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Authored by: TerryC on Thursday, March 07 2013 @ 02:07 PM EST
Hear Hear!

Sitting over here in the UK, I find it unbelievable that a so-called civilized country can operate such a system. Sure, we have plea bargaining over here, but it is generally limited to crimes where the perpetrator is providing evidence to convict another criminal, or where the prosecution would have some difficulty proving their case. In the latter situation, the perpetrator would plead guilty to a lesser charge in return for a lighter sentence. There are considerable safeguards built into the system to protect the accused, so that they are not unduly pressured into giving up their right to a trial.

What does not happen here is:

  • The only choice is between decades and months.
  • The accused is left with little choice if he cannot afford a lawyer (we have legal aid).
  • The accused is left with nowhere to turn.

    I really can't see how ordinary folks in the US accept this situation. Many must have friends or relatives who have fallen foul of this iniquitous system.

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    Terry

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  • How to: get this way
    Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, March 07 2013 @ 03:28 PM EST

    Simple: the average person doesn't care enough to realize when they should be speaking up as their rights are eroded.

    It's not till they themselves are on the hotseat that they might - if they have the background information because they were sorta paying attention - realize what they should have done to avoid getting there in the first place. Most end up there lost in a daze as to what's going on with absolutely no idea how they became the slave because they choose to be ignorant of the situation. Ignorant in the sense of not having the knowledge/awareness of what was happening - too busy with other things to pay attention to something that doesn't immediately impact them.

    A few decades ago it was a Government trying to decide they had total power over people: Germany under Hitler.

    Nowadays, it's lead by Corporations and Lawyers.

    Obviously not all Corporations and not all Lawyers... but without the Lawyers helping the Corporations, the Corporations wouldn't be getting so far so fast.

    For just two examples:

      The Lawyers that drafted the EULA that was attached to music cds from BMG that said "if you move out of the area where you bought the cd, you must destroy the cd".
      The Patent Lawyers willing to play word obfuscation games to get E=MC2 patented when they know it's not patentable subject matter.
    I sure wish there were more Lawyers with the ethics of Abraham Lincoln:
    You must remember that some things legally right are not morally right.
    Given the context of discussion, it'd be nice if a lot more Prosecutors were like that too.

    Caveat: I'm pulling the specific clause I remember from the eula on the cd's of the Sony Rootkit fiasco from memory. As the EULA appears to no longer be available I can not explicitly confirm the exact clause that was in the EULA wherein I got the specific impression outlined.

    RAS

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