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The Corrections Thread
Authored by: ais523 on Thursday, March 21 2013 @ 02:47 AM EDT
In case PJ has made a mistake. Use the title of your post to summarize the
correction, so people can check for duplicates more easily.

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News picks
Authored by: feldegast on Thursday, March 21 2013 @ 03:00 AM EDT
Please make links clickable

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Off topic
Authored by: feldegast on Thursday, March 21 2013 @ 03:01 AM EDT
Please make links clickable

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Comes transcribing
Authored by: feldegast on Thursday, March 21 2013 @ 03:02 AM EDT
Thank you for your support

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One Journalist who thinks he knows it all
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, March 21 2013 @ 04:08 AM EDT
Warning: contains Mildly Coarse Language.
Warning: contains Strong Themes liable to induce Hypertension and/or Apoplexy
Link deliberately not clicky, Dan Eran is derided by some as a rabid Apple fanboi

http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2013/03/09/googles-android-powered-by-remarkable-n ew-flexibly-adaptive-logic/

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Journalists Allowed to Argue at March 26 Hearing On Behalf of the Public's Right to Know in Apple, Samsung Appeal ~pj
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, March 21 2013 @ 05:31 AM EDT

This BBC article (Apple 'losing inspiring reputation') is a bit too on-topic for the off-topic thread!

If somewhere like the BBC, which tends to hero worship big tech companies like Apple and MS, is reporting on Apple's self-inflicted reputational damage then I think it is fair to say that Apple's aggressive approach has spectacularly backfired.

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I think you are blaming Jobs for more than he is responsible for
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, March 21 2013 @ 05:55 AM EDT
The problem with basing a cult on smart people is that smart people act much
more differentiated than a cult can.

A smart person can make quite more extreme guidelines work well by being able to
bend his own rules whenever an exception makes more sense.

A personal cult, even when celebrated in a boardroom, does not have the same
amount of liberty in softening principles whenever there is suitable payoff.

That a group of followers is not able to apply Job's strategies with the same
success as he did is not reflecting bad on his performance.

They need to realize that the answer to "what would Jobs have done?"
would like be "try to play to living people's choices rather than to those
of dead people".

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Jobs set the juggernaut in motion
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, March 21 2013 @ 08:03 AM EDT
It was Jobs who led the country, and he took Google's Android too personally,
or at least too emotionally. Jealousy instead of laughing at the flattery -
leaders are followed by more than just their direct employees.

So now we have Apple's checkbook Maps app, which was recently improved, I
think (I've been doing GIS for 20 years, starting from us census TIGER files - I

have ideas for an insanely great map app, but instead, they just needed to
dump google and pay through the nose for mediocrity with turn by turn
instead of paying google a small fee to have it added).

And what of innovation? Apple created new categories. Some weren't as
great like Apple TV. But they would own things completely for two years -
phones, tablets ... oh, nothing new. No obscure announcements scheduled.

A short distance away, we have Google which has Glass. That is the sort of
thing Apple is.was capable of.

Then there's Microsoft. Not even in the conversation, but a large mass will
coast a while on inertia.

Microsoft died when it was more about making it a jarring experience for
Netscape or Palm users, or planting logic bombs against DRDOS, or putting
secret fast APIs for Excel that Quattro and Lotus didn't have access to, than
making things just so much better they would be chosen.

Apple is the new Microsoft. It is about locking you into their prison-farm,
excuse me, walled garden ecosystem. It is no longer about growing, but
conserving. About extracting the most cash from users and developers.

I can think of some signs of the upcoming Applecollapse. 1. They are forced
by the market to do something like ITunes or iCloud for Android just like they
do for Windows. 2. The add an "Adult" section to iTunes and start
selling what
they won't call porn. 3. They raise the price of admission - dev tools cost
more, they take 35%, maybe add pay for fast-track approval. The abomination
of desolation will be the aTim Cook deposition in one of the litigations on
YouTube - let the reader take note on his stylus Galaxy phablet.

