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If this had come from anyone but webster...
Authored by: Wol on Thursday, March 07 2013 @ 05:54 PM EST
Mind you, one big problem with our system is if you're rich enough (and that
isn't very rich!) not to fall into the legal aid net.

If you're destitute, legal aid pays. If you're rich, you can afford it. If
you're upper-working/lower-middle class, then you're stuffed - not rich enough
to afford a lawyer, too rich to get assistance.

Cheers,
Wol

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Problems with the UK system
Authored by: jbb on Friday, March 08 2013 @ 01:31 AM EST
We here in America have worked hard to have not only the highest incarceration rate of any country on Earth, but also the largest number of prisoners in absolute terms (we almost have as many prisoners as China and Russia combined). Our incarceration rate is almost five times greater than yours. We couldn't possible maintain these record breaking rates if we gave everyone a "speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury." Plea bargains are essential to keep our system running efficiently.

Our entire prison industrial complex is based on stripping everyone but the rich of their Constitutional rights. If we gave everyone the kind of treatment they get in the UK then it would eat up all the profit. Thirty years ago, people wanted to be in the US so they could fight extradition to countries with unfair legal systems filled with corruption. Nowadays people are fighting tooth and nail to avoid extradition to the United States. This is a clear demonstration of how much our efficiency has improved over the past few decades.

And as Wol mentioned, our system has the added feature that only poor (and now middle-class) people get sent up the river. The poor and middle-class act as whipping boys for the rich. They suffer for our sins so we don't have to. I don't think you should complain about the massive miscarriages of justice in the US legal system until after you have caught up to our incarceration rates. You should not judge a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes.

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