDT
- wrong - Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, March 26 2013 @ 11:14 PM EDT
- wrong - Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, March 27 2013 @ 03:53 PM EDT
- Stallman Calls Ubuntu Spyware; Asks FLISOL Not to Recommend It at Events in South America ~pj - Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, March 25 2013 @ 02:21 PM EDT
- Stallman Calls Ubuntu Spyware; Asks FLISOL Not to Recommend It at Events in South America ~pj - Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, March 29 2013 @ 12:18 PM EDT
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, March 24 2013 @ 02:40 PM EDT |
Say what you will about Stallman. He is very extreme in his viewpoints, and
sometimes even I'm not sure I would go as far as he does. But he's right more
often than he's wrong. And he's right this time. What Ubuntu is doing now is
spying. Even though it's probably harmless, it's still spying.
I used to recommend Ubuntu as the first distro to try for people new to Linux or
wanting to recover from a broken Windows system. But now I'm recommending Mint
instead. If the unity shopping lens stuff was opt-in, I still wouldn't have a
problem with it, since it would involve the user to make the conscious choice to
send information to Canonical/Amazon. But here's my problem with it being
<i>opt-out</i>:
1) I can simply turn it off or remove it entirely when I install Ubuntu for
someone, but if they install it themselves later, they might not know about the
search info being sent or how to disable it.
2) If I make a point of telling them about the search info, how Canonical and
Amazon use it, and how to disable it, then I've defeated any arguments about how
libre or open source software won't spy on the user in the ways that proprietary
software might and has in the past. Before unity-shopping-lens, the assumption
was that, since the source was fully open, any attempt by someone to insert
spyware or malware would be revealed in the source code and promptly stripped
out. While that's still true if you run a different desktop environment, it no
longer holds if you run Unity. It's simpler just to start with an Ubuntu
variant (Xubuntu, Kubuntu, Netrunner, Mint, etc.) than to install Ubuntu and
then strip out Unity. Disabling unity-shopping-lens within Unity is still an
option, but the presence of that in Unity as a default, opt-out setting weakens
one of the strong arguments for using FOSS (protection from spyware/malware) in
a world where most people are content using proprietary software and don't see a
compelling reason to switch to FOSS.
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, March 24 2013 @ 07:28 PM EDT |
I'd like to point folks to this email to the Libtech Mailing
List:
Canonical's "privacy notice" for Dash
(and I'm quoting
that term because I find it dripping with irony) reserves
the right to share
keystrokes, search terms and IP addresses with a number
of third parties,
including Facebook, Twitter, Amazon and the BBC.
(h/t to Wikipedia)
I'd like to
point folks to this email to the Libtech Mailing
List:
Canonical's "privacy notice" for Dash ... reserves
the right to share keystrokes, search terms and IP addresses with a number of
third parties, including Facebook, Twitter, Amazon and the
BBC...
Keystrokes. Forget the rest for a moment:
keystrokes.
This is spyware. It's fundamentally spyware. It
has no place in Free Software. Kill it with fire.[ Reply to This | Parent | # ]
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| Authored by: DannyB on Monday, March 25 2013 @ 01:49 PM EDT |
As much as Stallman and his rantings can make me uncomfortable, please consider
something.
Stallman has a pretty good track record of being right about freedom and open
source licensing.
While I don't believe that all commercial software is evil (after all I am
employed producing commercial software), Stallman has had pretty good insight
into how abusive commercial entities can be and how far they might go.
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The price of freedom is eternal litigation.[ Reply to This | Parent | # ]
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- his "rantings" ? - Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, March 25 2013 @ 06:05 PM EDT
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