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The "honest" lawyers aren't really fixing anything as they would have you believe | 343 comments | Create New Account
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The PROBLEM with compromise
Authored by: Wol on Wednesday, December 12 2012 @ 06:47 AM EST
Is that if you agree to say that black is white, it solves nothing.

Let's agree to compromise. We say "we'll allow software patents if you
agree maths is not patentable". Sounds perfectly reasonable, doesn't it?

Until you actually look at reality, and discover that you've just agreed to
something that is meaningless. And when the courts face reality in trying to
implement the compromise, they're going to be in exactly the same mess they're
in now.

The only POSSIBLE solution is for either (a) the politicians to change the law
and say "maths is patentable", or for the courts to recognise that
software is maths and accept that software is not patentable.

NO COMPROMISE IS POSSIBLE. As Dick Feynmann said, YOU CAN'T FOOL REALITY.

Cheers,
Wol

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The "honest" lawyers aren't really fixing anything as they would have you believe
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, December 12 2012 @ 09:59 AM EST

To give an example in the form of Mr. Quinn:

    He likes to say math is patentable - because he can reword something so it's not so obvious to those who get lost in the complexities of language and "technical" things that it's still math
    He likes to speak of the application of rejecting patents via obviousness - but then he's willing to obfuscate what the actual invention is so it's no longer obvious while at the same time claiming nothing is obvious - "everything is obvious in hindsight, so it must not have been obvious", "if it was obvious, why was no one doing it before?"
I've seen this in discussions he's been part of where he'll push the extra length immediately even as someone simply tries to understand his current perspective. He seems to give a micro-meter now.... but later he'll offer up other arguments that not only takes away that micro-meter, it'll fight for even more for the IP protectionism.

There is no compromise in such a situation. The end result will be that - as he is aiming for - everything is patentable including math.

As a side-note, I'm part of group 1, but not part of that group. I strongly believe software should not be patentable. But not because it's math (it is math, but that's not my core reason).

I believe part of the concept of patent exhaustion (if it's not legally part of it already) is that patents can not apply to the exact use of an object.

You purchase a calculator. The use of that object is to push the buttons forming math formulas as entry into the object. As a result - you can not patent any process fitting the form "push the buttons in pattern XyZ and read the result" as applied to the calculator. At least, Patent Law should clearly state that concept if it does not. The pen is patentable (in it's time) but using it to author symbols that become language for your biography or short story or whatever should be precluded by patent exhaustion.

The more advanced the calculator, the more knowledge someone needs to have in order to use said calculator - but that doesn't change the fact it's still a calculator.

That includes advanced programmable calculators which have basic logic structures you can use so instead of having a single formula for calculating simple interest, you can plug in all formulas so any 3 of the 4 values will give you the fourth.

A computer that software is applied to is nothing more then an advanced programmable calculator on mega steroids.

To apply software to a computer is exactly the same as applying a formula to a calculator. For the same reason that you are using something for exactly what it was built for and nothing more. Patent exhaustion should automatically apply - software is the basic use of the patented invention (the computer) and is therefore not patentable subject matter.

Could it be part of a bigger process where that bigger process as a whole could be patentable? Sure - someone creates a robot that includes a computer for controls - yea, the robot as a whole can be patentable. But not the software that controls the robot!

My point to this is:

    There is more then one solid, sound reason that software should not be patentable!
It's an OR discussion at that point for us. Any one reason should be sufficient to the Law Makers and Law Enforcers and we get a clear statement that software is not patentable.

Meanwhile - the opposing side has to argue against all of those reasons so none of them are valid in order to win.

We stop pointing out all these reasons software should not be patentable - and they win!

RAS

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