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| Authored by: PJ on Monday, April 01 2013 @ 11:38 AM EDT |
How about you take your stuff about this to the sites you
enjoy, where everyone wants to talk about it, and
stop doing it on Groklaw?
It seems very important to you to destroy faith in
others, but Groklaw isn't the place.
Anyway, the real answer is you don't know and no one
knows. But blind faith isn't what the Bible encourages,
just so you know. On the other hand, the Bible isn't
a science textbook. That isn't the purpose. I mean,
duh. Miracles are precisely what science will never
explain scientifically. Maybe one could decide that
it would be wise to consider the smallness of humans
in the greater scale of the universe, and just be
happy to try to categorize and understand the beauty
of it. Because to me, the creation itself speaks,
and one thing it says is that God is a magnificent
mathematician, not to mention an artist. And I
like noticing those things. I think you can see
his qualities in his creation as well. Just go
to reddit and look at the animal pictures posted
there. Look at a sunset. Look at the stars. The
rain cycle. Anything
that reflects so much intelligence implies a mind.
But believe whatever you want.
What amazes me is how intensely people put faith in
science, given its history of being wrong over and
over and over, and the intensity with with truths have
been denied by the mainstream, as in recognizing that
it helps if doctors wash their hands and disinfect
prior to surgery, etc.
Humans are not as impressive to me as they are to
you, despite me knowing the importance of the scientific
method. But we are still just humans, and that is
where the humility becomes useful.
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| Authored by: OpenSourceFTW on Monday, April 01 2013 @ 02:11 PM EDT |
So you are telling me that you have no a priori assumptions? You just looked at
all the evidence, and boom, evolution must have happened? And you did this with
no bias, no preconceived notions, and with great knowledge of ALL the theories?
If so, I applaud you for an accomplishment that is probably unprecedented in the
history of the world, because humans have been biased from day 1 (actually, we
believe from some time shortly after day 6 :P).
Do you really believe there are mountains of evidence for evolution and none for
creationism? Tell me, why does there seem to have been ancient seas and evidence
of water just about everywhere on earth? Thousands of localized floods that just
so happen to look like a worldwide Flood? Why was a tree found sticking up
through "millions" of years of sediment? Did the tree get fossilized a
layer at a time? It certainly could not have been buried by a massive flood....
Tell me, how many "missing links" have been found? Last I heard, it
was a good bit short of the millions/billions demanded by evolution.
Tell me why it appears that seemingly all mutations involve the degradation and
loss of information. How is it that our species has lasted millions of years at
our current rate of mutation, or how our wonderfully complex DNA could have been
produced at a lower mutation rate? How did the first cells develop protection
mechanisms (like SOD) against oxygen before there was any oxygen in the
atmosphere, or how did they survive without them long enough to develop them
(oxygen, you see, is a deadly poison to cells)? How can a complex
organelle/protein/enzyme/gene/RNA/etc/etc/etc be selected for when it can only
be developed a tiny bit at a time, where the tiny bit not only does not provide
any benefit to the cell but involves a disadvantage in wasted resources that
natural selection is designed to select against?
Explain where information comes from. Random processes? Can you give me a proven
example? Please inform me of how this can be accomplished, I wish to patent a
software algorithm to do this :P (think about how much money I could make
producing information without feeding any information in). There certainly
couldn't have been an intelligent Being providing the information to start
with...
Now tell me, do you still think evolution has all the evidence and creationism
has none? I could get into a highly technical debate on these matters, but I
want to stick with what I am knowledge about and not start throwing out weak
statements.
And here I finish my arguments, having taken them to the brink of what is
allowed on this site. It is futile to debate with one who is so entrenched in
their position as to be incapable of seeing things from any other point of view.
I am not asking you to abandon your view, only to respect that of others. I
therefore leave you to go your way and me to go mine.
PJ, rest assured that I do not find my belief weakened by such arguments. I
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