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It appears you have provided evidence to prove my "in spite of" conclusion! | 115 comments | Create New Account
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It appears you have provided evidence to prove my "in spite of" conclusion!
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, March 06 2013 @ 11:50 AM EST

Conclusion: The two examples you gave are clear indications the market has gotten to where it is in spite of MS' attempts.


On your first point:

    Prior to MS entering the market there were others already working on bringing the computer to the desktop. Commodore and Atari to name two of the approx. dozen companies of the time frame (late 60's, early 70's).
So ... MS breaking IBM's notion? I don't think so. That idea was already out in the market. If you doubt others were already on the scene, just a small representation:
    MS - founded Apr 4, 1975.
    Commodore - founded 1954, producing programmable calculators in the early 70's, moving into personal computers with the purchase of second-source chip suppliers in 1976.
Sorry - MS was only joining a process that had already begun. And one only need look at how many of those Corporation Corpses are direct victims of MS' anti-competitive tactics to realize what really happened.


Second point: Yes, Netscape eventually survived and was reborn in the form of Mozzila. There is no denying that:

    A: IE came on the scene and was immediately packaged with the distribution of the OS
    B: Netscape started loosing ground
    C: IE was more tightly integrated as part of the OS making it more difficult to remove
    D: Netscape lost even more ground
There is evidence to show:
    Netscape 1 had functionality that was not fully in IE till IE 3.0
    Between versions 3.0 and 7.0 IE was virtually frozen in feature enhancements
And finally:
    By open sourcing Netscapes code base so that it was reborn as Mozilla and FLOSS development started modifying it - it eventually acquired sufficient advances beyond IE such that MS was finally forced to start implementing new functionality in IE.
    Mozilla alone can claim to have been part of what finally broke MS' hold on the browser, but they can not claim that alone. The US Anti-trust lawsuit that forbid MS from continuing such activities as charging OEM's for a copy of MS when a copy was not sold and the EU Anti-trust activity forcing MS to provide a selection for consumers to choose from also played large roles in breaking that dominance.
Here's an example of that additional functionality:
    Drag-n-drop
Set up a text document with a url. Any validly, fully formed, url. Such as http://www.google.ca or http://groklawstatic.ibiblio.org - or even just use those two from this comment.

The challenge:

    In the browser you are testing, drag the mouse over the url highlighting it. Then drag-n-drop it into a new tab.
In IE 8, 64 bit on Windows 7 Professional: Sorry, no drag-n-drop functionality.

In Firefox 18.0 on Windows 7 Professional: Yup - you can highlight a plain text, properly formed url and drag-n-drop it into a new tab to open it.

I'm sorry: but drag-n-drop is such an old concept there's no excuse at all that IE can't do it properly. And that doesn't go anwhere near the more advanced functionality that was first introduced into Mozilla and then later added to IE such as .... tabbbed browsing.

RAS

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Sorry - I disagree on your recollection of events
Authored by: cjk fossman on Wednesday, March 06 2013 @ 02:34 PM EST
> MS ... broke IBM's notion that the PC was only worth using
as a smart terminal.

Where did you get that idea? IBM launched the original PC in
1981. 3270 emulation wasn't available until 1983.

A PC made a lousy 3270, by the way. What you wanted was a
3279. Best keyboard ever.

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