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| Authored by: lnuss on Sunday, March 10 2013 @ 09:21 PM EDT |
"can software itself by patentable subject matter?" in the first
suggestion should be:
can software itself be patentable subject matter?
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| Authored by: bugstomper on Sunday, March 10 2013 @ 09:57 PM EDT |
1) Assuming that you do have use of fonts in the document sent to the PTO, there
should be actual italics instead of asterisks in the phrase:
*expressions* of ideas differ from *applications*
2) I don't have the original of the cited text, but does this use an ellipsis in
the original?
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| Authored by: bugstomper on Sunday, March 10 2013 @ 10:02 PM EDT |
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, March 10 2013 @ 10:38 PM EDT |
But in most pure software patents the meaning is merely referred to.
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, March 10 2013 @ 10:49 PM EDT |
Under "3. The printed matter doctrine should be applicable to
computations."
Paragraph 3
The result should be 38 apples. -->Doe<-- you see a
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, March 10 2013 @ 10:53 PM EDT |
Even if a patent lawyer only needed to look at a patent for 10 minutes, on
average, to determine whether any part of a particular firm's software infringed
it, it would require roughly 2 million patent attorneys, working full-time, to
compare every firm's products with every patent issued in a given year.
Remove the first 'it'. Or change to 'infringed existing patents'.[ Reply to This | Parent | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, March 10 2013 @ 10:58 PM EDT |
This may cause some conversation, but a/an use depends on the sound. We say 'an
hour' to avoid two adjacent vowel sounds, but we use 'a horse' when the sound of
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, March 10 2013 @ 11:02 PM EDT |
Textbooks describe in detail what mathematical algorithms are, but no one seems
to understand or to reference these sources.
change to:
, but patent submissions do not seem to understand or reference these sources.
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, March 10 2013 @ 11:38 PM EDT |
Missed Title ...
Tolkien wrote "The Hobbit" and he wrote a trilogy of books
known as "The Lord of the Rings" but there is no book known as
"The Lord of the Ring".
Maybe be "Alice in Wonderland" would be a better book example ... not
to mention its wonderful math tie-ins.
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| Authored by: Arthur Marsh on Sunday, March 10 2013 @ 11:54 PM EDT |
Should we put:
"lambda calculus (λ-calculus)" as the first mention of the
term, and include a footnote to a reference on the subject?
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| Authored by: IANALitj on Monday, March 11 2013 @ 12:00 AM EDT |
A simple search for the phrase "well known" will find it, but here is
the formal location:
Supplement to the Response to the USPTO on the Second Topic
A. Factual Background
3. Mathematicians have defined their requirements for a procedure to be accepted
as a mathematical algorithm.
Heading: Deterministic execution
Paragraph 1, first line:
"It is well know that a randomized algorithm can be transformed . . ."
know should be known
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, March 11 2013 @ 03:20 AM EDT |
Missing a "be"?
2. The vast majority of algorithms can carried out in practice fo[ Reply to This | Parent | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, March 11 2013 @ 06:05 AM EDT |
in Suggested topic 2:
Rather it seems to force developer, or the
companies that hire them, to choose between developing innovative products with
the certainty that if it is successful, there will be infringement lawsuits, or
stop developing. [ Reply to This | Parent | # ]
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| Authored by: tiger99 on Monday, March 11 2013 @ 06:34 AM EDT |
| Double "is a" in the supplement [ Reply to This | Parent | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, March 11 2013 @ 06:52 AM EDT |
mush work -> much work
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| Authored by: indyandy on Monday, March 11 2013 @ 07:32 AM EDT |
unlimited time to carryout the computation
carryout
adj.
Intended to be consumed away from the place of sale; takeout: a shop offering
carryout sandwiches.
n.
An item of food or a meal that is to be consumed away from the place of sale.
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| Authored by: indyandy on Monday, March 11 2013 @ 07:55 AM EDT |
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| Authored by: indyandy on Monday, March 11 2013 @ 08:06 AM EDT |
Or:
They can be turned into algorithms (?)[ Reply to This | Parent | # ]
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| Authored by: indyandy on Monday, March 11 2013 @ 08:09 AM EDT |
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| Authored by: Ding-Batty on Monday, March 11 2013 @ 08:20 AM EDT |
A computer may be connected to a printed. --> A computer may be connected to
a printer.
