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Direct vs Indirect genetic manipulation
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, January 03 2013 @ 08:43 PM EST

In my humble opinion there's a big difference between:

    directly altering the genes
vs
    splicing two plants together to produce a hybrid
Splicing the plants together let's nature take the reins and decide whether or not that combination is going to work and how it will work out.

Modifying the genetics without fully understanding the full relationships of that change can far too easily end up being deadly. Quite possibly in a way that's not noticeably deadly till the long term.

Take dogs and chocolate as an example. Chocolate is poison to dogs. But it's not an immediate poison. As a vet described to me, dogs bodies aren't built to get rid of the toxicity. Over time, as you feed a dog chocolate the toxicity builds until it reaches a level where it's fatal.

As I understand lead is similar in humans. You could handle a very small dose of it (potentially). However, it takes years for the body to dispose of it. So if you get very small doses that you could otherwise handle in a time frame that your body can not dispose of the previous amounts - it'll reach a toxicity level that your body can't handle.

While others are free too choose these new modified products, I'd rather let a few million guinea pigs over the space of 50 years check it out first before I change my diet.

Note: I don't know what Monsanto actually means when they say "genetically modified". I envision what they did in the movie Jurassic Park where they combined the dna of frogs filling in the gaps to the dna of dinosaurs.

I don't have a problem if what they're doing is - for example - taking the hardiest plants that survived and splicing the stalks together to try and come up with a hardier strain. Like breeding two fast running breads of dogs together to try and get an even faster dog.

My problem is if they're doing the Jurassic Park kind of genetic modification.

Given they acquired patents on their work:

    I don't believe they should get patents if all they did was the equivalent of breed particular breads of dogs. This is after all an act of nature which is supposed to be non-patent-eligible.
    So to acquire what I would view as an appropriate patent: they had to gene splice!

RAS

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GM produces impossible crosses
Authored by: artp on Friday, January 04 2013 @ 01:24 AM EST
Never in a million[s] years will nature ever produce a
peanut with rat genes in it.

Using natural cross-breeding will filter out certain
possibilities. GM skips the normal breeding process
entirely.

Even using natural breeding techniques, there are ethical
considerations. While Norman Borlaug is a hero in Iowa (and
the world) for promoting hybrids to address food shortages
in Asia, he also introduced some new problems.

If you take a look at old USDA Almanacs, and look at the
nutritional values of different crops, you will find that
they started dropping after hybrids were introduced. Someday
I would like to take a look at the yields of the old open-
pollinated Reid's Yellow Dent corn that my Dad used for
years, and factor in the number and weight of cattle that he
fattened using that corn and compare it to what is produced
today with modern breeds of corn and cattle, adjusted for
nutritional content on all data points.

The lowered nutritional value of food means that animals
(human and otherwise) will eat more of the food in order to
satisfy the nutritional needs, thus triggering obesity. If
our food had a higher nutritional content, we could eat less
and be healthier all the way around.

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