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ALso misses the point
Authored by: PolR on Tuesday, January 01 2013 @ 04:06 PM EST
Yes the issue is more complex, but there are places where I don't agree with your analysis.
1) If the patent is disallowed solely because the computer is involved, then you have a result where purpose-built hardware could be patented, yet repurposing a generic computer to achieve the same task could not be. This would discourage reuse and hardly be in the spirit of advancing the useful arts.
This is conflating the algorithm with the device with computes it. It is like conflating a novel with a stack of paper covered with ink.

I am perfectly fine with patenting a new a nonobvious circuit for carry out the calculation as long a the circuit is patented. The algorithm is not the circuit and people should be free to do the calculation through different means. Also programming a computer doesn't make a new machine. This is a legal fiction.

2) If the patentable invention doesn't include the software calculations, and merely recites "and a computer to control the shuttle" then you have the case where I can patent a computer controlling a space shuttle, and anybody who installs a computer in a space shuttle is infringing. This is absurd on its surface, yet many current computer patents are thusly absurd.

3) If the patentable invention _does_ include the calculations, then those specific calculations are part of the invention, and possibly cannot be used in any similar invention.

Points 2 and 3 make sense to me.
Occam's Razor would seem to indicate that (3) is the right answer, so no, you don't actually have an invention "outside of the calculations" especially since equivalent calculations would be required even without a computer.
This conclusion doesn't follow from point 3. The calculations are part of the inventions. They are not the whole invention. The calculations taken in isolation are the the invention. In the rubber curing example, you still have to cure the rubber. In the space shuttle example you still have to fly it.
Addition of two known numbers is normally considered applied math, not abstract math, regardless of the size of the numbers
This is wrong. Besides the patents in Benson and Flook were patents on mathematical algorithms where the calculation is actually carried out. So you can have abstract math in the Surpreme Court sense when actual calculations are done.

As a general note, my discussion on the real-life limitations is to clarify what is a mathematical algorithm in the sense mathematicians give to the word. This knowledge helps knowing when a claim is written to a mathematical algorithm as opposed to an application of the algorithms.

The difference between an abstract idea and the application of an idea is precisely the topic of the debate. The insistence that actually carrying out the application is the application of mathematics is one of the errors that leads to so many silly software patents.

It's easy to see the slippery slope; as I mentioned before, if you can patent the physical effects of the software in the entire system, then in many cases, you effectively have a patent on the software. So, I'm sure the reasoning goes, why not short-circuit the process and just allow patents on the software directly?
This is because it takes more than some physical effects to have an application of mathematics. Actually carrying out the calculation involves a physical effect but this is not sufficient to have an application of mathematics. We need to take into consideration that mathematics is a language. We need to distinguish a manipulation of the language from an application of the language.

To illustrate this point, we may write a parody of the "programming a new computer makes a new machine" using a printing press. A printing press configured to print a book is a different printing press than one without such a configuration. One can lay out ink on paper to make a book while the other cannot. A book with ink laid out in different manner are physically different books. And printing presses configured to print different books perform different functions, they make different articles of manufacture.

The printing process is useful, it makes a physical article of manufacture. A novel is the list of letters that specifies how the ink must be laid out. A patentee is free to describe his invention that way he chooses. He may use the text of a novel to do so.

I guess you get the point. In this example the invention is the novel. It is not a book, a printing press or a printing process. But we may play with words and use the fact we need a physical support to record the novel to try to claim it.

The problem is the Federal Circuit has not recognized the role of the semantics of symbols (bits) in software. One need to recognizes the role of semantics to be able to draw a meaningful line.

Back to the shuttle example, the engineers have invented something other than a programmed computer. There is a shuttle flying. But if the act of computing itself is considered a patentable physical effect than how is that different from patenting a novel in the manner I have described? I know the law makes a difference, but my question is why? This seems an arbitrary decision to me.

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