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| Authored by: indyandy on Monday, March 11 2013 @ 08:31 AM EDT |
Universal algorithms makes possible to build general purpose computers
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Universal algorithms make it possible to build general purpose computers
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| Authored by: indyandy on Monday, March 11 2013 @ 08:35 AM EDT |
When a general purpose computer built in this manner every program ends up being
executed by the universal algorithm.
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When a general purpose computer is built in this manner every program ends up
being executed by the universal algorithm.
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| Authored by: indyandy on Monday, March 11 2013 @ 08:46 AM EDT |
Each error either disregard or deny the role of symbols and their meaning in
computer programming.
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Each error either disregards or denies the role of symbols and their meaning in
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| Authored by: feldegast on Monday, March 11 2013 @ 08:48 AM EDT |
"Mathematics is a written language based on logic and
algorithms are procedures for manipulating symbols in this
language."
i suggest this as when reading the sentence didn't flow
correctly in my opinion
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IANAL
My posts are ©2004-2013 and released under the Creative Commons License
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| Authored by: feldegast on Monday, March 11 2013 @ 08:54 AM EDT |
Nonnumerical functions also exists.
in the suplement
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My posts are ©2004-2013 and released under the Creative Commons License
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| Authored by: indyandy on Monday, March 11 2013 @ 09:19 AM EDT |
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| Authored by: indyandy on Monday, March 11 2013 @ 09:23 AM EDT |
There is no difference in a computer structure between doing a calculation for
the same of knowing the numerical answer and doing a calculation because the
numbers mean something in the real world.
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There is no difference in a computer structure between doing a calculation for
the sake of knowing the numerical answer and doing a calculation because the
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| Authored by: indyandy on Monday, March 11 2013 @ 09:25 AM EDT |
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| Authored by: indyandy on Monday, March 11 2013 @ 09:40 AM EDT |
When computing the computer write symbols that have the same semantical
relationships.
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When computing the computer writes symbols that have the same semantical
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| Authored by: indyandy on Monday, March 11 2013 @ 09:49 AM EDT |
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| Authored by: ukjaybrat on Monday, March 11 2013 @ 10:10 AM EDT |
For example the contents of a reference manual such as
a dictionary
is both abstract and useful.
contents is -> contents
are
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| Authored by: indyandy on Monday, March 11 2013 @ 10:19 AM EDT |
Our hypothetical circuit performs a series of multiplications. It takes as input
a series of number, like 2, 5, 7, 12, 43, and multiply them by the same
predefined number. The circuit is configured by recording this predefined number
in a hardware register.37 If the number in the register is 2 then the circuit
will double the sample series above to produce the result 4, 10, 14, 24, 86.
I think it should read like this:
Our hypothetical circuit performs a series of multiplications. It takes as input
a series of numbers, like 2, 5, 7, 12, 43, and multiplies them by some
predefined number. The circuit is configured by recording this predefined number
in a hardware register.37 If the number in the register is 2 then the circuit
will double the sample series above to produce the result 4, 10, 14, 24, 86.
Note there is a hyperlink to footnote 37 in there so don't just copy paste the
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| Authored by: swmcd on Monday, March 11 2013 @ 10:29 AM EDT |
| Software patents often contain claims directed to the physical representations
as long as they convey the recited meaning.
And I'm still
not sure I quite understand the meaning of the as long as clause.
Perhaps it could be reworded or omitted? [ Reply to This | Parent | # ]
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| Authored by: swmcd on Monday, March 11 2013 @ 10:32 AM EDT |
| In semiotics terms the computer is a sign-vehicle [ Reply to This | Parent | # ]
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| Authored by: swmcd on Monday, March 11 2013 @ 10:36 AM EDT |
| In-between the abstract mathematical ideas and something
something are interpretants. [ Reply to This | Parent | # ]
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| Authored by: indyandy on Monday, March 11 2013 @ 10:36 AM EDT |
Will the target audience realize that this instance of "argument" has
a very different meaning to the overwhelming majority of uses of
"argument" elsewhere in the text?
