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I doubt it
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, January 03 2013 @ 08:33 AM EST
I'm not a mathematician, but then I don't think you are either, so I'd like you to tell me what application of 1+1=2 makes that into applied maths?
Any application. If it's used in an application, it's applied, no? :-)
I think you have a problem. You are wrong. You don't understand the difference between pure and applied maths. Compare and contrast 1+1=2 and "area of a rectangle = width x height".

You also don't seem to understand what a computer does in performing computations. Learn a little assembly coding.

I think you make more of software than what it is. Whilst software is complex, it is simple enough that a 10 year old could learn, quite quickly, how to make programs of 100+ lines. I've seen it done. Building the logic to produce a working processor (that would be able to do more than just add and subtract) and then building the processor... That's something I've not seen done by a 10 year old.

The computers (running simulations) are taking data in, processing it then outputting data. The processing of the data is the same. They are not creating anything special, just numbers which are then output to a file (as in data which is stored in memory or registers which may be associated with other similarly stored data) which may eventually be sent to a printer, screen or elsewhere. In Diehr the file (possibly 1 bit in size) was sent to a switch stopped the curing process which actually produced something - note that if the mold on the machine changed that did not mean another patent could be taken out on the machine. Just like the 2 identical cafetieres are taking water and either tea leaves or ground coffee as input then outputting flavoured water. The actions performed by the computers is the same. They are equivalent. This should mean that they read upon the claims of the hardware.

The two machines you describe would probably be the same, but would probably not infringe on Apple's patent. The doctrine of equivalents has to read on the claims. The claims will probably state something about a two dimensional image. Bingo -- your 8x1 device would not infringe.
I'm not happy with your answer since you don't seem to direct it at the scenario I gave but perhaps that's my fault for not being more specific. The bounce action was chosen because the USPTO seemed to think it was patentable. Any action you can think of with a strip of 8 LEDs could have been chosen. I was asking you to compare the WDR computer + LEDs with the Samsung Android phone + LEDs. Basically the WDR and the Samsung are sending the same signal to the LED strip to light the lights in the same order and timing. IANAL so it's not going to be like a real patent but it should be close enough and its not complete - claim 5 onwards doesn't really matter and would just go on to describe the bounce effect.

  • Claim 1 - a structure comprising; a LED strip with 8 LED lights in a row, an integrated chip forming an interface to the LED strip, a machine capable of performing computations connected to the LED interface
  • Claim 2 - the computing machine sends signals to the LED interface to light the first 3 bulbs
  • Claim 3 - the computing machine sends signals to the LED interface to simultaneously turn off bulb 1 and light bulb 4, then after a preset time period turn off bulb 2 and light bulb 5 so moving the lights down the strip.
  • Claim 4 - the computing machine sends signals to the LED interface to simultaneously turn off bulb 2 and light bulb 5, then after a preset time period turn off bulb 2 and light bulb 5 so moving the lights further down the strip.
  • Claim 5 - on lighting bulbs 6, 7 and 8, blah blah blah.

    Both machines run their software and create the same resulting "bounce". This "bounce" is supposedly patentable so, to repeat my question, are both machines the same because of the doctrine of equivalents? They are making the LEDs do the same thing. They follow my patent. So they are the same machine? The doctrine of equivalents has its place but do you see how stupid the result is when applying it to this sort of situation? 2 entirely different machines when hooked up to the same peripheral have been made to make the peripheral do the same thing. This is a problem which neither the Courts nor the USPTO seem able to understand. So what if the doctrine of equivalents reads on the claims? The claims claim a computing device without specifying the computing device. This means that all computing devices are equivalent from Intel's 4004 to an IBM Blue Gene irrespective of whether it the software has been coded in actual 0's and 1's, in assembler or python, etc.

    There is no single problem with software patents. There are many. I'm not sure your definition of objective coincides with mine so I can't agree that your arguments against software patents can be done objectively. I take software = mathematics as a fact therefore I think that argument can be made objectively. I know you disagree, but hey, life wouldn't be fun if we all thought the same.

    Btw, PolR wasn't patenting a book.

    j

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