Perhaps a study on parents and the various forms of discpline applied to
children and how those children behave as they grow in Society would help
clarify the situation. Studying not just those incidents where parents apply
disciplinary action, but also those situations where parents apply no
disciplinary action.
Yes - there are those kids who will still swear even
as their mouth is washed out with soap. But there's also many others who will
dislike the taste of soap sufficiently they will cut back swearing if not
stopping it completely.
So is it true that no discipline works? At all?
Seriously? As you said:
punishment doesn't work
Ever?
Having faced disciplinary actions both as a child and as an adult - I find such
a statement incredibly suspect. Can you really go to your work environment,
pull out a gun, shoot the computer monitors and honestly truly not expect to be
fired? Being fired: a form of disciplinary action, punishment!
If you
invited all your friends over to your place for a party, pulled out a gun and
started shooting people. Do you really expect your friends to ever trust you
again? Loss of trust = form of punishment! It's a disciplinary action even if
it wasn't intended in that sense and it was strictly an act of self
preservation.
Look back on your own life as an example. At things you
did where your parents disciplined you. Were you really a totally unruly child
where absolutely no discplinary action worked? Ever? Wasn't there a single
incident where you were disciplined and decided not to do that particular thing
again because you didn't want to face the disciplinary action?
In the
face of your own living examples where you were discplined by your own parents,
perhaps by grandparents or other relatives - you still believe the reports that
say no punishment ever works?
Yes - crimes still occur in prison. As I
said, I hope for the very few, no form of punishment is a deterrent. Perhaps
the studies that you have read are proof that there is a much larger segment of
Society which is incorrigible then I'd hope there is.
incorrigible: Not able
to be corrected, improved, or reformed
That doesn't alter the
reality:
If the person truly is incorrigible, then to release them into
Society will only ensure guaranteed further harm comes to Society!
When
given the two evils:
Release a serial killer into society to kill many, many
more
vs
Keep that serial killer locked away for the rest of his
life
I view the lesser evil is to keep the killer locked away.
Now
you could claim punishment is not equal to discipline. And it's not, not
complete. You can have punishment without discipline: torturing someone just
because you feel like it for example. But all disciplinary action contains a
form of punishment:
The infliction or imposition of a penalty
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