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"no safe level of exposure to second hand smoke" is stupid | 217 comments | Create New Account
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Judge orders tobacco companies to say they lied
Authored by: Gringo_ on Wednesday, November 28 2012 @ 11:20 AM EST

Kessler ruled in that case in 2006 that the nation's largest cigarette makers concealed the dangers of smoking for decades.

They didn't do a very good job of concealing the dangers of smoking, when every fool and his dog knew intuitively that smoking is deleterious to your health.

Making tobacco companies responsible for people's own foolish behaviour takes the responsibility off the shoulders of the individual. It is like labeling alcoholism "a disease".

"Oh - I picked up this disease from somewhere, and it is making a mess of my life. Too bad it is something I have no control over. After all, it is a disease. Drinking is not something I choose to do voluntarily."

I view this campaign waged against tobacco companies as similar to the being "politically correct".

btw: I don't mean to belittle the struggle many wage against alcoholism, or suggest they are somehow undeserving of our sympathy. Life is a struggle for many, for an infinite range of difficulties. Their's is a hard lot to bear, but in the end, there is no cure but to quit drinking, however difficult that may be for them.

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Fascinating Implications
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, November 28 2012 @ 05:34 PM EST

Effectively they appear to have two choices on appeal:

1) Admit that they lied, and argue that the punishment is too severe
2) Admit that they are incompetent fools, and that they didn't understand
what they re saying

Curiously many of the Tabacco defenders are also Global Warming
deniers, and Taxation Libertarians, so this could have impacts far beyond
Tobacco.

Wayne
http://madhatter.ca

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"no safe level of exposure to second hand smoke" is stupid
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, November 28 2012 @ 05:48 PM EST
This means that someone lighting up in California is harming someone in Florida,
because after all, no level, no matter if it's unmeasurably diluted is safe.

Every breath you take contains atoms that have passed by every conceivable type
of pollution, sometime in their history.

This is just as stupid as any other 'zero tolerance' policy.

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