"As a general rule every algorithm that accepts multiple arguments can be
used to produce more functions by partially specifying one of its argument in
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| Authored by: indyandy on Monday, March 11 2013 @ 10:50 AM EDT |
An algorithm is abstract because it is a procedure defined in terms that ignores
the limitations of time and space of its practical implementation. It is
designed to produce the correct answer for all size of inputs whether or not the
resources to handle this input are available
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An algorithm is abstract because it is a procedure defined in terms that ignore
the limitations of time and space of its practical implementation. It is
designed to produce the correct answer for all sizes of inputs whether or not
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| Authored by: indyandy on Monday, March 11 2013 @ 10:54 AM EDT |
We note that a symbols is an abstract entity is different from a mark of ink on
paper or an electric charge in a capacitor.
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We note that a symbol is an abstract entity and is different from a mark of ink
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| Authored by: indyandy on Monday, March 11 2013 @ 10:58 AM EDT |
Algorithms are analogous to novels, legal briefs and other forms of text. They
have to be represented physically and yet they are abstract. Software patents
often contain claims directed to the physical representations as long they
convey the recited meaning. These claims are charades.
I think this should read:
Algorithms are analogous to novels, legal briefs and other forms of text. They
have to be represented physically and yet they are abstract. Software patents
often contain claims directed to the physical representations as if they convey
the recited meaning. These claims are charades. [ Reply to This | Parent | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, March 11 2013 @ 11:04 AM EDT |
"Doe" -> "Do"
Supplement, section B, sub-section 3, paragraph 3, sentence 7: "Doe"
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| Authored by: indyandy on Monday, March 11 2013 @ 11:26 AM EDT |
Each of these firm may potentially infringing on some software patent
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| Authored by: indyandy on Monday, March 11 2013 @ 11:32 AM EDT |
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| Authored by: indyandy on Monday, March 11 2013 @ 11:41 AM EDT |
But they can verify they won't infringe on the rights of outside parties.
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| Authored by: indyandy on Monday, March 11 2013 @ 11:46 AM EDT |
This problem may be more acute for these groups than it is for proprietary
vendors because these development model don't permit to pinpoint any specific
date where the code is released.
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This problem may be more acute for these groups than it is for proprietary
vendors because these development models don't permit to pinpoint any specific
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| Authored by: Liquor A. on Monday, March 11 2013 @ 12:12 PM EDT |
"But they can verify they won't infringe on the rights of others"
should be "But they can't verify they won't infringe on the rights of
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| Authored by: swmcd on Monday, March 11 2013 @ 12:13 PM EDT |
| the number of ideas in a book is just too great [ Reply to This | Parent | # ]
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| Authored by: indyandy on Monday, March 11 2013 @ 12:14 PM EDT |
The insistence that computer work solely through their physical properties
negates the role of semantics in computer programming.
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The insistence that computers work solely through their physical properties
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| Authored by: nsomos on Monday, March 11 2013 @ 12:21 PM EDT |
In the suggested topic 2 discussion you write that
"A study has concluded the task is mathematically impossible to
accomplish."
Nowhere does that study say it is mathematically impossible.
The study does show that it is practically impossible.
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| Authored by: indyandy on Monday, March 11 2013 @ 12:28 PM EDT |
I checked the corrections thread before submitting my corrections but I didn't
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| Authored by: swmcd on Monday, March 11 2013 @ 12:39 PM EDT |
| But they can't verify they won't infringe [ Reply to This | Parent | # ]
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| Authored by: swmcd on Monday, March 11 2013 @ 01:09 PM EDT |
| This suggests that the test for claims directed to
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| Authored by: swmcd on Monday, March 11 2013 @ 01:11 PM EDT |
I don't see a reference to footnote 1 in the text of the
supplement.
1 The topics we propose in our response correspond to
these sections as follows:
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, March 11 2013 @ 02:00 PM EDT |
2nd para under suggested topic # 2 reads "Rather it seems to
force developer, or the companies that hire them..."
I think the word "developer" should be plural -
"developers"
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, March 11 2013 @ 05:19 PM EDT |
In the supplement:
"The naive understanding of programing departs from the technically correct
view in three ways."
This sentence is followed by four points, rather than three. However, there are
three bold subheadings below, which correspond to the first three of the four
points, but no bold subheading that corresponds to the fourth point.
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, March 11 2013 @ 05:43 PM EDT |
"The naive understanding of programing departs from the technically correct
view in three ways."
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