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Avoiding Genetically Modified Products | 168 comments | Create New Account
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Avoiding Genetically Modified Products
Authored by: eric76 on Wednesday, February 20 2013 @ 05:23 PM EST

Our modern crops produce 20 to 50 times as much food as their wild ancestors because we have been genetically modifying them through crossbreeding and selection for 15,000 years.

Probably not intentionally. Ancient crops were rarely, if ever, grown as pure, one-field crops. Mixtures of different crops are believed to have been extremely common

The earliest such crossbreeding that I am familiar with involved wheat. The original wheats were diploid (Einkorn) and tetraploid (Emmer). It is thought that the first hexaploid wheats came about by accident when Emmer was being grown near a certain goatgrass.

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Please don't confuse the issue.
Authored by: artp on Wednesday, February 20 2013 @ 06:03 PM EST

The term "GM" was not used until gene splicing techniques started being used. Until then, crop improvement was done by animal husbandry, plant breeding and the like. No "engineering" was required. Gregor Mendel was not a genetic engineer.

I also disagree with a statement that you made:

Genetic engineering can not only produce results much faster than crossing and selection, it can do things that are otherwise impossible, like getting corn to produce a bacterial toxin that kills corn borers. We must decide whether that is less hazardous than spraying the field with poison. If we do neither, we lose up to 40% of the crop to pests.

This is a prime example of terrible, bad, no-good awful design practices. You have your blinders on.

bt corn expresses the toxin in every part of the plant, including those parts which are naturally airborne. We have pesticides floating everywhere during most of the growing season. Real bt (bacillus thuringensis) expresses that toxin ONLY when it invades a pest. It is localized, and is present only where it is needed. bt does not spread toxin everywhere, regardless of whether it is needed or not.

If the government was consistent, the EPA would shut this down quicker than you could say "Jack Sprat".

Also, spraying the field with poison in the absence of GM bt corn is not the only option. You could also spread bacillus thuringensis on the field. Then, when corn rootworms appeared, the bt would infect them and kill them. No toxin anywhere except in the pest. Otherwise, nothing would happen. No toxin AT ALL would be present.

Your statements are full of preconceived notions that are not consistent.

Many people pretend that farming was Stone Age level until the multinational corporate agribusiness firms came on the scene and saved us all from our own ignorance. That doesn't make it so.

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"The Nature"
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, February 21 2013 @ 01:32 PM EST
> produces about enough food to support one adult human per square mile;

Citation please.

China currently exports surplus food after supporting its population
at a rate of 138 persons per square kilometre, including deserts,
mountains and other non-arable areas. But of course that is not
"The Nature", it is intensive agriculture, without Monsanto.
The Chinese find it more economical to employ people and
mechanical hoes to weed the crops. They also use other methods
repugnant to western agribusiness, like applying human waste
instead of petro-chemical fertilizers.

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  • "The Nature" - Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, February 24 2013 @ 06:05 PM EST
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