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A working link
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, November 27 2012 @ 12:58 PM EST
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/141540-windows-8s-premature-death-courtesy-
of-crapware-and-its-all-our-fault

/IMANAL

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I wonder who he views as we....
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, November 27 2012 @ 01:05 PM EST

I don't view it as my fault that Windows is bloat-ware loaded down with tons of software I don't want! I got off that train over a decade ago.

I would like to view it as my fault though if Windows goes out of business due to more and more people (of which I am just one) moving away from them :)

RAS

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Preparation for MS' increasing costs?
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, November 27 2012 @ 01:16 PM EST

There's so much of MS history he overlooks as a factor in the picture that I wonder if this isn't a paid article preparing consumers for an increase in MS prices.

For example, he talks of bloatware, but ignores Win8 (and nothing else) on a phone consumes an insane amount of disk space.

He talks about the pressures consumers had for cheap PCs but ignores MS' early deals with OEM's where the OEM's had to pay MS for a license even if a computer was sold without MS installed.... conveniently forgetting MS' own pressures causing OEM's to acquire income from other sources.

Granted: he does have some negative things to say about MS:

If you look at the big picture, though, its impossible to not laugh at the irony of Microsoft selling Windows licenses to OEMs, and then collecting $100 from you to remove the junk.
... or at least, some things that could be negative depending on your point of view.

But I do wonder if we should expect a markup in the cost of MS devices while MS blames consumers for the extra cost.

RAS

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Guy has no credibility
Authored by: cjk fossman on Tuesday, November 27 2012 @ 01:17 PM EST

He wrote this:

Even though Windows 7, in its base state, is faster and more stable than OS X ...

Who does he think he's kidding?

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The reason Windows 8 is about to die - Metro UI
Authored by: Gringo_ on Tuesday, November 27 2012 @ 04:34 PM EST

From the Fine Article...

The even bigger picture, though, is that Microsoft is trying to lead by example with its own Surface tablets, which like Apple devices are completely devoid of cruft.

Hardly free of cruft, when MS apps present ads!

This article is nonsense. I doubt very much Microsoft ever cared what the OEMs loaded on the PCs they sold, as long as they got their license fees. If loading the systems with junk software helped the OEM subsidize the cost of the license, so be it. Microsoft always took the position that they had a captive market who would put up with anything, including a bloated OS to begin with. Now that they are trying to compete in new markets directly, it is a different story. They want to distinguish themselves from the competition - the very same OEMs selling WIndows systems with bloatware, as part of their strategy to take over the entire market for themselves.

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More Data Points
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, November 27 2012 @ 05:09 PM EST
Interesting graphic shows that the PC started its downwards slide when the iPhone started selling, and accelerated down at Android introduction semiaccurate.com

No more socket PC cpus from Intel (warning Google translate, Japanese readers can find the url at top of page) pcwatch.co.jp

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