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Maxim 1 of successful piracy: Pillage, _then_ burn. | 223 comments | Create New Account
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SCO Asks the Bankruptcy Court to Let It Destroy Its Business Records ~ pj
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, February 03 2013 @ 04:04 PM EST
Let me be the first to ask...

What are their lawyers on and where can I get some?

(Yes, this is cliched, but if it's not applicable here, then
where?)

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Cost for the motion against the storage cost?
Authored by: whoever57 on Sunday, February 03 2013 @ 04:25 PM EST
How many years of storage would be paid by the cost of preparing this motion?

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SCO Asks the Bankruptcy Court to Let It Destroy Its Business Records ~ pj
Authored by: rsi on Sunday, February 03 2013 @ 04:40 PM EST
What would it take to file a motion on behalf of Groklaw in the court? IANAL,
but I would encourage PJ and Groklaw's attorney to act immediately on this
motion. If you need financial support to pay for the legal fees, I'm sure it
will come to you easily!

I cannot write here what came out of my mouth when I read this news! The
arrogance of this so-called, but virtually dead, "company" continues
to shock me!!!

PJ: GO FOR IT!!!

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Gene Quinn - A Brilliant Parody of DRM
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, February 03 2013 @ 05:03 PM EST
This article in Forbes about Gene Quinn is hilarious. He tried to make an anti-copy/paste thing, apparently unaware that they're ridiculous, they don't work, and they do little more than annoy the non-tech savvy. Of course, he's not smart enough to bypass it or something, so it must look great to him. Now he's mumbling about how maybe a "plugin" would work better. Ahahahahahahahaha.

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SCO Asks the Bankruptcy Court to Let It Destroy Its Business Records ~ Of course.
Authored by: SilverWave on Sunday, February 03 2013 @ 05:42 PM EST
ah...


...not as surprise.

---
RMS: The 4 Freedoms
0 run the program for any purpose
1 study the source code and change it
2 make copies and distribute them
3 publish modified versions

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Maxim 1 of successful piracy: Pillage, _then_ burn.
Authored by: Anonomous on Sunday, February 03 2013 @ 06:10 PM EST
SCOG is guano crazy enough to request and receive permission to burn evidence,
then, after burning the evidence, accuse IBM of conspiracy to despoil evidence
because they did not object.

Seriously, though, IBM has standing to object to this, and will be remiss if
they do not. They probably will never need any of the evidence contained in the
stored documentation, but they should not appear via their silence to concur
with its destruction.

-Wang-Lo.

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Corrections Thread
Authored by: bugstomper on Sunday, February 03 2013 @ 06:17 PM EST
Please summarize in the Title box error->correction or s/error/correction/ to
make it easy to scan see what needs to be corrected and to avoid duplication of
effort.

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Off Topic threads
Authored by: bugstomper on Sunday, February 03 2013 @ 06:32 PM EST
Please stay off topic in these threads. Use HTML Formatted mode to make your
links nice and clickable.

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News Picks Threads
Authored by: bugstomper on Sunday, February 03 2013 @ 06:35 PM EST
Please type the title of the News Picks article in the Title box of your
comment, and include the link to the article in HTML Formatted mode for the
convenience of the readers after the article has scrolled off the News Picks
sidebar.

Hint: Use Preview to check that your links are ok. Avoid a Geeklog
"feature" that posts long links broken by inserting line breaks in the
URL at punctuation points such as
<a href="http://www.example.com/xyzblahblah_
blahblah/
abcblahblah/defblahblah?
abcblahblah
.html">text</a>

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Comes transcripts here
Authored by: bugstomper on Sunday, February 03 2013 @ 06:36 PM EST
Please post your transcriptions of Comes exhibits here with full HTML markup but posted in Plain Old Text mode so PJ can copy and paste it

See the Comes Tracking Page to find and claim PDF files that still need to be transcribed.

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"at least put them on eBay and make some money for the estate"
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, February 03 2013 @ 06:37 PM EST
Legally speaking, this is a valid idea.

Chapter 7 bankruptcy is supposed to be about selling
*everything* of any value that the debtor has and passing
the money to the creditors.

Is there any way for us to propose that to the court?

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SCO Asks the Bankruptcy Court to Let It Destroy Its Business Records ~ pj
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, February 03 2013 @ 06:37 PM EST
I am willing to donate $100 to help Groklaw obtain, preserve and analyse these
business records, assuming they actually exist. Can you make a special donation
button to that end?

