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| Authored by: FreeChief on Saturday, December 22 2012 @ 12:30 AM EST |
| By "a trusted individual with a gun" do you mean one who chooses "Kilz" for a
handle?
Also you are so wrong on the facts that I suspect you of being a
spam bot; unless by "latest case" you mean one that happened in the last week,
because the shooting everyone is talking about was not done with a
handgun.
— Programmer in Chief
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, December 22 2012 @ 12:42 AM EST |
Your assertion than handguns were used at Sandy Hook is contradicted by every
report I have seen about this. For example this story:
Two handguns and a rifle were
recovered at the scene of the massacre, but reports have indicated that Lanza
used the .223 semi-automatic rifle to shoot most, if not all, of his victims,
including his mother, Nancy Lanza, to whom the gun was apparently
registered.
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Authorities have not yet said publicly what model of
rifle Lanza used in the massacre. Media outlets, however, have identified it as
a Bushmaster .223 caliber M4 carbine., a more recent variant of the
AR-15.
I don't know what the answer is but schools are already
much more locked down than when I was school when anybody could freely enter
through any of multiple unlocked doors anytime school was in session. And
unlike the kids at Sandy Hook, we had no idea what a "lockdown" was. I would
hate to see kids conditioned to the continual presence of armded guards as if
the U.S. was not already moving toward a police state with the coninual
escalation in surviellance. I best stop before I run afoul of Groklaw's
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, December 22 2012 @ 12:55 PM EST |
Do you remember the Attica prison riot? 10 hostages were killed by friendly
fire. Zero hostages were killed by prisoners. There are simply not enough
people that can be trained to do the right thing with a gun in a panic
situation.
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Bondfire "billions of tax money to arm teachers, nothing for mental health
care"
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, December 22 2012 @ 05:29 PM EST |
In 1996 at Port Arthur in Tasmania Australia, Martin Bryant killed 35 people and
injured 21 others. While such tragedies were not as frequent in Australia, they
did happen from time to time.
The then Prime Minister, John Howard, introduced a nationwide ban on semi-
automatic rifles including a buyback scheme in response to the Port Arthur
massacre, accompanied by the usual bleating from the various gun lobby
groups that it wouldn't work, it will leave criminals as the only ones with
guns,
blah, blah, blah...
Since Port Arthur, there has not been a single tragedy of this nature. John
Howard was and still is a controversial figure with some who applaud his other
policies and some who despise them (for the record, I am in this camp). This
decision is one that has brought his supporters and detractors together.
Sure, the criminals do get guns. We still have the odd war between crime gangs
that lead to a few murders and the occasional TV series, but no large scale
massacres such as what the US endured recently.
The bottom line is that bans do work. We've done it and it has worked. Does the
US have the intestinal fortitude to stand up to these NRA loonies and do what
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| Authored by: cjk fossman on Saturday, December 22 2012 @ 10:46 PM EST |
And a motorcycle cop not far away who quickly responded.
Fifteen dead, twenty-three wounded.
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| Authored by: Charles888 on Sunday, December 23 2012 @ 09:55 AM EST |
Kilz,
For me too, the idea of having
somebody with a gun able to shoot
him made sense to me for a long
time. But any way we look at data,
this supposition does not hold.
The US gun fatalities are an order
if magnitude higher than countries
with equivalent socio-economic
profile. Even in the US, people who
own guns legally have 3 times
chances of dying in gun violence, 5
times higher chances of committing
suicide with a gun, and a 1000 more
chance of having somebody in their
household being shot accidentally,
than actually using the gun to
protect themselves.
Even if we are to look at the
example of Australia, where they had
something like 18 mass shootings in
18 years, until they banned guns.
None in the ~ 18 years since.
Looking at all that, it is clear
what governments should be from A
public policy perspective.[ Reply to This | Parent | # ]
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| Authored by: JamesK on Sunday, December 23 2012 @ 11:37 AM EST |
Does it not occur to the NRA that the problem might be the proliferation of so
many guns? Didn't it occur to them that Newtown wouldn't have happened if
Lanza's mother didn't have those guns? Even if there was an armed guard, are
they supposed to cover the entire school? How many kids would have been killed
waiting for that guard to reach the problem? What about a gun fight, with all
those kids around? Ever hear of a stray shot? The NRA has clearly proven
they're out of touch with reality.
BTW, about 75% of the guns used in crime in Canada come from the U.S., so the
American gun culture is contributing to crime here.
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