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Journalists Allowed to Argue at March 26 Hearing On Behalf of the Public's Right to Know in Apple, Samsung Appeal ~pj
Authored by: merodach on Thursday, March 21 2013 @ 09:21 AM EDT
"So they were not the first. They were the best at making things
commercially successful,"

I remember seeing a dramatized movie about the early years between Apple and
Microsoft ending just after the launch of Windows 3 IIRC. At the end 'Jobs' says
to 'Gates' "our stuff is better", to which 'Gates' replied "so
what, our marketing is better"

Apple over the years became MUCH better at marketing. But in recent years it has
felt to me at least that the ads have begun to trend towards an almost smarmy
"our stuff is better" approach without explaining how.

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Off the deep end....
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, March 21 2013 @ 09:45 AM EDT
"Unquestionably, the Apple brand has been damaged by the litigation against
Samsung."

What evidence do you offer in support of this hypothesis? Your unending hatred
of Apple?

Proof is in the facts. Apple's earnings prove otherwise. Apple's 2012 earnings
and their 2012 Q4 earnings were strong.

So this litigation is not having an impact on consumers decisions to buy Apple
products.

Most people do not care. That's the simple fact.

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That's a pretty impressive lineup on the journalists side.
Authored by: albert on Thursday, March 21 2013 @ 12:09 PM EDT
"Dow Jones & Company, Inc., The First Amendment Coalition, The
Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press, American Society of News Editors,
Bloomberg L.P., Gannett Co., Inc., The New York Times Company, The Washington
Post and Society of Professional Journalists.."

Can't wait to hear their presentation...

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Defendant has to strip naked?
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, March 21 2013 @ 03:43 PM EDT
Why does Samsung have to "suffer" the same degree of public disclosure
as Apple anyway?
Samsung did not bring this lawsuit, so it seems unfair that as the defendant
they run the same risk of having to disclose sensitive business information.

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Re: Heros
Authored by: albert on Friday, March 22 2013 @ 08:09 PM EDT
'Hero' is ancient ad-speak. It refers to any product, for example, potato chips.
When shooting the ad, the production team selects the best examples ('heroes').
Perfect shape, color, texture, etc. Sometimes, even heroes need a little
'makeup', maybe some airbrushing, a simulated screen... you get the idea. TV
commercials pioneered 'macro' photography, where the image is larger than life
size, often many times larger. This magnifies otherwise unnoticeable defects.

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Update: Samsung has now also filed a letter clarifying what it seeks to seal:
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, March 22 2013 @ 11:44 PM EDT
Update Samsung filing 103 pdf link is broken.

- C.

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Matching the Streisand effect
Authored by: IMANAL_TOO on Saturday, March 23 2013 @ 08:06 AM EDT
"And it may be about to get worse. Here's what is
threatening to happen next: The parties were in agreement
that the district court was unsealing too many company
secrets and both are appealing to the Federal Circuit to
keep things sealed. They agreed that they don't want to
stand naked before the world, with all their trade secrets
exposed. Unfortunately for them, they happened to draw two
judges who believe litigants have to endure more of a
spotlight than they might enjoy if they choose to litigate,
because the public has rights too. Who knew that would
happen? Clearly not Apple, a company that is known for its
secretiveness. "

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect

"The Streisand effect is the phenomenon whereby an attempt
to hide or remove a piece of information has the unintended
consequence of publicizing the information more widely,
usually facilitated by the Internet. The term is a modern
expression of the older phenomenon that banning or censoring
something often makes that item or information more
desirable, and leads to its being actively sought out to a
greater extent than it would have otherwise been.
It is named after American entertainer Barbra Streisand,
whose attempt in 2003 to suppress photographs of her
residence inadvertently generated further publicity. Similar
attempts have been made, for example, in cease-and-desist
letters, to suppress numbers, files and websites. Instead of
being suppressed, the information receives extensive
publicity and media extensions such as videos and spoof
songs, often being widely mirrored across the Internet or
distributed on file-sharing networks."


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