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SCO Asks the Bankruptcy Court to Let It Destroy Its Business Records ~ pj
Authored by: sk43 on Sunday, February 03 2013 @ 07:00 PM EST
Technically, IBM should already have obtained all the discovery it needs, so SCO could argue that IBM has no further need for the business records. Red Hat, on the other hand, might be very interested, since it filed claims against SCO that are different from IBM (and, of course, it hasn't begun discovery).

But let us be realistic. What is it that Dan Lyons said? Oh yes, what SCO wants, SCO gets.

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Re: Storage locker costs
Authored by: rps on Sunday, February 03 2013 @ 09:24 PM EST
I mean seriously .. how much does it cost to keep three storage lockers current?
I'm sure there are many of us here at Groklaw (myself included) that would be
willing to help purchase those records by paying that cost. Let the record show
that we made a public offer.

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  • Re: Storage locker costs - Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, February 04 2013 @ 07:59 AM EST
    • Bodies? - Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, February 05 2013 @ 09:39 PM EST
Spoliation?
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, February 03 2013 @ 11:09 PM EST
So, as I understand it, willful destruction of documents
relevant to a court case is spoliation of evidence, because
the party has an inherent duty to preserve evidence that's
reasonably relevant to expected court proceedings. The
opposing party can be entitled to sanctions, including
having the "missing" evidence be assumed to be as negative
as possible to the destroying party.

Assuming that's correct, what would the impact be if tSCOg
had some records that are or reasonably might be relevant to
their proposed SCO v IBM litigation in there?

Would this be held to be spoliation of evidence, because
they're willfully petitioning a court to let them destroy
records they know to be relevant (and making no such
disclosure to the bankruptcy court)? Or are they immune if
the court approves this (i.e. can they claim "look, a court
specifically told us we could destroy the records, therefore
there's no reasonable claim of spoliation)?

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PJ DO IT!
Authored by: OpenSourceFTW on Monday, February 04 2013 @ 01:37 AM EST
PJ, if there is any way to do this, DO IT.

If it is a matter of money, I'll kick in $10.

How do we go about this?

If you want a good reason for it, say we are doing it to preserve valuable Linux
history (which is the truth).

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SCO Asks the Bankruptcy Court to Let It Destroy Its Business Records ~ pj
Authored by: BobDowling on Monday, February 04 2013 @ 09:37 AM EST

Page 4, paragraph 13:

The Chapter 7 Trustee currently pays monthly fees to maintain three (3) rental storage units in Utah (the “Storage Units”) in which the Obsolete Property is stored.

Would it be normal to quote the dollar amount at this point? I don't know the conventions of the relevant legal system but it surprises me that there's no figure given.

My suspicious mind suggests that this is because the court would laugh if it saw how (relatively) small the amount was.

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Slimeballs
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, February 04 2013 @ 10:14 AM EST
to the very end (and beyond the end).

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SCO Asks the Bankruptcy Court to Let It Destroy Its Business Records ~ pj
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, February 04 2013 @ 11:19 AM EST
I'm sure that M$ will be most satisfied when this happens.

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Backed by SUN money!?
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, February 04 2013 @ 11:52 AM EST
When were they ever backed by SUN money?

I think I remember Oracle throwing them a bone at one point, but Sun?

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Required to accept payment?
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, February 04 2013 @ 01:08 PM EST
I presume that it would cost money to have the records disposed of. So if
another party such as Groklaw offerd to buy the records as assets, doesn't the
bankruptcy court have an obligation to take the money for the benefit of the
creditors? I can perhaps envisage and interesting auction.

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Where is Darl working now?
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, February 04 2013 @ 02:28 PM EST
"I wonder who they are thinking of hiring? Darl McBride?"

Ever since Stephen R. Covey passed away, I think Darl's position at Franklin Covey has been uncertain. In fact I'd be surprised if he was still there.

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Can the Library of Congress intervene?
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, February 06 2013 @ 10:24 AM EST
The SCO scam is of high relevance for the history of
computing, especially regarding the history of operating
systems and free software.

When historic records of such big importance would be
destroyed, can the Library of Congress intervene to get hold
of the documents?

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Lets make an ofer to the estate to buy the records
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, February 09 2013 @ 03:22 PM EST
Lets make a collection and offer to buy the buisness records.
Since the company is bancrupt it, the records are of no value.

The estate must collect as much money as possible to pay it
creditors.

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