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Technology meets the minds of those who do not understand again?
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, December 17 2012 @ 01:34 PM EST

The out-of-the-box phone I got had it's software update capabilities on by default. I explicitly disabled that.

If the out-of-the-box phone that they agreed to use had that enabled and the Lawyers all agreed not to change a single setting on it - then it is quite conceivable that some software update automatically occurred and changed things.

What are the odds that they asked a technical expert to review the software settings and change the specific setting(s) that were needed to ensure the phone was frozen in it's existing state?

I'm thinking: probably slim to none!

Especially given the discussion was surrounding what evidence to show in the Court room. Why would you need any technical expert to help decide that?

Given the above - and it would have to be confirmed: I think the obvious (to me) answer about the differences is quite clear and, if correct, no one should be in trouble in any way.

As it is - it seems to me the Judge is thinking:

    someone is messing with my Court
Apple is thinking
    Samsung is deliberately messing with the evidence
And Samsung is thinking
    Apple is deliberately messing with the evidence
And the reality could very well be:
    It's none of those - just a simple case of forensics not doing their proper job and freezing the evidence so it doesn't change.

RAS

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Authored by: rsteinmetz70112 on Monday, December 17 2012 @ 04:15 PM EST
This dispute seems to have been something that came up before and apparently the
Magistrate ruled against Samsung. The Judge took this as an attempted end around
that ruling.

I found the whole exchange confusing. It is perfectly obvious that there would
be different behaviors for many different versions of the same hardware
depending on the precise version of the software.

The SKU for the different versions of software on the phone probably did not
change. Date of manufacture may not even be a reliable indicator if the phones
were made in different factories.

I also didn't get why the source code was necessary, shouldn't the functionality
of some of these things (like the bounce) be visible from the interface?

Sometimes I get over the air updates to my phone which change how things work
and I'm not aware of them until I see the changes.

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Rsteinmetz - IANAL therefore my opinions are illegal.

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Randy Newman - The Title Theme from Monk

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