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Jury systems...
Authored by: PJ on Thursday, January 31 2013 @ 02:01 AM EST
By the way, here's an interesting blog post on Simple Justice, which is by a criminal defense lawyer, meaning he deals with juries all the time, about a small town where a policeman shot and killed a woman who was allegedly parked where she wasn't supposed to be. There was an element of intimidation in the air in that town afterward. When townsfolk saw not enough coverage, they started to post comments on the newspaper's online page. The newspaper deleted all the comments in support of the woman, a housewife, unarmed, a churchgoer, 54 years old, without so much as a traffic ticket on her record.

Then the paper, so the story goes, set it up where you had to log into Facebook to comment, so you had to reveal your real identity instead of being able to be anonymous and all the comments stopped. People were afraid. Can you blame them? More proof that Zuckerberg is too young and inexperienced in life to realize how truly dangerous banning anonymity can be.

One brave man in town, however, set up a page on Facebook and other venues and started to talk about what was going on, asking the town to really think about what happened, and he refused to stop.

The result was that the local prosecutor brought criminal charges, and the ex-policeman was found guilty.

Never, ever underestimate a jury's willingness to do what is right. They had to have some fear, after all, but they found him guilty anyway. They don't always do the right thing, but they usually try. Judges can get so wrapped up in the arcania of the law that they can't sometimes see the big picture, but juries do. They can't see the forest, for one thing. Just the person before them and what happened and the two sides of the story.

It takes courage sometimes to be a juror and do what is right, but the whole point of the jury system is to take deciding facts away from the "professionals", the highbrow elite, representing the full power of the state, and give the task to the man on the street. There is a safety valve, in that the judge can overrule in certain fact patterns if the jury gets it totally upside down and egregiously wrong.

And I hope that if you are ever on a jury, you'll remember how truly vital juries are, how important it is to do the right thing, no matter what the pressures might be.

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All geeks?
Authored by: Wol on Thursday, January 31 2013 @ 06:32 AM EST
Dunno. Not necessarily a good idea.

But I've mentioned this idea before - a sort of "professional juror".
You'd need to fix the juror's pay issue! but simply rig the system so that, once
you've sat on a jury, your chances of being re-selected rise sharply.

IFF the pay is decent, you'll then get a fair few experienced people sitting
repeatedly on juries. It still keeps all the randomness etc, but would help stop
this sort of abuse. Fix the figures so a typical jury consists of about 2/3rd
newbies and 1/3 repeat sitters.

Cheers,
Wol

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All systems ...
Authored by: cricketjeff on Thursday, January 31 2013 @ 08:26 AM EST
All systems have flaws. This is one of the rules, what is required is a suitable
system of checks and balances.

A suitable system!

In the USA congress, the executive and the judiciary are supposed to provide
checks and balances for each other, that they do not is a consequence of another
flawed system!

Juries should be the best system, they should be unbribable, they should listen
to the judge and do as he tells them is in the law, but they should balance that
with a desire to do the right. Sadly too often jurymen do not care about the law
or the right, they may have their own agendas, or may be too easily led by one
amongst them who does.
Judges are single, readily identified people and thus corruptable, either by
bribery or because they believe need to appeal to "the public", the
same applies to prosecutors. Further these people do not fear prosecution, we
all know that some judges and prosecutors overstep the mark but when was one
last penalised for doing so?


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